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I wonder how the parents are going to criticize due to the dark matter.


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Devil has the best avatar in the history of messageboards.

Now....I have always said no one's opinion of a movie matters more than your own. If you allow someone else's opinion to sway you, you give them the control.

I see Kevin Smith as close to "one of us" as any Hollywood or celebrity type there is. His opinion certainly won't sway me one way or another as to whether or not I like this movie, but it's good to hear a informed opinion from someone who knows what the fuck he's talking about. Dude makes movies for a living.


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I think the SW movies are probably the most picked-apart films of all time.

Here we are, dissecting the movie before it's even released, deciding which cut scenes should have been left in, which soundtrack songs are up to OT quality, et cetera. ;)

It will be interesting to see Kevin Smith's review after he sees it for a 2nd time at the MTV screening. This movie has so much action and crazy visuals, I doubt you would be focusing on the dialogue. Especially afterwards, you'd want to talk about the sweet sweet action scenes.

I like TPM a lot, although in hindsight I think it's probably my least favorite of the Saga. But after I saw TPM opening night, I was on stimulus-overload and thought it was the greatest movie of all time!

So we'll see how ROTS stands up to repeat viewings.

On a slightly different tangent, didn't Kevin Smith defend the Anakin/Padme scenes in AOTC in his review? I think he said something about how he understood why people wouldn't like it, but he really admired Lucas for making Darth Vader this awkward, arrogant teenager.


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BTW the last time I checked rotten tomatoes on episodes 1 and 2 they had a "fresh" rating meaning overall positive reviews.

Can someone please tell me where this "the critics hated the prequels" stuff comes from, other than the obvious sources?


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BTW the last time I checked rotten tomatoes on episodes 1 and 2 they had a "fresh" rating meaning overall positive reviews.

Can someone please tell me where this "the critics hated the prequels" stuff comes from, other than the obvious sources?


Exactly, I keep hearing everyone say that audiences were left with a sour taste in their mouth, the critics didn't like it, etc.

Every single person that I saw the prequals with loved them, or at least liked them enough not to bitch. I saw the movies in the theater many, many times, and every single time it was filled with energy. People laughing, cheering, and certainly seeming to enjoy the flicks.

People love to harp on the problems, and that's bound to happen after the 47th viewing. It's not so bad here, there's actually intelligent discussion (usually ;) ).

But on topic--great review, but I think it suffers from the fact it's the initial viewing. Everyone always seemed high on adrenaline after their first viewing, and I will be too, but I suspect after it gets time to set in and get picked apart, people will find the usual problems.

Glad he liked it, and I think it will be the best of the prequals, but the review is pretty much exactly what I expected he'd say.


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I knew this movie was going to be dark, but having not read the script, screenplay, or novel I had no idea about this part:

"Perfect example of how dark shit gets: remember the Younglings - the kid Jedis in training from "Clones"? As a result of Order 66, when Anakin invades the Jedi Temple with an army of Clone Troopers, he enters the Council room to find a gaggle of said younglings hiding behind the seats. They see Anakin and emerge, asking "What should we do, Master Anakin?" The query's met with a stone-cold Anakin firing up his lightsaber. The next time you see the kids, Yoda's sifting through their corpses on the floor."

I mean I knew from pictures that they find dead younglings, but dang I didn't know they actualy asked Anakin for help right before he kills them. That is DARK, almost makes me sick to my stomach and I love it. Does that make me sick?


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Thanks :mrgreen:

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ericrpyt has a better one :)

Anybody know when Ebert's review will debut?


Yes, ericrypts avatar is deifitely commendable :heavymetal:

Excuse my ignorance - I believe I've been around here long enough to be allowed to make a dumbarse comment - but who the hell is this Ebert dude everyone's talking about?


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Roger Ebert is a movie critic in America who has been reviewing movies for decades. I grew up watching the guy 25 years ago. His website:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

His reviews come out fairly late, I think, although I think he tends to release his SW reviews earlier than most of his other ones.


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Dr Bass wrote:
BTW the last time I checked rotten tomatoes on episodes 1 and 2 they had a "fresh" rating meaning overall positive reviews.


TPM and AOTC received "fresh" ratings, but just barely. TPM finished at 65%, and AOTC at 62%. 60% is the baseline for Freshness. Not exactly stellar. All the OT movies finished above 80% freshness. For further comparison, all the Lord of the Rings movies finished over 90%. (Just to avoid a flaming, I prefer SW to LOTR, but thats another thread, hehe.)


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all he as added was that Dagobah was not in the DLP version he saw.

Thank yoou for telling us. I was hoping he would answer that question. I saw that somebody asked it but before Kevin could answer they changed the site so you have to pay to be a member.
Cheers Hipnotic for letting us know! :)

Kinda sad that it's not in but I can live with it being a deleted scene (for the DVD).

Makes me wonder what scene(s) are different/extended for the digital version then...


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You may hate a song, but that doesn't mean the song sucks. It just means it's not for you. Others may think it's brilliant, and, afterall, it must have meant something to whoever wrote it (unless of course it was a carefully market driven creation designed to cater to specific demographics and make a much money as possible. In which case it may not have mattered to anyone, ever - but even then the original writer of the song usually manages to put something of themselves into it, before it ends up being sold to the highest bidders and commercialized and sung by a half naked female vocalist who, likewise, just wants to make money).

Holy smack, man that was funny!!


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"All the OT movies finished above 80% freshness."

No they didn't. Those are modern reviews of the special editions, with people looking back fondly on childhood memories. For ROTJ in 1983, there was a distinct group of people/critics who whined and complained just as much as people do now. And many hated the "non-ending" of ESB.

The vast majority of those "professional" reviewers are entertainers looking to sell newspapers and TV ad time. Many of them are afraid to differ from the 'consensus' opinion, and most are not really reviewing the film at all, but rather are just expressing one guy's opinion of whether they had a good time or not (there's a big difference between those two).

It's true the critics on average liked the LOTR movies better. That means very little. There's little qualitative difference between a 60% and 90% rating, given the herd mentality of these 'reviewers'.

Now, the third Matrix film got a whopping 36%! A rating that low may very well mean something.


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I was amazed, at the end of "Episode II," to realize that I had not heard one line of quotable, memorable dialogue.

No memorable dialogue?

What about..
Ani: "So we decided to come and rescue you."
Obi: "Good job."

or

Jango: "Always a pleasure to meet a jedi."

or

Obi: "He went completely the other way."

or

Padme: "I call it agressive negotiations."


Yes I aghree that the OT has much more memorable and better dialogue in general but the PT does have some moments as well. You can't write it all off as entirely bad.


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I'd hardly call those 'quotable'...

the PT dialogue isn't all bad, but th OT is definitely much better. nuff said.

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Norway wrote:
notBowen wrote:
I was amazed, at the end of "Episode II," to realize that I had not heard one line of quotable, memorable dialogue.

No memorable dialogue?

What about..
Ani: "So we decided to come and rescue you."
Obi: "Good job."

or

Jango: "Always a pleasure to meet a jedi."

or

Obi: "He went completely the other way."

or

Padme: "I call it agressive negotiations."


Yes I aghree that the OT has much more memorable and better dialogue in general but the PT does have some moments as well. You can't write it all off as entirely bad.


I think you might be confusing quotability with irony. These were sardonically funny, true. But true quotability means it has some out-of-context value. Like "Do or do not, there is no try." That is quotable, because it can be applied to other things. "Always a pleasure to meet a Jedi..."
...not so much.


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I'd hardly call those 'quotable'...

I´m rather fond of

"Mind-tricks don´t work on me, only money..."

and

"Machines making machines? How perverse!"


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"but th OT [dialog] is definitely much better."

Bullshit. It's all the same. There are numerous critical comments from the OT actors about the dialog they had to spit out.


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Kevin's comments tonight were very few but funny, the ones I can remember were, it's fucking awesome and really If you don't like this one, you're just being too fucking silly, I can't wait to see it again.

Then, I talked to him face to face for a bit and when "Sith" came up his eyes opened wider and got a happy face, reminds me of my lil nephew when he's watching "Clones" He's 4.


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Darth_Zidious wrote:
Roger Ebert is a movie critic in America who has been reviewing movies for decades. I grew up watching the guy 25 years ago. His website:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

His reviews come out fairly late, I think, although I think he tends to release his SW reviews earlier than most of his other ones.


cool, thanks... :)

has he given out any five star reviews? I couldn't find any...


He only reviews movies on a four star scale.


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As an amateur screenwriter, I've talked a bit with Kevin Smith through email. Super cool guy. Very supportive of new writers and directors. His sensibilities haven't changed after going bigtime. I trust him and his opinion, not that I'm all that concerned with ROTS, anyway.

Looks like it's going to "in" to be a starwars fan again. At least for a while.


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I think you might be confusing quotability with irony. These were sardonically funny, true. But true quotability means it has some out-of-context value. Like "Do or do not, there is no try." That is quotable, because it can be applied to other things. "Always a pleasure to meet a Jedi..."
...not so much.


Hey wait a sec now, "aggressive negotiations" can be applied to a myriad of situations. :mrgreen:

Seriously though, while I do agree that the OT in general has snappier dialogue, there are still a few gems sprinkled about the PT.

"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate... leads to suffering."

I don't know about you guys, but I hear that one quoted very, very often. (and kudos to sxp151 for mentioning it also) Heck one time I got into a corporate economics debate with a bunch of my friends and I was able to use my own version of the above line complete with Yoda voice:

"Mergers lead to downsizing, downsizing leads to unemployment, unemployment... leads to recession."

Got quite the belly laugh, even from the casual SW fans of the group.

A few other memorable bits:

"It's all Obi-Wan's fault! He's holding me back!"

Weird as it may sound, I get that one from time to time. From classmates when I asked why they'd gotten lousy grades that semester, or from friends (SW geeks and non SW geeks) when they start sucking at a video game, etc.

"Wipe them out. All of them"

Goes to show you never know which bit of dialogue will become something quotable until hearing the delivery. This one I hear as much as any OT quote.

"Then we decided to come and rescue you"

"Good job!"


That one may not be a "quote for any occasion", but it's still damn funny. :)

And for anyone who's read the ROTS screenplay (that'd be pretty much everyone here) there's definitely some good stuff there, particularly throughout the opening space battle, however I'll hold off on which become "quotable" until the film is released and the quotes start getting used. Remember delivery is also a major factor (though I'm sure Ewan McGregor will be spot on, as always).

Sure the OT definitely has a more numerous array of quotes that are used more frequently, but you also have to remember that they also have age on their side. They've had an entire generation to be fully engrained into pop culture vocabulary, and time will be the major deciding factor on whether or not any of the better PT quotes will join their ranks. However IMHO I don't think the PT is doing too shabby so far.

Sorry, didn't mean to derail the thread, but I hardly ever post and thought I'd comment on that. Carry on... :heavymetal:


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I think GL ended up being stuck with forcing 3 prequels on us when he named a New Hope episode 4. The prequels would have been better had they kept them down to two well written movies.


I strongly disagree.
The dialectic development of the main PT character Anakin (same for Luke in the OT - but to a lesser degree, because Luke didn't age that much) couldn't be described effectlively in only two movies. The key to Anakin's character development and his tragic fall to the dark side is his (egoistical) fear of loss and his lust for power in order to control. First the fear of loss of his mother, then of his wife. In order to establish this crucial development, George had to present Anakin in his childhood in interaction with his mother, then as an adolescent falling in love and losing his mother. Only after establishing these two plot points, the gradual fall to the dark side can unfold in Episode III - and is mirrored by the downfall of the Republic and the Jedi Order.
The development of all the main characters of the Star Wars saga happens in the time span of several movies, not just one film. Slow motion so to say. Something many viewers and critics obviously tend to ignore.


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here's his ep 1 review:

Kevin's Phantom Menace Review

Originally posted May 1999

I saw 'Episode One' tonight.

Hee-hee-hee! Ah - being in this business finally pays off.

The good folks at the BBC sent me to a press screening, so that I can review the flick next week for them. I offer my new Brit peeps a shoutout for that.

Of the film, I can say many things. But the long and short of it is that I liked it - quite a bit. I'd rank it right after 'Empire' in a list of fave 'Star Wars' flicks. It starts great, ends great, and has great stuff sprinkled in between.

Is there too much Jar Jar? For a small stretch, yes; but then the Binks quotient calms down considerably.

Is the kid bad? I thought he was okay. He certainly wasn't wooden, as some people have suggested. He was a kid actor - no more, no less. I will say that - while it's probably unintentional, his exhuberance juxtaposes nicely against what he eventually becomes in the stories.

Is it a puppet-heavy, CGI affair? There's a great deal of it, but not to the point where it's irritating (though the two-headed pod-race comentator was a bit much).

I think the key is to go in with low expectations. I did, and I really dug it. Dug it more with distance. I'd see it again.

The stuff I liked: Liam, Ewan, Darth Maul (who's in the 2:10 flick for maybe a half hour, tops), R2's introduction, the reappearance of the Tusken Raiders, the treatment of the Jedi as supreme badasses that are to be feared, the political subplot, the fact that Lucas slows the second act way down to introduce Anakin, and of course, the lightsaber battles. The use of the lightsaber in this flick is astounding; worth the price of admission alone.

I'm sure in about a week, it's going to become quite fashionable to bash this flick - hard. But I'd like to go on record as saying I dug it. It's a good movie with great moments.

Two things that stuck out to me, though: at one point, they refer to 'space'. Has the word 'space' ever been used in a 'Star Wars' flick before? Padme says "Space is cold." It struck me as odd, because I can't recall anyone ever using the term 'space' in the flicks before.

That, and the Viceroy of the trade commission. For half the flick, I was trying to decipher his accent - was it Jamaican, French, what? Then it came to me: he sounds like the Czech Brothers from the old SNL (or Steve Martin's 'Wild and Crazy Guy' character). Weird.

Anyway, see the flick when it comes out. It's better than half the crap out there, and it's got history on its side.

In a world of grades: B+ or A-

In a world of stars: 3 or 3 and a 1/2


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Greymarch wrote:
All the OT movies finished above 80% freshness.


Only upon re-release reviewing. Before that the real ratings were based on initial review and they were much lower. We will see what the ratings will be in 20 years when they re-release the prequels.

The media has made up the idea that most critics and fans were disappointed. It is not true and no one can make it true by saying it over and over even though they have tried.

As a side, I worked for a company that does test screenings for movies, where we give the audience a score card at the end of the show and gauge their reactions. I remember one particular movie that we tested where the audience was laughing with every joke and just seemed to be loving the movie. After the testing was over we got the scorecards back and they ripped the movie into little pieces. They all became professional critics. That was seven years ago and that movie still hasn't been released.

Audience reaction can turn into something ugly right after the movie ends. If we knew why we would not need test screenings. But I know that the TPM and AOTC exit scores were high. So people dug those movies walking out of the theater. Some changed their minds on the Internet or allowed it to be changed.


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The PT hasn't had the opportunity for memorable dialogue as much. No Han Solo, less witty banter. But every movie can't be the same. You can't always have the witty banter. The dialogue in the prequels is often perfunctory and quite straight forward, but even then its usually acceptable. And Lucas does thrive on occassions. Certainly these moments can get overshadowed by Ani and Jar Jar moments to name a few, but I certainly wouldn't call the dialogue bad. That's what lazy critics says.

slave421 wrote:
Greymarch wrote:
All the OT movies finished above 80% freshness.


Only upon re-release reviewing. Before that the real ratings were based on initial review and they were much lower. We will see what the ratings will be in 20 years when they re-release the prequels.

The media has made up the idea that most critics and fans were disappointed. It is not true and no one can make it true by saying it over and over even though they have tried.

As a side, I worked for a company that does test screenings for movies, where we give the audience a score card at the end of the show and gauge their reactions. I remember one particular movie that we tested where the audience was laughing with every joke and just seemed to be loving the movie. After the testing was over we got the scorecards back and they ripped the movie into little pieces. They all became professional critics. That was seven years ago and that movie still hasn't been released.

Audience reaction can turn into something ugly right after the movie ends. If we knew why we would not need test screenings. But I know that the TPM and AOTC exit scores were high. So people dug those movies walking out of the theater. Some changed their minds on the Internet or allowed it to be changed.


Sorry for back to back posts, but the above ^^^^ is a great point. Had to cosign this.


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I stopped caring what critics think a long time ago. There's a reason reviews appear in the same section of your local paper as horoscopes. The bovine-minded look to them for some sort of confirmation of their opinions, then say "Astrology is nonsense." when they read a review or horscope they don't like. So why not cut out the middle man and form your own opinions? Sure it can be fun to read either one, but they are at the same level of credibility.

Critics are an ignorant and petty bunch. Gene Siskel panned a movie because he didn't like the popcorn he was served. Pauline Kael reviewed movies she never watched, as did Michael Atkinson and Rex "I didn't know I had CDs in my pocket when I left the store, Officer." Reed. Roger Ebert had already made clear that he had an infantile dislike if digital cameras. I knew he was going to slag AOTC before it came out, and sure enough...

Those who can, do. Those who can't, become critics.

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jbtilley wrote:
I hate to bring this up, but this and other comments in that review are exactly the same way people were hyping up AOTC. I didn't care too much for AOTC - it came across as a movie that tried to hard to make up for TPM's mistakes (by incorporting successful elements from the OT - hand slicing bar scene, asteroid chase, boba fett, etc.). Plus the whole love story.

Don't get me wrong. It looks as if ROTS is going to be much much better (based on the novel). I just think that GL could have done a better job of it by condensing the first two prequels into one movie and tweaking the story a bit.

I think GL ended up being stuck with forcing 3 prequels on us when he named a New Hope episode 4. The prequels would have been better had they kept them down to two well written movies.


Well said. I think keeping our expectations in check is crucial to enjoying this movie. If someone thinks this movie is as good as ESB, they will be in for a rude awakening. If someone thinks this movie is somewhat better than TPM or AOTC, then IMO, that's the correct expectation.


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"All the OT movies finished above 80% freshness."

No they didn't. Those are modern reviews of the special editions, with people looking back fondly on childhood memories. For ROTJ in 1983, there was a distinct group of people/critics who whined and complained just as much as people do now. And many hated the "non-ending" of ESB.


Considering that many of the reviews written in the late 70s and early 80s are now lost for the ages, the Rotten Tomatoes freshness of the SE movies is all we have to go on. When judging the PT movies against the OT movies, I think its a legitimate barometer, although certainly not the only barometer.


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At any rate, it's still good to see a really positive review, whether you like Kevin Smith or not, or believe in film critics or not.

If he had said "wow, it was really visually appealing but Lucas kind of screwed up Anakin's fall," we'd all be freaking out WAAAAAAAAY more.


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If someone thinks this movie is as good as ESB, they will be in for a rude awakening. If someone thinks this movie is somewhat better than TPM or AOTC, then IMO, that's the correct expectation.

I expect this to be the best of the bunch, no matter what. As good and 'dark' as ESB is, it gets played the least out of all five DVDs I own. I usually go from the Battle of Hoth to Bespin (cus that floating city is awesome, same thing I love to see in the PT, awesome locations). Yoda´s speeches and the trial are good drama-pieces, but when I don´t feel like going through it all over and over again, I just jump over it or pick another film. :)


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I gotta question, as I myself am not a SW geek. I was watching Return of the Jedi last night and in it...Leia mentions she remembers images and feelings of her mother (kind, sad blah blah blah), yet luke has no recollection. How is it possible that Leia remembers and Luke doesn't? Seems to me they should both remember the same thing considering they spent the same amount of time with amidala before she dies.

Your thoughts.... :weed:


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I think you should shut the fuck up.

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WookieNutz wrote:
I gotta question, as I myself am not a SW geek. I was watching Return of the Jedi last night and in it...Leia mentions she remembers images and feelings of her mother (kind, sad blah blah blah), yet luke has no recollection. How is it possible that Leia remembers and Luke doesn't? Seems to me they should both remember the same thing considering they spent the same amount of time with amidala before she dies.

Your thoughts.... :weed:


wow, what a pertinent post to this thread.

nicely done.


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sorry peeps, got off topic there, he asked.


I thoguht it was her. Man she was hot in Rush Hour 2.


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Greymarch wrote:
I think keeping our expectations in check is crucial to enjoying this movie. If someone thinks this movie is as good as ESB, they will be in for a rude awakening.


[Mace] I don't think so. [/Mace]

Quite an arrogant statement there; how do you know I didn't enjoy AOTC almost as much as TESB? I am one of these "fans" who thinks that Episode II had a certain resemblance in mood to Episode V. At least in a couple of scenes. "Always a pleasure to meet a Jedi" - what a confrontation! I loved that scene. Same for the Tusken slaughter and the confession scenes. Same for Boba with his father's head. Same for the deployment of clone troopers at the end. Some dark stuff there.

Considering the amount and impact of the majority of scenes in Episode III - the killing of Dooku, the killing of Mace, the killing of the younglings and the burning temple, the turning of the clones, the killing of the separatists, the final duel and burning Anakin, the death of Padme, the birth of the twins and the birth of Vader trapped in his mask - I am very confident I won't be in for a rude awakening.

I know what I like about Star Wars. I like the tragedy and especially the dark elements. I knew the script of AOTC and liked the movie, I know the script of ROTS and I'll like this one even more. And I'll love the way this final episode will revaluate many scenes of the OT, particularly the father/son relationship. No doubt about that.


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hate to have to do this in an otherwise perfectly fine thread, but...

TigerAndy:

:vfuckoff:

JUMP ON BOARD: THE GET OFF MF TRAIN!!


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dude... you are so outta here!

:vfuckoff:

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No one really knows for sure at this point. It hasn't been answered definitively by anyone.


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Actually, I forget at what event, it was confirmed he's doing it.

Didn't wanna interrupt this comedy, just wanted to clear that up since Bass bothered to answer.


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Post Posted: April 30th 2005 11:17 pm
 
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Der Graf wrote:
I strongly disagree.
The dialectic development of the main PT character Anakin (same for Luke in the OT - but to a lesser degree, because Luke didn't age that much) couldn't be described effectlively in only two movies. The key to Anakin's character development and his tragic fall to the dark side is his (egoistical) fear of loss and his lust for power in order to control.


Really enjoyed your post, Graf, and I'm gald you mentioned the importance of the prequel's three act arch.

Despite the ill-will some have towards Episodes I & II, they are neceessary to both view and understand in order to fully appreciate what Lucas has accomplished with his dual triptych. I think the mirrored tones of Episodes I & IV and II & V suggest a greater statement on the idea of the hero and the hero's journey that will (hopefully) be elaborated with "Revenge of the Sith," but has since gone undiscovered by most.


Post Posted: April 30th 2005 11:31 pm
 

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I quote frequently:

"I'm so confused.."

"I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the galaxy"

"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, etc."

"Lost a planet, Master Obi-wan has.. how embarrasing".. replacing the nouns, of course.

"Shoot her, or something!"

"If it isn't in the archives, it doesn't exist!"

"And how big your.... pockebook is".. mainly because that pause somehow seems to make the harmless word "pocketbook" seem really dirty.

"To get a drink"

"I don't think she liked me watching her"

"This is a mistake, a terrible mistake, they have gone too far, this is madness!" funny mainly because of the delivery, like, "If only Senator Amidala were here.."

"She seems to be on top of things"

"There's always a bigger fish"

"Just because you can speak does not make you intelligent"

"I love the Republic.. I love democracy".. usually quoted when I'm talking about George Bush. It's funny in a Texan retard accent.

"If you practiced your saber technique as much as your wit, you would rival Master Yoda as a swordsman"

"I've given up trying to argue with you"

"Someday I will. Someday I will be the most powerful Jedi ever"

"Ahh.. victory" (accent helps)

"How wude"

There are lots.. this is off the top of my head.. I've used all these in casual conversation.. does that make me lame? Probably.. but the point is Roger Ebert is a fucktard.


Post Posted: May 2nd 2005 10:41 pm
 
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VT-16 wrote:
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I'd hardly call those 'quotable'...

I´m rather fond of

"Mind-tricks don´t work on me, only money..."

and

"Machines making machines? How perverse!"


Yeah, those are great quotes.

I've enjoyed every single Star Wars movie I've watched. I was too young for Star Wars (being born in 1977), but I do remember my father taking me to see Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi when I lived in Belfast. I can pick out problems I had with all of the movies, as an adult now, and every other non-SW movie I've seen.

But I have enjoyed every single one, thoroughly, and I will likely enjoy this one as well, flaws and all.

Máire


Post Posted: May 4th 2005 2:38 pm
 

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Have you guys seen his reply to 'abuse' on the Rottentomatoes ROTS board?

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/show ... ?p=6546369

Very very funny!


Post Posted: May 5th 2005 11:29 am
 

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GrimJim wrote:
does anyone have kevins review of AOTC?


I don't remeber if this is all of it, but I saved this:

"From the get-go, Lucas captures my limited imagination with one simple proposition. Darth Vader was once a teenager. How pedestrian,yet how profound! Evil's gotta start somewhere, right? Why not show why Johnny can't read - or in this case, can't play well with others, and insists on using the Force to choke underlings who don't live up to his expectations? From the hit-or-miss origin of Phantom Menace's take on baby Anakin as the galactic Hitler in short pants, Clones ups the ante by presenting us with the heart of darkness right where everyone's always known it lies: in the passions of a volatile high schooler.

"Right off the bat, Anakin is portrayed as a kid who thinks he knows more than he does, and insists on proving to everybody that he's as good as them, if not better. I went to high school with his guy. Granted, he didn't grow up to carbon-freeze anybody (in truth, I believe he works at a Shell station now), but had he been given a lightsaber and taught how to pull the Jedi Mind Trick on folks, he might've.

"In Clones, Anakin is a twelfth grader with a license and parents who want him home by eight: he's a disaster waiting to happen. Who else but a tortured teen leaps out of a sky-speeder to capture a bounty hunter who's talked smack about his girl (or, in the case of Clones, set loose killer centipedes in her bedroom)? With little-to-no concern for his own well-being, based largely on his assumption that he's immortal (that worst of teenage attributes), young Skywalker forces Zam Wessel's craft (how sad is it that I'm 31 and I know the name of a character who's never really identified and appears only fleetingly in the film?) to crash-land in a densely populated city, and then pursues her (it) into a bar only to watch his mentor, Obi-Wan Kenobi, make the final collar. And how does the Force-ful whelp wrap it all up with the wide-eyed cantina bystanders? He tosses them a condescending "This is Jedi business." The balls on this kid! ...

"There's something bittersweet about the fall of Darth Vader now, that hadn't existed before Clones: had his mother simply died of old age, the guy might never have developed that extreme case of asthma he seems to suffer from in Star Wars, Empire, and Return of the Jedi.

"Which leads to the most haunting moment of Clones for me: when Anakin breaks down to his puppy love, Amidala, and confesses that he butchered that no-good bunch of sand-eating bandage wearers with his hi-tech Zippo. This scene really resonated with me, because Amidala wears this expression that very quietly says 'Holy Christ I'm in love with a human time-bomb.' The sad, hopeless look on her face upon learning of his murder spree brought to mind that moment in Jedi when Luke asked Leia if she rememered what her (and his) mother was like. Leia (in what may be Carrie Fisher's finest hour in the original trilogy) reminisced that her mother always seemed sad. Here, nearly 20 years later, we get to see what Leia was talking about.

"And that's what worked best for me about the Anakin arc in Clones: the doomed love affair of Anakin and Amidala. Most of the critics dismissed this as the flick's most ham-fistedly handled aspect, but I thought it played out tragically and beautifully. High marks to both Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman, because I completely bought their relationship. He wants her desperately without really even knowing why, as do all teenage boys when they find who they assume is their one-true in high school. And even though she knows this guy is poison, she can't help but fall for him - the little slave-boy that grew up to be a conflicted, impetuous hat tank who insists everyone's giving him a raw deal. In high school, the really hot chicks always went for the massive fuck-ups, and eventually wound up married to them. But this marriage doesn't end in small town affiars and divorce; this marriage ends with the girl scattering her kids across the galaxy to save them from their father, who by that point is more machine than man."


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