I think it´s very cool to have one brief moment of humanity even in Palpatine. Really gives some resonance to a character we always thought was one-dimensional, stereotypical evil. And if he really is responsible for Anakin´s "Force-conception", it makes the whole throneroom-sequence in Jedi really twisted (the grandfather pitting his son against his grandchild).

I think that Palpatine kneeling and touching Anakin shows that yes, he does care for Anakin, but mostly that he cares for his own cause. He wants Anakin to live so that he can be a powerful Sith. Earlier he tells Yoda that Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of them, and tells Luke in Ep. VI to "strike me down with all of your anger" merely so that Luke will completely go to the dark side by committing murder. He cares for those who will truly further his cause. It is his mini-compassion for Darth Vader that is his undoing, as he trusts him enough to turn his back on him while attempting to fry Luke 20some year later.

Yes, the "Seperatist" line is in the final version...

But the discusion about who Plageius' apprentice was, was not.

Hello every body!
One day, one question

Who are the jedi who lost their head or a parts of their body?

I´m confused, is it still implied this apprentice was Palpatine?

It is implied.

here are my questions (forgive me if soem of them are repetitions)

1.) when Obi-Wan leaves Anakin on Mustafar after defeating him in the duel, how does it come across to you? did leaving Anakin where he was come across as an act of mercy or one of cruelty?

2.) does anybody actually say "I have a bad feeling about this?"

3.) does it ever show how Leia could possibly remember Padme since she and Luke were christened at the same time?

4.) did you see the cameo of a Millenium Falcon type ship? (dammit, i'm forgetting the ship name)

5.) what about the romance scenes? is it better/ worse/ no different than AOTC?

6.) does Anakin's obsession with keeping Padme alive (hence his reason for going bad) evident in the film? or is it underdeveloped?

7.) do they show the Anakin actually slaughtering the Younglings, or just as in the script, him just igniting the lightsaber then leaves the rest to the imagination? i ask this because i still feel so deprived of the Tusken Slaughter scene in AOTC.

To me, it came across more on the mercy side... but I think Obi-Wan simply could not kill Anakin. He could horribly wound him (to get him to stop fighting), but couldn't kill him. Perhaps Obi-Wan felt it would be better to leave Anakin to his fate (living or dying) to deal with the problems he created. Clearly, Obi was very frustrated/saddened with all that had happened to the Jedi and his friend.



Yes, Obi-Wan I believe




No, but I've always simply believed that when Leia talked about her mother, she was referring to Mrs Organa.



Nope. But that doesn't mean it's not there.



Night and Day. The romance is real this time around.



It was a bit underdeveloped in the film I thought. I don't know however if that was from the scriptage, or from the fact that Padme looks and acts just fine. She doesn't look in peril, so you are predisposed to think she isn't in peril. On that, the whole thing of visions that Ani has regarding Padme was a definate departure from other SW films. Jury is still out on whether it helped the film/audience or not, when compared to Lukes "visions" in ESB. Not saying it was bad, just different. Perhaps those scenes might have been more effective if we'd seen Palps causing the visions (if he even was).



Nope. Just the sabre lighting up, and a shaocked expression on the very innocent face of the Youngling. But, to me, it's what you don't see in scenes like this...

So we don't see any of the Jedi Temple slaughter? It's pretty much him marching as seen in the trailer, then it cuts to another scene when he comes to the younglings? Do we see ANY action in the Jedi Temple slaughter? Like from clones or maybe him mowing down older Jedi? Or is it all in the hologram videos Obi-Wan sees?

No,

There is more slaughter, but mostly clonetroopers gunning Jedi down, IIRC. There was more Temple slaughter in the video game clips than in the movie. But the slaughter is intercut with Order 66 slaughter as well. The scene with Bail Organa arriving at the temple is good though, as one Padawan tries to fight his way to Bail's speeder.

ok another one:

8.) was Anakin awake when he was getting his bionic implants? can you tell any more about that scene? i'm getting conflicting reports that he was awake and screaming vs completely out of it.





and that was played bu Lucas' kid right?

thanks for the reviews - So now that you've seen it, do you think Yoda's line to Luke in Episode 5 - "once you start down the dark path forever will it dominate your destiny as it did Obi-wan's apprentice" resonates stronger and more meaningful to help us buy into Anakin's turn? Irs almost as if Anakin had no choice in the matter once he off's dooku and helps off Mace.

No, he was awake and moaning/groaning/screaming. That is what made that scene so much more powerful. It was as if the implants and the pain they were causing, coupled with the pain of being cooked on the "Mustafar Weber" help to strip away more of himself, making him closer to the Dark Side. I'm telling ya, the scene where the helmet comes down, and the look on Anakin/Vadar's face is chilling. It's almost as if the last bits of his humanity are struggling against being consumed... very well done.


Oboe

I think EpIII changes a lot for the OT. I certainly want ot go back and watch those scenes with Luke/Yoda from ESB and RotJ. "Do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor" takes on a whole new meaning that's for sure, as well as the line you quoted.


Oboe

Did you stay long enough to view the end credits? Did JEJ do the voice for Vader or was it Hayden's own voice after sound enchancement?

I'm asking cause IMDB removed JEJ's name from the cast list.

Both me, and the guy I saw it with did not ses JEJ name on the credits.


Oboe

I could not disagree more that Anakin's determination to keep Padme alive is "underplayed" in this film. It is the engine that drives his transformation, and thus the entire plot, and thus all six films! Sure, it's not yelled out loudly during a lightsaber duel or something, but unless you appreciate that element of the plot, you'll miss a lot of other subtle things.

Anakin's determination has nothing to do with how Padme looks or acts, and everything to do with the fact that he prophesied his mother's death in dreams, and thus assumes that his dreams about Padme are also true unless he can do something "unnatural" (Palpatine's word) to interfere with fate. And so he turns to the Dark Side.

It's frustrating to me that various media reviewers keep talking about Anakin's ambition, or Palpatine's manipulative abilities, as the sole reasons why Anakin turns. Anakin turns because he refuses to believe Yoda's sagely (and extremely Buddhist) advice to train himself to let go of everything he fears to lose. It's one of the most profound elements in the whole meta-plot of all the films, and is executed beautifully in Sith.

They say there´s a YT-1300 freighter in the scene when Palpatine returns to the senate, following his rescue. If it´s the same as in the behind the scenes-book, it should have green stripes.

In Josh Griffin's review, he said the Duel of the Fates song is back in the movie. Does anyone remember which part? I'm guessing it's another TPM soundtrack rip, which sucks.


EDIT: Whoops, sorry, didn't see that question.

It has been said it was in two parts in the movie. Once during the Yoda vs. Sidious duel and another time that I don't remember.

I should clarify... I was talking more to Hayden's acting in my earlier comments. Yes, it is clear he wants nothing more than to save Padme (and those he loves), but Hayden's acting in that regard did not make me truly believe it. Whether he was a victim of the writing, or his own acting chops, I'm not sure.

He nailed the romance in Sith to be sure, but he didn't quite convince me in regards to his saving of Padme.

Perhaps my opinion will change once I see it again.


Oboe

I was talking more to Hayden's acting in my earlier comments. Yes, it is clear he wants nothing more than to save Padme (and those he loves), but Hayden's acting in that regard did not make me truly believe it. Whether he was a victim of the writing, or his own acting chops, I'm not sure.

Ah yeah, I hear ya.

Honestly Hipnotik,

I didn't think the dialogue was that bad, comparitively. Oh, there are parts, don't get me wrong, but on the whole, it's pretty good.


Oboe

So the final scene with Vader on the Star Destroyer bridge (or is it the Attack Ship bridge right now?), is it scored to the Imperial March. If so, it the "original" version, very military and triumphant, or is it more like AOTC's, slow and more gloomy?

So far, from what I've heard of the score outside the soundtrack, I'm quite impressed. There's quite a bit in the Episode III game as well.

I know the Yoda/Emp duel is intercut with Obi/Anakin.. is it just one cut? I think I read it's Obi/Anakin then cuts to Yoda Emp, which concludes, then back to Obi/Anakin.. ??

How long would you estimate the full scene is? (both duels combined).

I think there are at least two cuts in the final duels... as to how long, I can't honestly say. I can say I wasn't disappointed with the length, dat's fer sure.


Oboe

What would you say is the best single moment in the film like.. wow, that was ESB level goodness.

And what's the single worst moment in the film like.. wow, that's TPM level assness.

iz teh scoar goeng to be gud?

Hmmm... best moment. Tough to say. I'd have to see it again to be sure, but it's a toss up between:

1. The execution of Order 66
2. When Anakin is writhing in pain after Obi lays the smack down both physically and verbally, then walks away to Anakin saying he hates him.
3. The look on Anakin's face when the mask is about to be put on.

The worst? Probably the exchange when Obi, Anakin, and Palps get caught by the Ray Shields, and they talk about it. It was just kinda a dumb scene.


Oboe

But first, crucially, Obi-Wan says that he loved him. Which is the moment I wept. And I'm a goddamned journalist.

He might say that he loved him, but actions speak louder than words - and leaving Anakin to a fate worse than death speaks volumes. That's a fate that you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. Obi-Wan is just a giant heartless bastard.

Anakin was trying to kill him. It wasn't a show, it was serious. So fuck him. If Obi-Wan helped Anakin up, Anakin'd just try and kill him again. It's not that he's heartless, he's just not a complete and total fucktard.

Sorry, but no one answered my question. This is to either Biggs or OboeCop. I'll post my question again.

So the final scene with Vader on the Star Destroyer bridge (or is it the Attack Ship bridge right now?), is it scored to the Imperial March. If so, it the "original" version, very military and triumphant, or is it more like AOTC's, slow and more gloomy? Sorry if you guys don't remember.

Does Anakin use a red saber besides Dooku's at the beginning? I didn't read the whole review I didn't wanna be super spoiled...

I haven't seen the movie, but I will answer that question with an answer I thought everyone knew: Anakin doesn't use a red saber any other time expect for when he uses Dooku's.

Is that a Star Trek avatar? The answer is no.

Right. Anakin was going to try to kill him again, and he did. It took him 20 years, but he did.

Well, to go back to an older movie with a similar context to this, the movie Old Yeller, in which the dog, who is loved dearly by a young boy, gets rabies. Now, I think that the boy himself shot the dog, before he was completely taken over by the rabies and turned into a psycho-dog.

The same thing happens here. Obi-Wan goes to find rabid Anakin and slay him before he becomes too powerful to stop. Obi-Wan left Anakin for dead.

Is it true Chewie reprises his tarzan yell?

please say no.

Pika:

I don't remember what music was playing in that scene. I was too busy trying to absorb how much of the Death Star had been built, and how close Young Tarken looked to Old Tarken. Sorry...

And as for the Tarzan yell. Yes, Chewie does, but so does the other Wookie swinging down (Tarfunkel?).

I actually liked that scene, as it sort of made the Wookies more apt to use vines and shit like that.


Oboe

That's it... I'm going to opening night hammered out of my fuckin' mind.


Speaking of which, why can't Jedi fly? They can levitate everyone else.

"Shut up."

No, seriously.

"LALALALALALALALALALALALA"

Whatever. Forget it.

They ran out of $$ to top up their force-credit?

I wouldn't know anything about that.

OK, so I posted in the wrong place...

I managed to be lucky enough to be invited to a press screening at VUE in Leicester Square this morning. One word, AWESOME. This movie makes ESB look like happy happy joy joy.

It has its faults, but on the whole, I was absolutely over the moon with joy by the end of the movie. Great Stuff,and the end of an era...

well not quite, ive got tickets to go to the marathon a week tommorrow, and booked on the first showing on the 19th.

This will be a day long remembered - this one is the one which the sheep have been waiting for..

I was asked some questions in the other thread ill try to answer..

I couldnt see where the other people were from.(IE I have no idea if empire were there?)

I was 100% spoiled before hand, and yeah maybe it would have been even better if i had been spoiler free, but hell, there ya go ..

There is no homage to the trench run in ANH unless its very subtle, cos i didnt notice it

Two of the more bitched about scenes are the Windu vs Palps duel and Vader imtitating Frankenstien at the end.

Care to run through those two scenes in detail? what worked, what didn't.

Obi-Wan levitates himself onto the higher ledge during the duel of the fates in Episode I after he got kicked off by Darth Maul.

Re: the Mace/Palps fight, I thought it panned out very very well, and was one of the best parts of the movie.. palps inital fly through the air into a roll was awesome, the jedi deaths seemed to come a bit quickly, and no one but Mace seemed to put up much of a fight at all.

The only other very very minor gripe was that I thought palps went a bit too far in his "acting defenceless" the pleads of "please dont kill me" seemed a bit OTT. Still, Anakin bought it lol.

Vaders frankenstein moment was a bit dodgy I'd say. He seemed to be doing jazz hands and reminded me of al jolson or something. Still, the whole scene worked well, and there was an an audible gasp from the crowd at the press screening when vader uttered "yes master".

The lingering shot when vader first starts to breathe in the suit was done excellently. Not sure about the shots from the internals of the mask though..i kinda liked to imagine what vader saw through his robotic eyes rather than see it for myself.

The movie is not without its faults, but they are all minor imho. I was dissapointed with the omission of the Qui Gon revelation scene, and yoda arriving on Dagobah, and I didnt like the animal (not sure what its called) that Obi wan rides on in utapau.

Other negative (but sooooooo minor) observations was the lack of C3PO throughout the movie (seemed odd as GL always said the movies are told through the droids eyes) and the very minor role chewie had didnt seem to have much point.

On a positive note, the deliverey of order 66 played out well and palpatine looked absolutely as he does in ROTJ (i thought from the pics id seen it would be a bit off) The Tantive IV looks awesome, and the order to have 3po's mind wiped, and 3po's reaction is a genuinely funny very OT moment.

As I said an awesome movie - I just need to see it again.

I had high hopes which is always a problem, but i wasnt disappointed.

MI, do you remember dotf playing during the palps/yoda battle?

Yes, Duel of the fates shows up as palps fight yoda and obi wan fights anakin. I dont think its the whole thing, but a few bars at least. i remember being glad to hear it there. Best thing about ep1 (apart from qui gon).

fuck yeah thanks!