great stuff. looks like i'm on the side of enjoying the mustafar scene.

If that entire scenario/dialogue remains in the final edit, I'll eat my hat.

I couldn't imagine a saber being thrust into someone's chest, doesn't sound like GL at ALL. Saber-damage is NEVER that graphically-violent in ANY of the films.

This aside, I LOVE that line that Vaderkin says...Awesome...but it won't be in the film.

What about Qui-Gon? I imagine it will be similar to the way he was killed on screen.

Isn't that what happened to Qui Gon?

RUNE HAAKO
Stop! Enough! We surrender, do you understand? You can't just kill us!

VADER
Can't I?

RUNE HAAKO
We're unarmed! We surrender! Please, please, you're a Jedi!

VADER
You fought a war to destroy the Jedi.

VADER slashes RUNE HAAKO.

VADER (cont.)
Congratulations on your success.

Awesome stuff, thanks Tern

The sarcastic Vader lines are awesome.

Can't wait to hear the delivery.

Oh man, as awesome as this little exchange is, you can't leave us all hanging on the 2nd duel report Ternian :P

Maul had quite a few lines in the novel, and... 3 or 4 in the film

I guess you don´t remember Qui-Gon´s death, then?

Hehe. These lines are cool. Very Vader-ish as others have already mentioned. Will be cool to see how Hayden plays these scenes in the film.

If you look at the trailer. when Anakin is slicing up the Seperatists, you can see the gashes on their bodies.

I wonder if Lucas will alter the sail barge scene in an archival edition of ROTJ and add glowing wounds to Jabba's henchmen when Luke slices em up.

Or Maul in TPM? Or the guy in the cantina in ANH? Or Anakin's hand in AOTC, or Luke's hand in ESB, or Vader's hand in ROTJ?

Or the decapitated Tuskens and Geonosians who get sliced clean in half in AOTC?

There are graffic saber deaths and injuries all thru these movies. Always have been.

I'm classing that as different (and the other scenario's posted), because Maul (and the others) was an alien character - hence it's classed by the film board as "fantasy" violence. Vader wears a mask, stormtroopers also are "faceless" which is how GL gets around the whole classification stuff. By not showing Human/Human graphic violence. The closest he got was the Emporer/Luke stuff in ROTJ but that was all "fantasy" lightning.

You gotta remember, back in the 70's/80's film classification was ALOT less forgiving than what it is today. LOTR got away with ALOT of stuff that the SW would never have.

What is it, Biggs, that makes you class Qui-Gon's death scene as 'different?' I fail to see what the difference is between showing a saber thrust into Qui-Gon's chest and Anakin thrusting his blade into the bodies of alien seperatist leaders. Please explain...

Qui-Gon is an alien?

Actually, when you think about it, all Star Wars characters are "aliens."

That was more or less my point, though. Which is that Biggs was saying that Anakin thrusting his saber into San Hill's torso would seem un-SW or whatever. But we've seen Qui-Gon basically skewered by Darth Maul, which is more or less what's described as somthing Anakin does to San Hill in Tern's spoiler. I just don't see how that can be thought of as being too violent for SW, as San Hill is alien and Qui-Gon is human... if you apply the theory stated by Fatboy Roberts, then TPM is actually MORE violent than ROTS.

Lol.

So what I was asking is, why did Biggs, when presented with Qui-Gon's death as a possible example of a contender for an equally violent scene, say he wanted to class that as 'different' (bearing in mind he actually thought San Hill was human when he stated this).



We have this in TPM when Maul stabs Mr Jinn; violence towards humans with red blood. So in theory that should be classed as 'more violent' than Vader's violence towards aliens with green blood etc.

Not that it matters anyway, becuase we now know that there's human to human violence in the film when Kenobi slices off Anakin's limbs. So I guess there's another un-SW thing for Biggs to worry about.

I'm not 100% clued up on US ratings as I live in the UK. But I'm guessing that a PG-13 over on your side of the pond would equate to a 12A (anyone under 12 can watch as long as they are accompanied by an adult/anyone over 12 can watch alone) over here.

The big difference is that Star Wars violence is fantasy violence. It's not often you find yourself duelling to the death in a a) Cloud City b) Power reactor in the bowels of a beautiful palace c) A moon sized armoured space station or d) A secret bunker hidden on a planet with a highly volcanic landscape. Throw in the 'supernatural powers', exotic weapons which current technology cannot hope to replicate and of course a lack of gore (no over the top blood letting) and you give the audience several clues that this is as far removed from reality as you can get. Now sure Kill Bill has some pretty unlikely fight venues but the weapons are all too real and the blood is spilled by the gallon. Same goes for Blade and most other adult rated fantasy violence. I suppose they use (sparingly, mind) common sense to calculate the difference. Now if only they were capable of using that on all films.

P.S Did you know that here in the UK the BBFC ordered the headbutt cut from the Obi-Wan vs Jango scene in order for it to avoid a 12 rating?

In a word: Context.

If Anakin has just mauled a whole lot of other "characters" on screen (as we're informed is most likely) then that action of saber-slash-into-the-chest in MY opinion is more graphically violent...than say, a simple slash etc.

...but then, if it IS going to be PG-13 then this whole discussion is moot.

I just don't think it will be, nor do I think that scenario as described by Tern will be in the final edit. I think the "damage" as described that is Obi-Wan taking apart Anakins limbs will be either VERY quick, or implied...and you won't see anything too graphic.

These are kids films after all people....you're not gonna see full-blown shots of "Stumpykin" hanging off a ledge with but-only a mechanical hand holding on...

I agree with you Biggs... the Qui Gon stab wasn't really that graphic, but I think this will be different...

this guy is unarmed for starters..

But yeah, its gonna be PG-13, so end of discussion IMO...

Don't we see Rune Haako get it in the trailer? (around 2:25 on my copy)

If that's him, he takes a slash across the chest, not a stab ala Qui-Gon.

...if it really matters.

I kinda hope the killing of the Separatist leaders doesn't just resort to quip-kill-quip-kill-quip-kill-quip-kill-quip-kill. That might come off as silly and overdrawn.

i think there will be only a couple quips. from the footage we've seen he makes a quick sweep around the room.

Next up:

WAT TAMBOR
Please, I'll give you anything. Anything you want!

VADER slashes off the arms of WAT TAMBOR, followed by his head.

VADER
Thank you.

Wow this guy is evil...
Thanks Ternian

We need Poggle and Passel, T.

Hehehe
Does Wat Tambor explode?

Nice, Anakin really does turn into a cold-blooded bastard doesn't he.

Excellent... I'm really starting to like this vibe of classic Vader style dialogue in the seperatist slaughter scene. It really makes you believe that he has truly abandoned his former self and embraced his new identity as Darth Vader. Spine tingling stuff. Thanks Tern'.

Just dreaming that he says 'All too easy,' when he takes out Nute Gunray.

Who or what the fuck is "Wat Tamor??"

He's the guy who runs the Techno Union.

http://starwars.com/databank/character/ ... index.html

Chairman of the Techno Union. Uses rollerskates. He was in AOTC as well. Is a cyborg, and has trouble keeping his voice-modulator working properly.

*To Dooku*: "With these new battle droids we´ve built for you, you´ll have the finest army in the galaxy."

Ah yes. Thanks.

He's the one who sounds like Ben Burtt with a headcold...

Do we think that any of this Anakin dialogue is in the actual film? I was under the impression that Anakin enters the Mustafar facility, does the room without speaking a word, and then gets ready to leave. I'm sure for poetic justice he says something to Nute for trying to kill Padme so many times, but other than that I thought that Anakin's dialogue is just part of the novel, not the film. Thoughts?

In the trailer Anakin is seen standing on a balcony looking out at Mustafar, I presume this takes place after the massacre but could be before I guess.

I always assumed he entered much the same way as Luke entering Jabbas palace in ROTJ, maybe putting the choke on a few guards in the process.

I always thought Vader was waiting for Palpatine to come after the slaughter of the separatists.Palps gets there not soon after. After the trailer I thought thats what Vader was doing,just waiting for Palps,until he sees Padmes ship land.

According the OS, in the shots where Vader is looking out from the balcony, he is apparently in a reflective mood, weighing up the problems of the galaxy and pondering what he can do to fix them.

The Vader Dialogue is very cool. There hasnt been anything like it in the PT so far.

is the shot where ob1 gives grevious a whoomping and when he turns back round he is severely pissed and his mask is cracked in half revealing part of his face/brain ala general kael,is that still in the movie/novelisation/any version!
always thought that would be a great shot especially if folowed by ob1's " not good"

Actually you have a good point.

He should explode, right? He's supposedly combustible underneath his armor.

This cyborg huckleberry may have escaped Boba Fett, but he's killed by Vader. BF must have started very early.