Did you watch the same footage that I just did?

Grevious looked almost insect like to me as he walked , like a preying mantis sort of thing. Looked convincing enough to me .

And the space battle footage looks superb. Bad shots? Looked pretty darn good to me, but then it is ONLY a film.

I'm sure it will look the biz on the big screen. Suppose you can always ask for a refund if it's not

"It blows that we don't see this until 3 films into the saga."

Yeah, because we didn't see it in EP I--when a 9 year old boy destroyed the Trade Federation control ship--nor in EP II, when a 19 year old Jedi flew crazily through Coruscant traffic, scaring his mentor, yet coming out of everything without a scratch.

So true...

I can only imagine what they'll say after this film.

"Yeah he flew good, but we didn't see him get a medal for "Best Pilot in the Galaxy" so that quote from the OT still hasn't been explained."

"He didn't perform a double barrel roll...I was disappointed."

"10 minutes devoted to Anakin's piloting skills just isn't enough. There should've been an entire prequel film devoted to his piloting."

Maybe it was just the fact that it was a screen on a screen in a realplayer, but I am of the opinion that- no way -are some of those fx shots in the space battle completed. Again, this could be just the multiple layers of filtration I'm viewing it through, but I would be inclined to believe that that footage was from more of a temp track, since it was on the guy's computer, without music, and with a watermark on it. Again, this is just my highly uneducated opinion, and I don't doubt that this will look fantastic on screen, unless ILM decided to regress 12 years. Which ain't gonna happen. But what I'm doing is commenting on what I saw there.
For the record, everything else was awesome. I am quite a fan of the Grevious-walk.

THe way they do that zoome out, you are flying and then all of a sudden BAM!!!! you stop, and shit starts zooming odd like you are standing on atall building and just got all dizy and went OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First couple times I was like damn that looks cool..

and for some reason, the third time watching that reveal, my jaw just hit the ground... wow thats going to be great on the big screen. Cant wait.

Yep. I'm hoping someone can upload it to their web space instead of the free hosting shite.

Here's something I just whipped up to test my Premiere Pro skills:
http://s36.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2N9K ... EEAXXM2YXZ

well, actually it took me frickin ages... it was inspired by Prod's version at KMC forums.

It's the new Space Battle footage combined with some old footage with track 1 from the soundtrack...

for some reason when I saved it it came out in 4:3 instead of 16:9 which is how I edited it in Premiere Pro. Anyone know why it does that?

it's DivX btw...

I haven't been able to see it with sound yet, but the footage looks pretty awesome. Grievous looks so stunningly real, as does the space battle. Can't wait to see it on the big screen

holly shit this fucking clip is awesome...THE SPACEBATTLE OMFG!!!!!!!!!

Err, I don't think Lucasfilm cares about videos that have not been officially released through Hyperspace.

BTW, 2-28-05 is the date, not the running time :P

Good job man! that was cool seeing the entire uninterupted sequence. Now, if only the 19th would get here quicker.

In one image it shows Anakin lying on his front, on fire and looking up at somebody (probably Obi-Wan).

The voice actor had a nasty cough during his rehersal tape and Lucas liked it so much, it became part of the character. Coughing is never cute, btw. Believe me.

And no-one had any problem with the AT-ST chicken-walk. Selective memory ain´t good in a debate.


After almost 20 years of having CGI in movies and knowing, KNOWING that there will be instances where CG looks 'off', both in this movie and in future presentations, why bother? Why bother wasting the board´s time with something so trivial and already done to death? Do you really think FX makers will read this and say "let´s wave our digital wands and make CGI universally good!"? And dismissing CGI as a tool, when it has given us plenty of shots and visual wonders that show what can be done with cinema, is downright DUMB, in my opinion.

Holy shite.

Just to give you more medical ammo for the nitpickers Fatboy, the tissue in human lungs evaporates around 170 F...well below the temperature of lava fumes/sand.

That's why scientists have to wear those tin foil space suits near volcanos.

I've heard of rubber boots melting up to fifty yards away from a lava flow. And as someone with a limited knowledge and experience in firefighting techniques just being close enough to a burning building is enough to make your lungs burn, not to mention the hazardous chemical byproducts produced by fire. Crap, I just went into technobabble mode, sorry about that.

I've been trying every viewer that I have. Can someone direct me to the proper codec for that file(s).

With the soundtrack that shit is awesome! When that hits the big screen it will be cool to follow the fighters as they dip & bank in unison then make their way to the battle.

As far as Grevious' chicken walk is concerned, I don't mind it at all. I know he supposed to be evil, but he is still just a lackey for Palps. I think it does help bring across the fact that he is not just a pure droid but a cyborg. Maybe his species of aliens actuall do walk like that. For me the evil that I know will definitely kick ass is the emperor. I guess we'll see how it plays out next month.

Try the Gordian Knot codec pack on www.doom9.org (it's in the downloads section, second link from the top).

I'll give it a shot. Thanks.

I'm curious about this supposed 'Bail escape' and 'duel' footage...

From where?

Yah for sure. The 1st guy on TFN didn't have it, and the main page said he did.

Thats supposed to be a part of this little German TV Documentary?

Oh btw, does anyone still need the current German footage? I'd be happy to upload some mirros to help people out.

ok, I know I said I wasn't going to debate this in here but I've gotta defend myself...

first of all: what the fuck?!

Not once did I dismiss CGI as a tool in cinema, and not once did I even suggest that CGI hasn't given us some great visual wonders! It has: Poggle, Watto, battle droids, etc...

secondly: of course they can't just make CGI great by the metaphorical flick of a wand. My point is they shouldn't use the technology how they often use it until the technology has reached a stage where it can be seemlessly integrated in large amount into a live actoin film.

on a more relevant note: I think that with Williams's score this space battle is gonna be spectacular! and what's the deal with this Bail and Duel footage, this is the first I've heard of it... is there more?

The thing is, they need to work on integrating CGI with movies the way they are now. How do you think CGI has taken so many vast steps over the past decade. I doubt fx houses have the money to use unconventional methods, while "developing" CGI for future use. Cgi wasn't perfect when it was first integrated into movies, and it aint perfect now. But it sure has hell has taken great strides even in the last 6 years (inbetween TPM and ROTS for example).

Each year CGI takes another step, and I see a flick and think, "yeah it's getting less and less in your face and distracting". Thats the only way their ever gonna get it to be a perfect looking FX method, not by developing it in their spare time.

That's a very good point. You're right, the technology wouldn't move forward if they didn't use it now. I hadn't thought of that before.

I just think Star Wars deserves better than some of the VFX we've seen in the PT (and some of the traditional FX in the OT for that matter).

But you make a very good point.

That´s funny, I must have read " I just hate CG... " wrong, then? You sure didn´t sound like an endorsement.



Then why prepare to bitch about something that´s been bitched about for years already? And that they can´t change simply because you want it?


Why not? SW is one of the few films who actually make most of these shots look good, even in great quantity. I see no reason to step back, since every single episode has raised the bar and added to the previous FX efforts.

If I said that (and it does sound like something I'd say) I misspoke and I apologise. Perhaps a more accurate way to express my feeling would be to say "I just hate CG when it looks like CG" which is often the case (not only in SW films).

It's not like I'm getting ready to start my bitching the second I get home from the theatre and again I'm sorry if I came off that way. I wouldn't call it bitching either... It's just that I can see that I will have problems with FX shots in this film (as I do with CG in many films) and I don't intend to hold my comments on them back.

I agree that they have raised the bar each time. And I definitely think ILM has shown some of its (and the industry's) best work in these films. I just don't think the bar is high enough yet. Like I said I just think Star Wars deserves better than some of the VFX shots it's delivered.

but I respect that people have different opinions and some have no problem with this sort of thing and I will not attempt to convert you to the 'anti-CG' camp. (even though I may come off that way I'm not anti-CG... when it's done right)

wow, how did this turn into an anti-cgi argument...

this argument is so pointless, if cgi isn't the future of movies, we'll start to see 1950's effects again...and whoever vouches for that is just retarded. Argument over.

Devil Dodo, you ALSO said you weren't going to post any more in this thread about it

As to the footage, Grievous looks very cool... those saying that the Clone Wars cartoons can't be considered are, I believe, wrong. Lucas HAD to have given them instruction to have Mace hurt Grievous like that -- that can't be an arbitrary occurrance. As someone else mentioned earlier in the thread, not much time has passed between Grievous leaving the surface and the scene of Grievous arriving on the bridge of his ship that we see in the clip. He's hurting, and it's because Mace hurt him.

The space battle looks awesome. One big, continuous shot of the Jedi starfighters zooming through this immense space battle. Absolutely gorgeous.

May 12th can't come soon enough!

Thats a good amount of footage...now why didn't we get half as much on 60 minutes here in the states? oh well, at least we can see it anyway...and if you speak german I guess its even better...damn, I need an translator.

yeah, I know. But people keep arguing with me... I'll stop now.

I fixed my space battle cut a bit:

http://s24.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2O6K ... AVMZOQMOLX

I think it works really well with the score and uninterupted. Can't wait to see it on the big screen.

The first part flows nicely but the last part is still kinda choppy. It's in the correct aspect ratio now too 16:9.

tell me what you think

actually it says 2:28:05, its the date!

If everyone thought like that, there would be NO sci-fi or fantasy films, since everyone would be waiting for them to "get it right". I mean, did people in the early days say "That stop-motion monkey took me right out of the movie!" or "That one shot in 2001 shows the spacepod is just inserted in front of a star-background, I want my money back!"

Waiting for perfect effects doesn´t make sense since they´re still years away. I have yet to see a film with perfect effects in every single scene.

I agree with that... they are years away from perfecting it, if they ever do. I just think that some of the VFX shots could have been achieved through more traditional methods (ie practical FX) and looked more realistic.

I think it is possible, once the computers get advanced enough and the renderings become insanely detailed. Then we´ll also get photo-realistic humans as well >___< (I´m giving Lucas credit here, he may use digital stuntdoubles but he does hire actual actors in the first place.


But they do that as well. The number of "bigiatures" in ROTS is impressive and even got their own webdoc. (The sinkhole, Mustafar, Kashyyyk trees etc.) I even think AOTC had more models than the entire OT.

This is right. After watching that doc about the second Clone Wars installment, it was said that Lucas went to the studio and asked them to animate the crawl. He probably wanted an explanation for the way that Greivous walked and coughed. If the last of the CW was set only five minutes before the opening of the movies like was stated, and the space battle is an estimated 20 minutes, then you have Greivous having NO time to get repairs. 25 minutes tops. I think it's great that Mace is responsible for the way GG is fucked up.

He's not that way in the rest of the CW cartoons. Mace done served him Jedi style.