Yes I'm not renewing Hyperspace either. The full trailer was shown worldwide before it was put on Hyperspace and now they are not even showing video from C3. Why continue to pay $ when all the really cool stuff is shown elsewhere before it comes to Hyperspace.

Josh Griffin is over at TFN saying a clip of the Grievous/Obi-Wan fight was shown at C3. I don't know if it's true. What do you guys that are there know about this? I don't think it can be trusted, seeing as how he said he hung out with "Michael Wood".

just FYI, there are three new videos up at the OS...

not an HS member so can't really say anything else

meh... I sure am glad I didn't renew my HS subscription again...

Nicks Intro was Cool
And Georges showed Clips of him Getting into Costume

TFN is saying the Digital version of Episode III will have Dagobah and the film version won't.
Last I heard the scene was cut completely. Anyone know if this is true?

Saw the same thing on IMDB, although original spoilers hardly ever get posted there. Probably just a rip from TF.N.

Soo... to completely not answer your question.

TFN speaks shit 24/7 so until somone else gets confirmation.. its still up in air

the C3:Matthew Woods is GG report is pretty awesome
It includes a Clip of GG and Obi-wan talking

Its hard to Understand, But Awesome

The Dagobah/digital print tidbit was supposedly mentioned by Lucas during a Q & A session after his appearance.

TFN report



The reporter doesn't sound too sure of himself though.


On the subject of Greivous' voice, I like it. I was a little underwelmed by it at first but after listening to it a number of times it quickly grew on me. It's very serial villianish and has certain vampiric Transylvanian vibe to it. Too bad they didn't put up the rest of it with the different sound stems and all.

General Rumblings: Matthew Wood on Grievous and Sound

Oh yeah thanks for link, i forgot to add it

...that's one word for it....

I can think of a few others, like: a professional voice talent spends a lifetime cultivating their craft so they don't sound like some kid in the office doing shtick. But then I'd basically be pointing out that Matt Wood isn't a professional, and Grievous has sounded embarrasingly goofy to me in every clip I've heard.

And then I'd have to sit through spittle-emitting posts with many correctly spelled words ranting about how I haven't seen the film yet so how can I say if it's stupid or not, even though it is, and I've had enough of that already.

_Mike

oh cum on mervta, michael wood is a grate acter! an how cna yo say its stoopid if u havnt evn sen teh flim yet! FSS!



anyway... I kinda agree too. I've always been worried about Grievous's voice and just Grievous in general... He does look and sound like an over-the-top old-school bad guy. But I'll give him a chance...

his dialogue sounds like stuff vader says in the OT

but that's from reading stuff in comics and the clone wars cartoons

i haven't heard enough from the actual movie yet...it worries me now

It's not as much the voice that's terrible, or the dialogue which I happen to think is quite good, but the way in which Wood speaks it. I guess it's only reasonable to expect Matt Wood to fuck up a part of this movie just like he fucked up integrating the score in Episode II.

What a poor professional.

I like the way he sounds. Grievous has always seemed like a slightly humorous character to me.

I prefer Grievous' voice in Clones Wars.

Matt Wood's voice is too tacky, I would've imagined it to be more sinister like in Clone Wars as well.

but who am I.

They should've posted a finished sound clip. Then we'd know for sure whether or not it works.

Even though I agree the CW voice was better, it sounded too much like an English Darth Vader. Which is not what Grievous needs to be, he needs to have his own distinct voice, which he seems to have (although that doesn´t mean I instantly like it). I´m getting used to it though, slowly....

Btw. notice that Vader´s voice is calm and collect while Grievous sounds angry and frustrated (though you could chalk that up to just having had his intestines crushed).

Hey, didn't this guy do the voice of Shredder in the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie?

Well, really the thing about the character that turned me off back reading the book and the script is that he is a coward. Here is this bio droid who is suppose to be some great warrior but everytime he gets into trouble he runs away. Especially during the fight with Obi-Wan on Utapau. Everytime Obi had the upper hand, GG would get on his wheel bike and run away. And this guy is suppose to be the leader of the droid armies?? With leadership like this, who needs enemies?

According to IMDb, no.



That's a shame. I mean, really? How much have we seen and heard from Grievous that you've decided not to like him? I'm not saying I like the sound clip or anything I just think that out of all the spoilers (pictures, sounds, video) we haven't really seen a lot of him. (I haven't read the book or the screenplay and if there's something in there that makes him look bad then I can understand why you don't like him).

He'll probably have just 10% of the dialogue Jar Jar did in TPM (bless him, but he had the most annoying on-screen voice in the history of film.) A few lines on the bridge of the Invisible Hand and some on Utapau, and maybe a transmission to Sidious. I think the whole movie (excepting the final duel maybe) is going to blow by much faster than we expect, i.e. after listening through the enjoyable but interminable audio book, scavenging for spoilers for 2 years, etc. The only thing I'm worried about with this film is Portman's acting; she may be good elsewhere but I'm still waiting for her to hit just one right note in this space opera.

It's nice these GG critics out themselves as idiots since they've announced they made up their minds before seeing the movie. Which means we can all ignore their ignorant rantings after the movie comes out. Thanks guys!

It's like the weeks before the release of TPM all over again! Oh Joy! :mfyd:

oh man, i might be old news on this, but i just saw the pics of the chick at C3 who was dressed as slave leia (the GOOD looking one) and omg i just about passed out, you guys gotta check this out, heres one of the pics, but there is a whole lot more on iesb:

http://inlandempirestrikesback.net/v-web/gallery/c3day2/DSC00060

i seriously can't figure out why they just didnt use the SW: Clone Wars Grevious, it sounded great to me and it would've bridged the cartoon into the movie better too. When i listen to the clips of Matt Wood voicing him, it doesnt sound the way i would imagine grevious speaking.

Maybe because the Clone Wars cartoons were gay?

Hehehe. I got my picture taken with that same girl dressed as Padme (with the ripped shirt from AOTC) at the San Diego Comic Con 2 years ago.

The problem I've had with Grievous for a while now has been that I just don't see how he fits in the film. This episode ought to be solely concerned with what happens to the principal characters that the first two episodes introduced us to, and how all of that gets us to the OT. Grievous played no part in TPM or AOTC, and he obviously is never mentioned again in the OT, so I really didn't see how he could be anything other than an unnecessary distraction. I don't need to see a cyborg/robot/whatever to understand that it's the same science that is applied to Anakin. I understood Darth Vader just fine in the OT without knowing anything about Grievous.

So to hear, in addition to all of this, that the character is being presented half-assed (I definitely didn't hear anything in that voice clip that leads me to believe they tested more than 3 people for it) is hardly encouraging.

It would have been nice if Lucas had been able to pull off one of these films without including any stupid shit. But I don't think it's meant to be.

so what does all this have to do with Matt Wood's voice acting sucking my dick?

That's exactly it. The acting is silly. It's not the dialogue, and I bet the voice wouldn't be that bad if it was acted properly, but it's spoken rediculously. It's not even 'cheesy' rediculous that I could love because it fits with star wars...it's 'Jar Jar' unneccessary and rediculous.

I must be in the minority here. His voice doesn't bother me in the slightest. They should have had the final clip with everything mixed in. A short clip, compressed as hell, without the final mix is just no way to judge either way.

I think the trick here is to not take these movies seriously. They are supposed to be fun. I just don't get all the angst anymore. ESB was on tv last night and when watching that movie through "film critic" eyes it's practically unwatchable. People who think it's the pinnacle of Star Wars movies are completely deluding themselves.

Grievous will be fine....IMO of course.

I can see most of your guys points, especially Krispies' interesting argument in this and other threads, but i will hold off any criticisms of his voice until I hear it in the theater. GG does seem kinda silly, but i think that's the point. In the novels he is portrayed as a destroyer of worlds, a kinda saddam hussein/cruel military genius. Maybe he is given this cheesy stuff to soften that history.

If you read the making of book, Lucas explains he is supposed to be a coward. He has others doing the fighting for him unless he absolutely has to. I don't think he is supposed to be this "badass" super villain wiping out jedi by the truckload like the Clone Wars cartoon portrays.

It may a plot contrivance, but if Obi-Wan doesn't go on his solo hunt for GG, the whole Anakin thing may have turned out otherwise. Without Obi-Wan around as a father figure, a calm and rational influence - his one Jedi friend really - the confusion over his Padme death dreams and Palpatine's Sith revelation send Anakin over the edge.

Also, sending Obi-Wan off Coruscant is also a way for Palpatine to get rid of either Obi-Wan or GG, who he doesn't need anymore. If Obi-Wan wins, the clones should finish him off via Order 66.

Giving Obi-Wan another solo adventure is also another way for Lucas to do his patented inter-cutting of multiple, exciting storylines. It wouldn't be as interesting if Obi-Wan is just off fighting random battle droids while Palpatine turns Anakin.

Not that Palpatine directly sends Obi off, I think he actually suggests Anakin go but he knows the Council won't send him, and then uses that as another argument to Anakin about why the Council is full of shit.

GG is the only really new character introduced (well much more significant than Tion Meddon or Tarfful etc.) Plus he makes a cool action figure.

Not to mention almost every star wars movie introduces a new mini villain that is soon offed. In the old movies it was Tarkin, Boba Fett and Jabba the Hutt (though of course his role has been expanded over time). In the new movies it's darth maul, jango fett and Grievous. It's just the way the movies have worked. You either like it or you don't I guess.

A couple of points:

Grievous was supposed to be a bad-ass Jedi killer, it's just that Lucas changed his mind about the characterization halfway through. That's why the EU has portrayed him differently up until now.

About the voice clip, I agree it sounds like a fan film voiceover. I especially dislike the way Wood says "You fool". However, the clip posted does appear to be incomplete, as the article itself states that there's supposed to be wet coughing in between the lines. I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt until I see the final product.

Hearing all these complaints about Matt Woods makes me wonder what good ol' Gary Oldman could've done with the character if it wasn't for the SAG restrictions.......



Here's hoping Wood can create something that will be compelling.

Well, of course it's a plot contrivance. But why not make that Dooku instead of Grievous? Why kill off Dooku in the first ten minutes only to bring in another bad guy who fights with a lightsaber? Obi-Wan has real history with Dooku through their connection with Qui-Gon -- their final confrontation might have been a lot more interesting.

Beyond whatever mechanics he serves in the plot, I get the feeling that the real reason Grievous was created was to give ILM another shot at doing a fully digital character.

But dooku needed to be killed by anakin. The ROTJ mirror thing plus with Anakin losing his hand to him and the whole idea of replacing Dooku as Sith Lord, the story needed a catalyst for Anakin's turn and Dooku is it. IMO it just doesn't work well with ObiWan killing Dooku.

I get this, and I got it before now; I just didn't feel like spending hours on a post explaining how things could be restructured (it's moot anyway, since they won't).

But as I've said before, this is not a recording of historical events. Lucas had a number of ways he could have put this final bridging episode together. He created an interesting and apparently very important character with Dooku in AOTC, making the guy Qui-Gon's master, making him Yoda's padawan, having him reveal to Obi-Wan that there's a Sith controlling the Senate, even giving him so much importance that Obi-Wan tells Anakin that if they nail Dooku, the war will end. Then it's all pissed away in ROTS by killing him off practically immediately, and giving more screen time to a character with the most retarded name and behavior in the entire series -- who Obi-Wan kills with a blaster. This for the episode that was supposed to be the most intense? Yeah, right.

It's odd that there are so many defenses of this character that rely on pissing on the whole series; it's supposed to be corny, it's supposed to be cheesy, it's supposed to be stupid. Yet when the films come under criticism for being corny, cheesy, and stupid, somehow those critics are attacked for their lack of understanding. Hmm.

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Count me in the "I hate the Voice" haven't like much about the character group.

Meesa so happy yousa saying dat! Yousa bombad!

I hear you, but most of the bad guys have names that obviously reference something "scary":
Vader = invader
Maul = umm maul
Sidious = insidious
Count Dooku = Count Dracula (same actor)
Jabba the Hutt = Attila the Hun, mafia names like Jimmy the Gent
Grievous = grievous
Tyranus = tyrant
Darth = dark

This is probably just another stalemate argument in the SW world where someone says something in the PT is bad and then someone else says but that thing is what SW has always been.

I'll agree that that if it wasn't for this forum, I wouldn't have understood GG was saying "Crush them" or whatever in that ad. But I have high hopes that his fighting scenes will be good.

I do hope everybody enjoys the movie.

Official info about the TV show from LFL via TFN:

100 episodes
1 hour each
based on a spinoff character
Lucas will direct first season
write season one at one time
film season one at one time
takes place between ROTS and ANH

Since when does TFN make anything "official"?

If it's not on SW.com, it isn't official. It's just speculation.