MF Board Notes • UPDATED • The Death Of Wat Tambor

Moff_Diver · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:18 pm Post subject:

great stuff. looks like i'm on the side of enjoying the mustafar scene.

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Ternian · Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 1:39 am Post subject:

RUNE HAAKO
Stop! Enough! We surrender, do you understand? You can't just kill us!

VADER
Can't I?

RUNE HAAKO
We're unarmed! We surrender! Please, please, you're a Jedi!

VADER
You fought a war to destroy the Jedi.

VADER slashes RUNE HAAKO.

VADER (cont.)
Congratulations on your success.

AchillesLastStand · Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 29 Location: New Jersey

Awesome stuff, thanks Tern

CoGro · Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Posts: 1928 Location: Toronto, Canada

The sarcastic Vader lines are awesome.

Can't wait to hear the delivery.

PTGrievous · Joined: 20 Feb 2004 Posts: 586 Location: Hell

Oh man, as awesome as this little exchange is, you can't leave us all hanging on the 2nd duel report Ternian :P

PTGrievous · Joined: 20 Feb 2004 Posts: 586 Location: Hell

Maul had quite a few lines in the novel, and... 3 or 4 in the film

VT-16 · Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 940 Location: Norway

Tellon · Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 63

Hehe. These lines are cool. Very Vader-ish as others have already mentioned. Will be cool to see how Hayden plays these scenes in the film.

Qui-Gon Kim · Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 43

If you look at the trailer. when Anakin is slicing up the Seperatists, you can see the gashes on their bodies.

I wonder if Lucas will alter the sail barge scene in an archival edition of ROTJ and add glowing wounds to Jabba's henchmen when Luke slices em up.

Bandersnatch · **OBGYN** Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 2849

Biggs · Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 608

Tellon · Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 63

What is it, Biggs, that makes you class Qui-Gon's death scene as 'different?' I fail to see what the difference is between showing a saber thrust into Qui-Gon's chest and Anakin thrusting his blade into the bodies of alien seperatist leaders. Please explain...

Bandersnatch · **OBGYN** Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 2849

Qui-Gon is an alien?

Actually, when you think about it, all Star Wars characters are "aliens."

Tellon · Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 63

That was more or less my point, though. Which is that Biggs was saying that Anakin thrusting his saber into San Hill's torso would seem un-SW or whatever. But we've seen Qui-Gon basically skewered by Darth Maul, which is more or less what's described as somthing Anakin does to San Hill in Tern's spoiler. I just don't see how that can be thought of as being too violent for SW, as San Hill is alien and Qui-Gon is human... if you apply the theory stated by Fatboy Roberts, then TPM is actually MORE violent than ROTS.

Lol.

So what I was asking is, why did Biggs, when presented with Qui-Gon's death as a possible example of a contender for an equally violent scene, say he wanted to class that as 'different' (bearing in mind he actually thought San Hill was human when he stated this).

We have this in TPM when Maul stabs Mr Jinn; violence towards humans with red blood. So in theory that should be classed as 'more violent' than Vader's violence towards aliens with green blood etc.

Not that it matters anyway, becuase we now know that there's human to human violence in the film when Kenobi slices off Anakin's limbs. So I guess there's another un-SW thing for Biggs to worry about.

I'm not 100% clued up on US ratings as I live in the UK. But I'm guessing that a PG-13 over on your side of the pond would equate to a 12A (anyone under 12 can watch as long as they are accompanied by an adult/anyone over 12 can watch alone) over here.

robbie_20002002 · Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 244 Location: Ecosse

The big difference is that Star Wars violence is fantasy violence. It's not often you find yourself duelling to the death in a a) Cloud City b) Power reactor in the bowels of a beautiful palace c) A moon sized armoured space station or d) A secret bunker hidden on a planet with a highly volcanic landscape. Throw in the 'supernatural powers', exotic weapons which current technology cannot hope to replicate and of course a lack of gore (no over the top blood letting) and you give the audience several clues that this is as far removed from reality as you can get. Now sure Kill Bill has some pretty unlikely fight venues but the weapons are all too real and the blood is spilled by the gallon. Same goes for Blade and most other adult rated fantasy violence. I suppose they use (sparingly, mind) common sense to calculate the difference. Now if only they were capable of using that on all films.

P.S Did you know that here in the UK the BBFC ordered the headbutt cut from the Obi-Wan vs Jango scene in order for it to avoid a 12 rating?

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Rogue_Six · Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 73 Location: BFE

Don't we see Rune Haako get it in the trailer? (around 2:25 on my copy)

If that's him, he takes a slash across the chest, not a stab ala Qui-Gon.

...if it really matters.

Nightmare721 · Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 104

I kinda hope the killing of the Separatist leaders doesn't just resort to quip-kill-quip-kill-quip-kill-quip-kill-quip-kill. That might come off as silly and overdrawn.

Moff_Diver · Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:43 am Post subject:

i think there will be only a couple quips. from the footage we've seen he makes a quick sweep around the room.

Ternian · Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:22 am Post subject:

Next up:

WAT TAMBOR
Please, I'll give you anything. Anything you want!

VADER slashes off the arms of WAT TAMBOR, followed by his head.

VADER
Thank you.

MioCid · Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 21

Wow this guy is evil... :heavymetal:

Thanks Ternian

Hade · Joined: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 900

We need Poggle and Passel, T.

PTGrievous · Joined: 20 Feb 2004 Posts: 586 Location: Hell

Hehehe
Does Wat Tambor explode?

Kinobe · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 8 Location: UK

Tellon · Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 63

Excellent... I'm really starting to like this vibe of classic Vader style dialogue in the seperatist slaughter scene. It really makes you believe that he has truly abandoned his former self and embraced his new identity as Darth Vader. Spine tingling stuff. Thanks Tern'.

Just dreaming that he says 'All too easy,' when he takes out Nute Gunray.

Bandersnatch · **OBGYN** Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 2849

Who or what the fuck is "Wat Tamor??"

confuzzled

Hade · Joined: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 900

He's the guy who runs the Techno Union.

http://starwars.com/databank/character/wattambor/index.html

VT-16 · Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 940 Location: Norway

Chairman of the Techno Union. Uses rollerskates. He was in AOTC as well. Is a cyborg, and has trouble keeping his voice-modulator working properly.

*To Dooku*: "With these new battle droids we´ve built for you, you´ll have the finest army in the galaxy."

Bandersnatch · **OBGYN** Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 2849

Ah yes. Thanks.

He's the one who sounds like Ben Burtt with a headcold... Neutral

TiniTinyTony · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 451

Do we think that any of this Anakin dialogue is in the actual film? I was under the impression that Anakin enters the Mustafar facility, does the room without speaking a word, and then gets ready to leave. I'm sure for poetic justice he says something to Nute for trying to kill Padme so many times, but other than that I thought that Anakin's dialogue is just part of the novel, not the film. Thoughts?

Soap · Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 6

In the trailer Anakin is seen standing on a balcony looking out at Mustafar, I presume this takes place after the massacre but could be before I guess.

I always assumed he entered much the same way as Luke entering Jabbas palace in ROTJ, maybe putting the choke on a few guards in the process.

darthvodka · Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 147 Location: United Kingdom

I always thought Vader was waiting for Palpatine to come after the slaughter of the separatists.Palps gets there not soon after. After the trailer I thought thats what Vader was doing,just waiting for Palps,until he sees Padmes ship land.

Tellon · Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 63

According the OS, in the shots where Vader is looking out from the balcony, he is apparently in a reflective mood, weighing up the problems of the galaxy and pondering what he can do to fix them.

Pax Britannia · Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 88 Location: The British Empire

The Vader Dialogue is very cool. There hasnt been anything like it in the PT so far.

pjvader · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:46 am Post subject:

is the shot where ob1 gives grevious a whoomping and when he turns back round he is severely pissed and his mask is cracked in half revealing part of his face/brain ala general kael,is that still in the movie/novelisation/any version!
always thought that would be a great shot especially if folowed by ob1's " not good"

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Probe Droid · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 41 Location: New York

This cyborg huckleberry may have escaped Boba Fett, but he's killed by Vader. BF must have started very early.