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Post Posted: May 11th 2005 1:55 am
 
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BlackCriminalGangster2050 wrote:
The fact that more people hear and are (probably) influenced by Gene Shalit than Elvis Mitchell is pretty sad.


Too true. Mitchell is one of the few critics I really respect and his NPR show always makes for great radio. His interview with Frank Miller last month really had me jonesing for a Lucas-Mitchell sit down.


Post Posted: May 11th 2005 2:04 am
 
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I edited it ten minutes ago. You didn't notice because you were working your chubby fingers to the bone typing that wicked response where you went from word-counting to mathematical corrections. Priceless!


Post Posted: May 11th 2005 2:12 am
 
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Oopsy. I forgot. You folks don't like exclamation points. They stray too far from the monotone side of The Force.


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Ban him for stretching the fucking page.


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Well, your mathematical prowess is about the same as your ability to see into the future:
pretty shitty--2/11, ass-finger.

Also, "BlackCriminalGangster2050" has nothing to do with hip-hop,
even whitecollegegirlhiphop; it's far more nerdy than that-

http://www.bootlegactionfigures.com/starfighter.html

And please, let me peer into the future:
I predict that very soon, your username will be changed to "guest".
Go fuck yourself. ;)


Post Posted: May 11th 2005 2:23 am
 
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you’ve lost.

give it up.


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Ban him for stretching the fucking page.


If they ban me now I'll become more giddy than you can possibly imagine, Darth.


Post Posted: May 11th 2005 9:31 am
 
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AfroAngl,
Please just shut up man. Nobody has a problem with you if you just let it go so this thread doesn't end up in trash compactor. There is still a shitload of reviews from the elite media that have not yet come out. I'd like it if this thread were still around to discuss said reviews. So please just stop picking fights and acting tough. It's retarded. No one is reading your posts anymore, can we please get this shit back to its regularly scheduled thread.


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I don't really see how echoing the Binary Sunset scene with the final shot is cheap. A tad odd.

I find it funny his explanation for not liking SW is that it was before his time as he was born in 78, which was exactly the same year I was born. Not a shot at him or anything, but a bit strange nonetheless.


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Charles B wrote:
I don't really see how echoing the Binary Sunset scene with the final shot is cheap...


WTF? You gotta be looking for something to be "cheap" to see a beautiful shot that like as such. That's just stupid, and really stretching it.

Of course, I still haven't seen the movie, so what do I know? :whatevaho:


Post Posted: May 11th 2005 10:57 am
 
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The Dark Horizons guy had a pretty well written review. I sure hope the Vader "noooo" doesn't make people laugh. That'll really piss me off.


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ccchhhrrriiisss wrote:
I agree, Manny.

The scene that frustrated me most from watching AOTC in a crowded theatre was the scene where Anakin and Padme shared their first kiss on Naboo (overlooking the lake). When she pulls back -- and the Across the Stars music suddenly cuts off -- the entire theatre snickered and/or moaned loudly! I remember that I cringed, and felt an almost embarrassed knot in my stomach.

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BTW, here is another review. I haven't read it yet, although it seems quite positive:

http://www.empiremovies.com/reviews/reviews.php?id=3109



I think this was an unintended laugh. Those are painful. It's like watching a family member screw up during a sporting event. Let's hope people buy the "nooo" moment as its a pivotal scene.


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I think this was an unintended laugh


I disagree. The AOTC scene by the lake was defintely intented by the filmmakers to elicit a laugh by the audience. The music cue abruptly stopping, and Anakin's reaction afterwards are priceless.


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Yeah, his "WTF-face" couldn´t have been anything other than intentional. I laughed. :)


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Now this is defintely a peril of early reviews...half of you have already talked yourselves into this scene being cheesy and won't be able to enjoy it. You just can't do that guys and gals i'm telling you.


Nah, I'm not worried about it personally. As I stated in another thread, this is probly one of the scenes I'm looking forward to most. I'm just worried that wiseasses in the theatre who won't be able to suspend their belief for one second will ruin my enjoyment.


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"I'm just worried that wiseasses in the theatre who won't be able to suspend their belief for one second will ruin my enjoyment."

Aww, come on Manny...can't you just tune them out? You seem desperately concerned about someone else's reaction to something you didn't make.

Now, if you HAD made Ep III--I can see how a cringe-inducing groan would be like a kick in the nuts. Otherwise man...just fuck 'em. :)


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"I'm just worried that wiseasses in the theatre who won't be able to suspend their belief for one second will ruin my enjoyment."

Aww, come on Manny...can't you just tune them out? You seem desperately concerned about someone else's reaction to something you didn't make.

Now, if you HAD made Ep III--I can see how a cringe-inducing groan would be like a kick in the nuts. Otherwise man...just fuck 'em. :)


I dunno, I'm pretty picky, when I'm watching something in a theatre, I like to be able to feel a vibe in it. I definitely had that feeling for AOTC had specific moments, pretty much anything the last 45 minutes. People were digging it, and it makes it a lot more fun. You know what I mean? The theatre and the people in it can contribute to and detract from the viewing experience a great deal, but you are right that ultimately, their reaction isn't going to affect my opinion of the film in anyway.


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Yeah, I guess that makes sense, especially if you are particularly passionate about the material. A good audience reaction adds to the fun.

Personally, I don't like to go to the cinema much. I always do for STAR WARS, because it's STAR WARS (and I've been fortunate that both of the last two movies were received positively where I am), but man...the community movie experience has long since become an agony.


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Well that was a rambling exercise of pretension and hyperbole.


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Hmm... well as soon as I read, "George Bush," I skipped a bunch of paragraphs, but there's an utter disregard and contempt with which he views the prequels that I can't entirely disagree with. I'd say if his ego was one millionth as big, his critique would've probably been able to support his assertion that they're not so much films anymore as cultural icons without going completely overboard. I agree, in the end, it's more mean-spirited than intellectual. So fuck him.


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Rawhead wrote:
ya ever notice how mean-spirited all the negative reviews are.


They derive self esteem from putting down others. The meanspirited reviewers all go home and cry themselves to sleep.

That's just my objective take on the issue. ;)


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Plus, "Revenge of the Shit" is about as clever as spelling it, "Micro$oft."


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Plus, "Revenge of the Shit" is about as clever as spelling it, "Micro$oft."


I knew we'd get a Revenge of the Shit comment eventually. I also knew that I would then decide whoever actually used said comment was a huge waste of life.

And I know what you mean Rawhead. Some of these reviewers probly wrote their reviews before seeing the movie. I mean that in a very literal sense. Like, they literally probly already had an outline of their (not so) witty jabs and puns.


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Plus, "Revenge of the Shit" is about as clever as spelling it, "Micro$oft."


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Is TF.N still a website? I seriously haven't been there in about a year now I think. I did register and create a sock to talk about how much tf.n sucks one nite when I was bored. But that was a while ago.



As for the reviews...yea I agree there are some real douches out there. I get the feeling that the positive reviews are going to wane as the douches come out in full force. AOTC all over again. (only this time around the reviews are very positive, not just "oh its pretty good, better than TPM).


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"the sheer number of people almost DICTATED that nothing of value actually floated to the top"

That quote was taken from the chat and I think it sums it up perfectly.

tfn is a place I go for time-wasting discussions about SW (voluntarily, I know), but I come here when I want to actually find/learn something. Way too much crap to sift through there, and never any actual information.


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I agree (re:Observer.) It seems SO much has been said about Star Wars over the last 30 years that some people and/or writers, in their desire for attention and sensationalism, will just leave any logic behind in a vain attempt to say something "new" about Star Wars. WTF he actually meant is beyond me. And of course, a negative review is a more interesting review than a positive one for many, and leaves the deluded, insecure reader with some sense of "oh good, I am cooler than that movie, and all those fanatics."


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I suppose we could look at it as "the more this guy trashes it the more likely it is to be pretty good". He most likely goes off the most about the Star Wars movies he, on some level that he hates to admit to himself, actually enjoys. Of course this is unacceptable to a person as cultured and above Star Wars sheep as he, so he not only impugns the movies (even Empire for fucks sake) but the whole generation of people who love them. Way to go, douchebag! You've successfully made me want to see it more than I already did.


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Mr Peck,

I happened to stumble upon your review of Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith today, and it caught my attention, for all the wrong reasons.

For starters, throughout the whole review, it is apparent that your opinion of the film is less important than the satisfaction of hearing your own voice (in this case, reading your own text). I, for all my trying, could not find a place in the whole article that screamed any sense of cohesion or structure, just a long string of venemous ramblings from a self-important windbag who wants a bit of controversy and headlines.

I am sure that you will recieve what you desire, as I know that I am most likely not the first, nor the last fan of the Star Wars saga that will e-mail you, and with good reason. The "review" was a rambling exercise of pretension and hyperbole, and franky, I expect something a bit more professional from one who supposedly is paid for this craft.

Also, as stated before, there is no sense of cohesion to your review at all. You seem to think that you are being clever in "tieing together" references from as many sources as you can, in order to make yourself sound "better" than the average American. Let it be known that many have seen right through your scheme. There is not one ounce of intelligence in the review, no matter how verbose you get.

In a review of Revenge of the Sith (which i see you have renamed, Revenge of the Shit, wow, you are the ONLY one who has ever thought of that, kudos to you), I see one, possibly 2 paragraphs devoted to the movie at hand. Through the rest of the review you slam not only the original trilogy (critically accliamed, in which the second, Empire Strikes Back, is considered the strongest of the three, which I see you consider "mediocre", again, in an attempt to garner attention to yourself), but the fanbase in general. Sir, let me tell you what right you have to go ad hominem towards quite possibly the largest movie fanbase on earth. The simple answer is none! I have never understood why reviewers feel the need to attack the fans, instead of focusing on the movie, which is what they are paid to do. In fact, the lack of attention to the movie itself, the review reads like one that you had already had planned months in advance of you seeing the film, needing only a cursory glimpse at a couple of spoiler sites/trailers to fill in your reqired space devoted to the film in question.

I do not expect you to read this, nor reply, but will be pleasantly surprised if you do. Thank you in advance for your time.

Justin M. Steranko
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P.S. The reason the Vader quote is misquoted and "awkwardly phrased" is because you take it out of context, it was never meant to be a standalone line. That dialogue goes as follows:

Vader - Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father
Luke - He told me enough! He told me you killed him!
Vader - No, I am your father

In the above dialogue, it is easy to see that the last Vader line, taken on its own, is awkward, and clumsy, but put in the context of the narrative, is the most logical thing for him to say.


meh, it's not my best writing (and thanks to some on here whose phrases i lifted verbatim.


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yeah i got an "undeliverable" address too


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yeah i got an "undeliverable" address too


What a surprise. Perhaps all of the hate mail from Star Wars fans has crashed their mail server. :bounce:


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This wouldn't be the first time the New York Observer printed a review of a Star Wars movie by someone who never saw the movie.

My response to this shyster:
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Aside from a fact-free smear job on George Lucas, Your "review" of Revenge of the Sith (or Shit as you so wittily described it) offered no insight whatsoever about the movie itself. In fact, there are no details in
your "review" that one couldn't have obtained from an Episode of E! News Daily.

Because it's obvious that like that other Observer critic, Rex "I swear I didn't know those CDs were in my pocket, Officer!" Reed, you never watched the movie and your review is a fraud worthy of Jayson Blair.
Prove that you watched the movie. A ticket stub with "Revenge of the Sith" on it will do.

I look forward to seeing proof that you watched the film, rather than fabricating a "review" as an excuse to slam a filmmaker. I won't hold my breath waiting. However, I can't help but wonder what your editors must
think of one of their writers perpetrating such an obvious hoax.


I'm still working on an e-mail to his editor.


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I'm still working on an e-mail to his editor.


Why?

Is there anyone who reads movie reviews in The New York Observer for any reason other than to see what they expect to see? I mean, who gives a fuck? Do you think Lucas cares? If he doesn't, why do you?


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yeah i got an "undeliverable" address too


Mine, too.

Here's the main e-mail address for the paper:

comments@observer.com

I left a phone message with the editors as well. When a journalist makes a claim, he's expected to back it up -even in an opinion piece. I think Peck resents Hayden Christensen because he starred in Shattered Glass , a film about a journalist who pulled one story after another out of his ass. It must have hit close to home for him. I think the paper's editors have an obligation to get Peck to PPOR.


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Ayatollah Krispies wrote:
Jelperman wrote:
I'm still working on an e-mail to his editor.


Why?

Is there anyone who reads movie reviews in The New York Observer for any reason other than to see what they expect to see? I mean, who gives a fuck? Do you think Lucas cares? If he doesn't, why do you?


It's the principle of the matter. I have a deep dislike for journalistic fraud of any kind. Also, I love EUREKA! moments when a huckster is exposed. It's not just about Star Wars for me. Catching a fraud in the act is good fun!


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Interesting definition of fun.

If you want to expose fraud in journalism you're going to be awfully busy.


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Moriarty's review is up @AICN:

http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=20201

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"Revenge of the Shit"

That's priceless.

On Edit:

Village Voice review is up:
http://www.villagevoice.com/film/0520,h ... 70,20.html

Mostly negative but I thought they were going to absolutely trash it and they laid off a bit.


Maybe its just me beng bias, but I seriously haven't read a negative review by someone who I didn't immediately identify as an assclown. I mean, just the language in these articles, you can tell these guys had already thought up what oh so witty remarks they had. "May the Force Be Over"? You know these guys got no objectivity whatsoever.


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joe_h, yeah, and they call us sheep for liking these films, they're just as bad lockstepping behind each other with the Lucas bashing.

Again, I have no problem with a negative review but for fuck's sake, review the film on its merits, not your own personal biases (which is hard I know) or grudges.

The Observer "review" is laughable, insulting, but laughable, the very definition of looking down one's nose at others.

Fuck 'em.


Yup. And none of these negative reviews actually specifically refer anything in the movie. They allude to generic complaints about previous Star Wars films. The acting sucks, the script sucks, there's too much CGI, all they care about is CGI, Lucas loves money, Lucas is a moneywhore.


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It was a fun week of hype, tho wasn't it? Couldn't last, I spose.


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Not for a moment did I expect IGN to like Episode III, and they didn't disappoint.

What I find odd is that they helped perpetuate the LOTR vs. Star Wars arguments, and never missed a chance to take a swipe at SW. Yet, now they have every day some sort of SW-related tripe.

Business. Hmph.


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Truly they are the website that brought us TFN.


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http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/612/612085p1.html

I love this review. He reams the plotpoints and story for the first half, then hilariously walks out with a three star rating.

"I...reluctantly...LIKE it..."

:roll:


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I get the indication Lucas made the monumental mistake of not making the movie IGN imagined all this time.


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Every review practically is pointing out how crappy Vader's Noooooo is. Ugh. Moriarty's review kinda made me understand what Lucas is probably going for there.. the whole creation of a monster kinda thing.

But damn I hope it's not so bad it ruins the whole thing.


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It's worked for some people and not for others, so it might just be the viewer. I suspect we'll be so caught up in the moment it won't damage us too much.


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I'd say 75% of the time I've enjoyed movies they've hated, and they almost always disagree with the majority of filmgoers - Blade:Trinity being an excellent example. So statistically I'm looking pretty good.

And taking a potshot at Harry's review (though it was hyperbolic) was a bit unprofessional, I agree.


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Again, the Noooo isn't bad. It's just iconic. If you know what Lucas is harkening back to, then you'll dig it, if you're looking for the ultra serious, you may not.


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Again, the Noooo isn't bad. It's just iconic. If you know what Lucas is harkening back to, then you'll dig it, if you're looking for the ultra serious, you may not.


Question for ya. I've heard the camera pans out during the NOOOOO. Is it like a super quick goofy pan out, or is it slow?


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Wind machine? Cause of the force explosion he does? w tf?


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