So I go to StarWars.com's "What's new?" page (not Hyperspace don't worry - not that this would qualify as being HS content anyway lmao) and this ad of all ads pop up. I spit my water out and laughed my ass off at the irony of it.

http://ad.doubleclick.net/1045389/spaceballs2.html

Dead link

um, how is that ironic ?

It's a coincidence at best, but certainly not ironic.

I'm happy you got it undead malkie

I find it ironic that Star Wars is in some way helping to promote Space Balls - a spoof on Star Wars - that's all. I guess it depends on how you looko at it (i.e. whether you choose to see it as ironic or just a coincidence depends not on fact but on perception because of the reliance on Star Wars for Space Balls' very existence).

Most importantly, I just found it to be funny. My sincerest apologies if it failed to have the same effect on others.

I find it ironic that Star Wars is in some way helping to promote Space Balls - a spoof on Star Wars - that's all.

Again, that isn't irony.

Why do certain people have such problems with irony ?

cf. Alanis Morrisette ("isn't it ironic?" no, you hatchet faced bint, it fucking well isn't)

um, a song called "isn't it ironic" that doesn't contain a single example of irony is actually in itself kinda ironic.

Maybe she's smarter than you give her credit for.

you're right - she's either really, really smart, or very very dumb.

I don't have a "problem with irony." I have a different opinion of the definition of irony, as many do these days. It largely comes from misuse over the years, granted, but words are not written in stone - we created them, and we can change them. In pop culture, irony now often means something different than in the precision driven world of academia. Language was born of organic grunts and gestures. We've made it into an exact science. What we create, we can change, and atleast in mainstream conciousness (through the media, slang, etc.) we do. For me though, irony is coincidence, but a particular sort of coincidence; one in which both events relate to one another in an ironic (or irony-like, if you're too stubborn to grant me that) way.

(Before you quote a thesaurus, dictionary, or wikipedia.com to the contrary, please understand that I already know the technical definition of irony. I just don't adhere to it in the same way some do).

I could just as easily ask why some people have a "problem with being so anal as to take an obviously lighthearted thread containing lots of lol's and lmao's and turn it into a pointless debate over semantics." Instead, I politely explained that I simply have a different opinion. I even said sorry for not getting people to laugh, which was all this was ever meant to do. What I got back was that I have a "problem with irony."

I have noticed that ALOT of hostility exists here towards a. new people, b. people who aren't as familiar with the way things work as others, and c. those who don't share the exact interpretation of everything from words, to moral stance, to the intent behind a scene in the - usually as yet unreleased - particular movie being debated at any given time. Understand that I'm not saying in any way that anyone in this thread has been hostile, but I have seen alot that has made me feel as though I need to be on the defensive simply by virtue of being new here - which is very sad. So if I seem strangely adamant about this, that's why.

I have my opinion, and I stand by it. It's as simple as that. I only posted this for the sake of a good laugh. Again, I apologize if it didn't achieve it's objective. I respect the views of those who disagree, and only ask that they do the same by not implying my difference of opinion constitutes a "problem with irony," but rather a different interpretation of the word (or, if you insist, a different interpretation of reality, which I'm also entitled to lol).

Actually, the reason why new people get dug into is because they don't understand the social structure and theory behind the community of said message board. Message Boards are basically a large circle of people sharing ideas and responding in turn to the ideas proposed to the group at large. If said new person interrupts the group, and fails to share and respond, they are not accepted into the group. The group feels the need to expel the offender, because they don't understand the social structure. Simple no ?

tl,dr: AT MF WE SHARE.

My "definition" is a perception, and so is correct to me regardless of whether or not it is to anyone else.

As for sharing, I post multiple links to every file, and every version of file I download, so that's not even an issue. My share ratios on torrents are always well above 1500% too.

Not understanding the "social structure" of a community is no cause for hostility. Being hostile about that rather than educating the person/people in question displays even greater ignorance than the "offender."

Blah. This was meant to be funny. Someone move this to the trach compactor due to ridiculousness.

Dude, give up while you are only a little bit behind.

There was nothing ironic about what you posted, and you need to realise that and move on. No amount of bullshit about your personal perception of "what is irony?" will save you now.

holy shit, how did this thread turn into an argument?

It's like a ride when you're already late.

Stinky hippies.

MF CHAT ON AIM ???

Isn't it ironic?

It's not about wanting to "save myself." It's not about wanting to be "right." That's the lamest most immature thing I've ever heard - and saying that on this board is quite a statement.

I don't give half a shit whether anybody on a forum full of people who think they're "l33t," talk down to everyone, and act beligerent at every opportunity that reveals itself, thinks of me, or whether I'm "correct" or "incorrect."

I'm just saying that even though people (always) have a right to disagree, I'd like people to atleast respect my personal opinion and not act like they are superior, because in reality there are no facts - only widely held opinions.

Now for the last time, I respect your views, so please, all I ask is that you respect mine (even though you disagree with them). If not, then I will just assume you're not as mature as you probably think you are, and will refrain from further comment.

Yet here you are trying to save the last ounce of creditability, which is reducing with every post you make.



As Traiken points out so well, it's not about your opinion of the word "ironic". Sorry buddy, but my dictionary is pretty clear on the definition of irony, and nothing you said in your opening post was even slightly ironic. There's absolutely no way you can twist or interpret your opening post to form anything even remotely related to irony.

You fucked up, just accept it and move on. Next time you open your mouth about something being ironic you might think twice and hence learned your lesson here.



It's not about respecting opinions, its about the fact that you posted something entirely incorrect. You could post that in your opinion the world was flat, but you'd be wrong. You could post that the capital city of the USA is Las Vegas, but you'd be wrong. You could post that SW.com advertising Spaceballs was ironic, but you'd be wrong.



It's got nothing to do with maturity - shit, any junior high kid *should* be able to give an accurate description of any of the various forums of irony and a reasonable example for each.

You fucked up. Deal with it.

Whatever.

It's not possible to "prove" anything. Any proof, measurement, etc. is entriely dependent on perception. It has to be processed by our minds for us to perceive it. Nothing can be proven with 100% accuracy.

Dictionaries are books filled with symbols that we arbitrarily decided constituted these arbitrary creations we call words, which all have arbitrary definitions. We created them. They are not inherent. They are not intrinsic. They are creations. Look at existentialism and quantum physics and you will find that there are no definites, only possibilities.

The reason it is about respecting an opinion is because if you read this post carefuly, not once have I said that you weren't entitled to your opinion, that you had a "problem" comprehending a definition, etc. Not once have I said that of anyone.

I understand and respect the official, technical definition of the word. I am not disputing that definition at all. I agree with you all that that is the definition. So I neither have a problem with the word, nor it's definition, nor am I trying to "save" my "credibility." What credibility? LOL. Nobody here knows me. I just choose to see things differently. That is my right, and ALL I ask is that you respect that choice.

If you can't even do that, then it is tantamount to intellectual and philosophical biggotry (deriding it just because it's not like you).

Right you are. The thing is, I don't care if people think I'm a loon lol. Seriously though, I'm not trying to save face. I promise. I'm just trying to explain my position. It's totaly cool if nobody agrees with it.

As if anyone cares anymore:

It would be ironic if StarWars.com (a site created to promote Star Wars) were advertising a product that attempted to truly knock Star Wars, ie: Triumph The Insult Dog Loves Star Wars — To Poop On.

But since Space Balls is a tame spoof that appeals to many fans, it's only a good marketing move.

I hold pretty close to a word's proper definition, as it the reason for the word after all. But 'irony' has always been a bit of a trouble-spot for grammarians. I've read some horrible definition entries for irony that amount to basically 'calling something what it isn't,' or 'not what you were expecting.' By these 'official' definitions, mislabeling produce and finding a penny in your sock-drawer are ironic as Oedipus Rex.

(I do find it ironic how many visitors to this site are put onto the defensive by the equivalent of a grade-school-girl clique of fiercely dogmatic nerds. But anyway...)

Here's a story:

Settlers on an island decide to leave because they fear that the natives are cannibals. When the voyage doesn't go as expected, they are forced to eat eachother.

G'night kids!

[irony] Quit while you're behind. [/sarcasm]

Shamefully, I'd have to agree. Lock & discard, please.