It should... As I said before, the parts where the Jedi are gunned down (order 66), the Duel, and the surgery to put on the mask, etc. are powerful (especially the last one) moments in the film.

It's still weird when I think about suited Vader asking about Padme. The only other tiem you hear care in "classic" Vader's voice is when he tells Luke it is too late for him. It's just creepy, but in a cool way...

i like this too. a suited vader showing a new emotion will be interesting.

When anakin has the nightmare of Padme dying, do we see the dream or just hear words of the dream? And how does Anakin mechanical arm looks when he wakes up? is it kinda resemble his mechanical arm in AOTC? Last did you really like the movie I mean whats one thing you didnt really like that you know we all would agree on?

Yup, as I said earlier in the thread, I may be a little nervous about the alleged "nooo" or whatever, but it won't bother me. The idea of this scene is just really really moving, you'd have to be one cold motherfucker not to be a little affected by Vader asking abotu Padme. To say Star Wars has no emotion or soul or heart is just asinine.

Anakin's visions in this movie are what give it a really different feel than AOTC in that regard. You see the visions. It seems like such a departure for Lucas in that regard, much like the way I was jarred during the Clone Assualt scenes on Geonosis when we had the shaky fast zooms. The visions give a different feel to the movie, and make for a larger point.

As far as when Anakin wakes up, he's actually got a vibrator in place of the hand. Clearly, he forgot to change it out before going to bed the night before.

Seriously, it look fine, but perhaps not the same as the AOTC one. I didn't notice that much detail.

Didn't like? I would like to have seen Qui-Gon, and Yoda on Dagobah. I didn't like that those scenes were not in the movie. And I would like to have seen the Windu/Palsp fight be more like the novelization. As far as what's in the movie I didn't care for... not much. Perhaps the R2 slapstick could have gone away.

I think most of the stuff asks was answered by some others here, but to chime in...


Is it 'classic'?

Well, that's up to you. ROTS definately has its share of classic moments. Moments that will be iconic in movie history. If I were to list a few of these moments they would be:

1. I thought the shot of GG coming at Obi-wan with 4 sabers (2 of them spinning) was classic. It's just a 'holy shit' moment that I can see playing with a montage of all the films.

2. When Anakin turns to the dark side we cut to Yoda reacting on Kashyyyk and he drops his stick in shock. The CG acting there is terrific. A very magical moment even though the content is dark.

3. The Emperor/Yoda fight and the final Obi-wan/Anakin duel is shot to produce iconic images. It's just very well put together.

I'm one of the guys who chuckled during the R2 gags. The whole opening sequence felt very ANH to me. I really enjoyed it. It was important for the first quarter of the film to be swashbuckling and light hearted so that the journey to come packs more of a punch.

It was mentioned in earlier threads about some choppy cg. Did you guys notice this? I think the scene was of helmetless clone troopers. Also is the video from the video game and the movie different? There was speculation but I don't think anyone has confirmed it.

Does Mon Mothma have any lines?

Do we get to see crazy Yoda with mud all over him on Kashyyyk?

the clonetroopers faces in the fighters looked a little odd, but I thought it was pretty good. Obi on his lizard pet (Boga?) looked great/smooth compared to AOTC when Anakin was on the bull/rhino thing (Reek?).

No crazy Yoda. I think that's been out for a while.

Mon Mothma's got nothing.

Also, the video game footage, from what I remember, is edited in a way not to spoil 'too' much. Most sequences are expanded in the film.

odd CG...

I would've liked for them to use more of the practical Artoo. The CG model can be distracting because it speaks CG. I think this had to do more with them changing performances in the editing room which required a CG model than Lucas shooting the shot without the practical model from the start. Some of CG Artoo looks alright, though.

Most trooper CGI is very impressive, especially cause you KNOW it's CG. There's a few shots that look 'off' but for the most part it's done well. The 'bad' shots are in the clone organization center on Coruscant before Obi-wan leaves to Utapau and on the bridge of a cruiser. Everything on Utapau looked great to me.

I know some people are complaining about CG stuntwork during the duel, but it's not distracting. Jedi can do crazy jumps and flips, get over it. Of course it's unrealistic - Jedi are not real.

Other than that, I was most surprised at how well Boga worked. I was setting myself up for a disaster before I saw that. It was very well done.

Okay last question from me today- what was the fates of Shaak Ti and Kit Fisto? I know Kit Fisto dies in the Palpatine fight but are we lucky enough to see his head get lobbed off? As for Shaak Ti, I remember seeing a picture of her meditating.

Shaak Ti doesn't die in screen

Kit is not decapitated.

na, didn't bother me.

I honestly can't remember, but I think it was Vader. He said something like, "You will try." then unloaded on him.

That's not the problem, the problem is that it LOOKS bad. Doesn't have to be real, just has to look real, and it is a problem easily fixed with better animation. It's a personal gripe, but what do you want, I do visual effects for a living. And my own CG R2 looks way better than that horrific piece of shit up on screen for RotS. We all have our gripes, don't we...

CG R2 in the film is shotty in places, I pointed that out. I really didn't see any bad doubles in the duel, and I have a pretty good eye when it comes to that. The jumps look fine, There's maybe one shot of them climbing up a platform which is falling in the lava that looks a bit off, but other than that it's pretty damn good.

Having not seen the film, the shot of Obi leaping out of his ship, the Obi-getting-force-thrown-by-Dooku, and none of the cg R2 stuff I've seen would pass muster at my shop, and that's just stuff from the trailer. But of course, my shop can't produce 2000 shots in 9 months, either.


But boy can you see the Yoda team working overtime to beat Gollum.

As you'd know then, animators at ILM all have different skill levels. There isn't much time to keep refining shots until they are perfect, especially since each animator has their own list of shots. I think what happened in this film is that they gave the guys who were responsible for the best Yoda work in II, all of Yoda in III. He's much more consistent in this film than the last.

You're absolutely right, in fact... the Yoda team was hell-bent on getting it right. And there are a lot of great animators up there, under ridiculous schedules. I couldn't have done any better given the time and direction. The problem is, you don't get to put a disclaimer up on the screen saying, "This Would've Looked Better With More Time". As we say in the industry, Pain is Temporary, Film is Forever. I think it's cool to be forgiving. I just think it's cooler not to have to be in the first place.

Definately.

Entire sequences in the film look spot on and people might say 'wow that was amazing', but the one or two shots that aren't as good is what will linger in people's minds.

I thought the obi wan jumping out of his ship looked fine actually pretty cool. maybe cuz im use to the cgi effects now. When i saw the second blade film with them fighting in front of the lights...i thought that cgi looked funny.

Another questiong though, During the last 2 fights, did anakin mostly owned obi wan or were they pretty much equal? And did palpatine owned yoda during the fight as well as the clips made it out to be? or was that pretty much even? Thanks!

Anakin is on the offensive for basically the entire duel. Obi-wan is retreating. He knows Anakin is more powerful, but does what he can to survive.

The other duel is more back and forth. It really gets you cheering for Yoda, and it looks as if he's going to win a few times, but Palps keeps coming back. You get the impression Yoda retreats to save his own life to ensure that the Jedi aren't fucked in the future, almost a precaution (what if I DO lose, because this win isn't going to come easy).

you fucking bastard, cogro. YOU TOTALLY COPIED AND PASTED THAT REVIEW FROM ME!!

as if it wasnt enough that you stole my avatar, you've got to go ahead and steal my work. jesus. canadians, eh? they think they own the fucking world

You stole my avatar, Colin. Lets call it even.

Does Bail have any interesting traits of character or is he just a plain good guy that is capable to use a blaster when it really matters, but there is not much more to say about him?

He's just there. Very idealistic, but I guess that was the point.

{edited by jesus}

ok, i take it back. that never happened.

(and no i do not have a gun to my head right now)

Y'know for a whole bunch of kids this movie is going to be really fucking dark. Much darker than it will be for me who at 25, has seen the OT countless times and can make sense of Anakin's path. There was a kid in my shop today, with his mother and he can't have been much older than 5 or 6. She was telling me that he's Star Wars crazy and when watching the films he cries out 'Get him Anakin, get him!'. And it struck me that for a generation of kids, Anakin Skywalker is their hero, not Luke (who was mine) or Han. For a kid that young, who's going in unspoiled and hasn't necessarily seen enough of the OT to know that Darth Vader = Anakin Skywalker this movie will leave them really confused and upset. Why did he do it? Why did he have to go bad? I actually felt sorry for the kid that he was going to see the guy he idolises completely fall from grace. And at an age where fantasy and reality are often easily intertwined that's gonna be one massive fucking humdinger.

I can see were your coming from and that actually makes me feel sorry for him to. but later on while watching the OT he will understand it much better when he sees the hero he once love return in ROTJ and prob be happy.

Perhaps his parents should've shown him the OT first, then he would've known to dismiss the PT as mere shadows of their formers. Works for me. But as it is, remember that Vader becomes a goodie again way at the end, so I'm sure there'll be no long-term psychological damage. Perhaps he'll grow up learning that redemption for most any crime can be earned through true penance.... wait!

Holy shit! Star Wars is the new religion! Darth Vader dies for our sins.

Discuss.

a la Matrix...but that sucked

No shit. I threw away my bible along time ago when I realized Star Wars gave me the same morals without having to read a single word, save for some subtitles of alien languages.

Yeah Robbie I totally agree man. My buddies little son is like 6 and we always have lightsaber fights and he always wants to be Anakin and im the bad ole' Sith. Anakin is his fave char by far. I truly wonder what will go through his head when he sees Anakin slicing and dicing and killing his wife. Its gonna be a bigger emotional shock than when Vader declared he's Luke father.

I really feel sorry for all these kids and the distraught they will go through by seeing their hero become evil before their very eyes.

Exactly. These kids won't see the flaws we see in the PT - they aren't old enough to see any weakness in the love story and they actually like Jar Jar. They love these characters as much as we did in the OT. Not all of them are going to see this coming and will take a lot longer to make sense of it. Hell the cave scene in Empire freaked me out for years........

I saw the PT before the OT. I don't think Jar Jar sucks, so I guess you're right.

IMO these parents should have shown their kids the OT before ep1, if not at least before 3. That's just crazy. Poor kids, too bad that their parents don't know any better.

CoGro
One more Q, sorry if its been asked.

Can you jst confirm/deny the cutscene list someone posted (from the making of book I believe). And is the scene btwn Obi and Padme talking earlier in the film (I think about how OBi knows about the two or something) in the movie or not?


Thanks, sorry if this has been covered...

Gone.

When Obi-wan asks Padme where Anakin is, the scene ends with Obi-wan stating "The baby is his, isn't it."

So I guess that earlier scene was redundant.

Gotcha, thanks. I would've liked to see Padme and Obi share a lil more screentime together to give her death more meaning(since its Obi who is there), but as we know, Lucas and Burtt are heartless when it comes to Padme scenes.

Apparently that part where Anakin says "Obi-Wan was here this morning, wasn't he?" to Padme is still in.

Everything that scene revealed is in that Anakin/Padme scene and the later Obi-Wan/Padme scene.

i might see rots tomorrow. can i start my own thread? j/k(about the thread ). where did all the haters go? cogro has been one of mf's strongest supporters. Much thanks for your info Man.

My hat goes off you guys who are getting to see it early. You have our respect and plenty of jealousy.

And by now I have no fingernails left. Come on May 19th!!!

She is one of the Big Three. It's important to make your characters as worthy of sympathy as possible. And if the audience can't understand them, they won't sympathize or care about them. So leaving out her motivation of why she decides to give in to loving Anakin, seeing her family and deciding she wants a life outside of politics, was IMO, one of the larger mistakes of the prequels.

Greetings people.
I'll avoid regurgitation of the "long time lurker..." spiel - You know the drill.
I have a quick question regards something that irked me somewhat from the video game footage.

Can you remember if the voice acting from THAT Neimodian from the game footage made it to the final cut? You know the one I mean...where he sounds like he's trying really hard to keep a poo from booking a flight out his arse (ass - for you US chaps) ..you know "All batteries fire..FIRE"

I know that raised a concern or two a few threads back..and it was speculated that the voice there may not have been the final one.

PLEASE tell me this is the case! It just sounded out of place on the game footage.

Thanks, usual apologies apply if this has already been answered.

Yes, it is.

So it's acknowledged he was there but the audience never sees this scene?

I'm pretty sure it was. They even say "Lock S-foils in attack positions."