"...since planes, trains, & automobiles (when you find out John Candy is homeless)"

Oh I like you already...that's my favorite comedy of all time!

Lump in my throat every fucking time at the end, though, agreed.

If that's really what you think, maybe you should spend a bit more time there. Of course, I say this as someone who posts at - and writes for - CHUD, but I think you're being highly unfair just because the majority don't like the prequels.

The Daily Mail (UK) Never one to disappoint Chris Tookey loves the sound of his own self important voice and wants to be different

I always trust Empire's reviews, but in no way am I willing to raise or lower my expectations of EPIII based on what is essentially an ambigious prequel commentary. Bring on May 19th, I say.

that chris tookey makes 1 point though.. lucas really cant do dialogue anymore.

i wont be supprised if alot of the lines in ROTS are wank.. as they kinda were in the last 2 films..

but i guess i will wait and see.

i will enjoy the movie with good dialogue or not.. its the story im looking forward to.. the odd bad line here and there wont spoil it too much for me.

I agree with Rawhead. Han Solo did make Star Wars. Subtract Harrison Ford's performance from the OT and see what you get. Empire would not have been made. The PT lacks any character that is even remotely as likeable or fun to watch as Solo. But this is not a bad thing.

It might be on purpose - Solo provides the rebel attitude that fits perfectly with the desperate times of the OT and contrasts with the failures in the main characters of the PT.

Remember how much time was spent talking about friendship in the OT? A real '70's spirit going on there - 'get by with a little help from my friends...' Lack of friendship in the OT is part of what led to the downfall of Anakin (and hence the Republic). Han Solo was a true friend and a hero (and terrific comic relief).

Personally, I like to view the whole saga as one movie (as Lucas has suggested his intent was). The differences between the OT and the PT are because of the dramatic shift in plotline at that point in the story from an individual and republic's fall in the PT to a small band of friends fighting against seemingly undefeatable enemy in the OT. A plucky character like Solo wouldn't have fit at all in the PT and would have disrupted the dramatic flow of the saga. I think, taken as a whole, with the last chapter in place, this is going to be awesome. If critics would review the whole saga instead of just one of the chapters (because now the WHOLE saga is finally complete), maybe I wouldn't have to go to the bathroom so badly right this fucking moment....

i don't like how it's getting all this positive press

fuck this

I'm not trying to pick a fight over how good or bad the dialogue in Star Wars really is, but personaly I don't have this kind of problems with the prequels (sofar, not sure about Ep III yet) and I'm sort of curious what movies you Chilly (or any other person here that feels the same way you do) consider to have brilliant (or just damn great) dialogue. I myself would have a really hard time trying to separate the quality of the dialogue from other aspects of a movie and there are very few films that I like overall, but I don't like how the dialogue was written.

So how about some examples of movies with such great lines of dialogue that most other films pale in comrehension. The closer will the titles be to the Star Wars style of storytelling the better, becouse I also want to get a better idea what's here to dislike.

Man they just keep rolling in. Regardless of what the media say anyway I would still love the movie.

Fuck this guy and his paper. He bases whether he likes a movie or not on whether it's violent/offensive to the white middle-class males of the UK.

Thanks for translating the interview. Wish I'd seen it before tackling it on my own. Oh, and I miss the 'Wir sind Papst' avatar....

Heh did anyone see this one?

http://www.juicycerebellum.com/200511.htm

"Will be remembered as one of the greatest movies ever made. 'Classic' isn't kind enough a word for this gem. The best film to be unleashed onto the public in 25 years!"

The guy's pretty funny, anyway.

Edit: But also proves he's pretty dumb with lines like: It turns out his mother was essentially raped, through the manipulation of Midicholorians by Darth Sidious

Is it that confusing in the movie, that casual moviegoers can't see that Palpatine is lying?

Raped by midichlorians? I guess that's another reason not to like them.

well, it was only rape at first...

I'm not going to argue against that. The Daily Mail is a vile publication trying to whip up mass hysteria and moral panic at every opportunity, it's a sociologists dream. Newspaper of the tory hoard...............

Ok rant over.

Good to see it getting good reviews this side of the pond, even my sceptical mates are getting over excited now.

God I love this site. Entertainment at every turn.

I'm one of those guys who has absolutely no problem with the dialogue in Star Wars (I guess I am one of those apologists) and I think in the OT there are plenty of cheezy lines as well. That's part of the charm for me.

Some examples of movies with such great lines of dialogue that most other films pale in comrehension:

Starship Troopers

But what about these:

Night On Earth
Before Sunrise
The Ususal Suspects
All Quiet on the Western Front
The Great Dictator
Casablanca
Apocalypse Now!
Der Totmacher
Le Fabuleux Destin d'Amélie Poulain
...

No science fiction/fantasy movies, but whatever...

Wow, and she's usually the most bitter reviewer out there.

That was a very good review. I am also incredibly relieved to find that the "don't move dummy" robot line which we saw in the Trivial Pursuit clips was taken out of the final product. The voice of that robot was ridiculous and completely detracted from the scene.

First good article on AICN ever. Not only is a Prequel "Basher" enjoying ROTS, but she obviously has some intelligence about her. A very imformative review, I must say.

I'm sure there was once a previous good article on AICN. Wait.....wait......wait. Aww shit there wasn't. My bad!

In regards to all these reviews, im going to see the movie and judge for myself...simple

Some reviewers are ass clowns, simply put. If someone doesn't like ROTS, that's fine, it doesn't bother me. If they can say so in a civil manner. But it's the people that go over the top you know you can question their objectivity.

Having seen the film. That boxofficemojo review is kind of misguided.
It seems like the author looked to trash the film.

Yeah, sorry it doesn't really work very well does it? I just did it because blue is my favourite colour. I'll stick to the default text instead though.

It's now:


At Rotten Tomatoes.

Haters owned.

Everyone reading this thread who has not seen the film is edging ever closer, Gollum-like, to completely losing their shit. 8 days. 8 days. Say it with me now...

I was watching A New Hope Today and when Vader says: "I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you" (the shot in your avatar) I immediately thought of this site. Weird.

Pavlov would be proud.

With 24 reviews in so far, 22 positive, I'm starting to wonder if truly negative reviews are going to ever come in. It doesn't genuinly seem like there is anything to bash about this movie other than it not being what people's opinions of how Vader turns are. As a movie, every critic is saying it's great fun. I mean I know we will get some more negative reviews, but it's at a 92% fresh rating right now and a few of the top critics like Newsweek, Variety, Hollywood Reporter and Empire have already reviewed it positively. I think it's safe to say the in the end the general view of the movie will be positive, not in the 90%, but maybe 80% or high 70%.

I'm thinking that some "critics" will bash ROTS, just for the fuck of it.

Let's see 98% of the reviews so far have been positive, I know several "critics" who'll want to get noticed....

I'm looking at you, Dick Roeper.

I think to some extent certain reviews do influence smaller publications to follow suit. It almost became fashionable to bash TMP and AOTC, just because, it was the cool thing to do. This time, some magazines might give ROTS a good review because of that reason, but I like to believe it's because it's really a good movie. Most of the reviews seem to sound original and seperate from eachother, kinda citing the reviewers personal reasons why they loved it. I think you are right about some reviewers going to give it a bad review just because as well, but from another thread I heard that Roper loved ROTS and Ebert didn't like it, so who knows.

Eh, perhaps a new tidbit, Time put out an article today on Sith as well. It put Sith across as praiseworthy, as well. It was more of a exposition on the movie, and not a real critical review, but the author had seen it and he was quite pleased with it.

Here's the link, if anyone's interested. I perused it over a luncheon of a Diet Coke and a Rice Krispy Treat, so I'm not sure how to bring you the full experience.

http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1056208,00.html

The "boxofficemojo" guy has a point though:



Or am I wrong?

I'm so confused...

It's obvious that Obi-Wan is a Sith.

Is the line not "Only a sith deals in absolutes"? That being the case there is no contradiction. There's a huge difference between 'dealing in absolutes' and making a statement which asserts an absolute. Seems this reviewer wasn't paying attention.

"Deal" schmeal.



The gospel truth, right there.

This is from the script:

Anakin: If you are not with me, you're my enemy.
Obi-Wan: Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes, I will do what I must. (Ignites his lightsaber)
Anakin: You will try...

So, yeah, it is deal in absolutes, not speak in absolutes.

Obi-Wan ignites lightsaber first -> Jedi only ignite for defence. Hence Obi-Wan's sithness

Well, Newsweek liked it.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7773581/site/newsweek/

"Lucas manages to turn the audience's familiarity to his advantage: like a jigsaw puzzle whose final form has always been known, the fun is in discovering how the last pieces fit."

And Rotten Tomatoes is now "Certified Fresh" with 22 Fresh reviews and 2 rotten. That's a 92%, with an average review of 8/10. In perspective, ANH has a 93% rating and ESB has 98%.

What have I done!

Yup, RT used to have their original releases up, and I'm not sure why they took them down, they were quite interesting. They all got pretty poor reviews. ROTJ was in the 50s, I think ESB was in the 60s, and ANH in the 70s perhaps? But yea, I distinctly remember how crappy the reviews were in the original release.

And the comments were very similar to the ones made about AOTC and TPM. Generic nonspecific complaints about acting and dialogue.

Just goes to show how much critics know. I just wish a few of them would drop their fucking agendas and review these films a little more impartially.

What will be interesting is to see how the more elite media react when they do their previews next week. IE, major newspapers, NYtimes, Boston Globe, etc., etc. AOTC had a buzz going up until those type of media came and slammed it. So I doubt the so far extremely positive reviews will have any effect on the elite media if they feel like ripping Lucas a new one. I know its cool to be "anti-Lucas" so I expect papers such as NYTimes to keep their anti Lucas stance alive.

Well in the UK, reasonably major reviewers such as the BBC, the Times newspaper and Empire magazine have been pretty positive. The only negative i've read is Christopher Tookey but he's a dick anyway and his newspaper isn't worth wiping my arse with.

Word, I concur. And in the US, Variety, Newsweek and Times Magazines positive reviews may give the other elite reviewers license to not be Lucas hating jackasses.

I'm afraid to say thats the most likely scenario.

Reviewers like that are nothing more than attention whores. They don't review films, they sit up all nite thinking of the best possible derogatory simile, metaphor, comparison, or allusion in aiding their Lucas bashing.

You know what I mean. The reviewers who are all "I'd rather poke my eyes out and have my balls lit on fire than watch Revenge of the Sith!!!" It's those type of critics that suck balls.