Not to hijack the thread but creatively TPM is not better then ANH. It just isnt. There arent any new themes beside the Fate of the duels (which is fantastic) and the action cues are rather bland and boring.

But if you prefer TPM score of the ANH one then more power to ya

Re: jar jar

I think he was the result of Lucas just loving the cgi possibilities and nothing more. IMO, he was a complete waste of money and time. The slapstick stuff belonged in a muppet movie but not in a SW. But i knew that was coming after watching the ROTJ SE anyways...

and what is that shit about not being tolerant when i say that i didnt care for jarjar? He was just not a good character. And mean sure, im all for good comedy and funny moments but farting jokes? give me a break...




Please for the love of god, tell me your joking right?

Please tell me you know how to read someone's whole fucking, post right?

OT fanbois make me laugh. ANH is the absolute weakest movie of the entire OT. The thing that makes ANH great is that it was a huge achievement in cinematic history. The flow of the story was the poorest of the OT, and in fact it suffers from many of the same character development and dialogue flaws as all of the Star Wars movies directed by GL.

for me, seeing them as two seperate sets of trilogies, makes it all better in my head...

trying to compare OT with PT just seems to me to be comparing apples and oranges...

but if you look at the OT and say, "damn thats a good looking apple, "

and the PT and say, "damn, thats a mighty fine orange, "

Then you can respect that though they share a name, they are very different pieces of cinematic work,

As for the acting, I just came across this quote in the making of ROTS book.

George Lucas (on the script): "The last thing to be dealt with is the dialogue, because that you can change on the set or even afterword-you know, I'm not know for my dialogue. [laughs] I thnk of it as a sound effect, a rhythm, a vocal chorus in the overall soundrack. Mostly, everything is visual."

I actually enjoy the dialogue, that's what makes Star Wars so great.



A lot of my favorite lines from the OT were improvised on the set. I remember reading somewhere about a half dozen Solo lines like, "Don't get cocky!" were done on the fly by Ford (along with the "I know" one).

I think the acting/dialogue is close for both films. I love AOTC, but even I'll admit the fireplace scene could've been done much better. Kershner said the Empire love story had the same hokey dialogue like AOTC, but he told the actors to do their own thing.

All that being said, I just don't think the dialogue will ever be exceptional unless someone else (like Ford or Kershner did) steps up and adds something to the mix. But in the end it's all about the action anyway.

I know! You'd think we were talking about a movie or something!

What's funny is that a movie like Gone with the Wind, the most successful movie ever made when inflation is taken into account, would get ripped to shreds if released today. The acting would be completely derided and the love story blown off as crap.

Gees, laugh it up fuzzball.

Seriously, fanbois? whats that? Now its a crime to be a fan of the OT? Listen if you love the PT more power to you. But at the same time respect others having a different opinion then you.

As for ANH being the weakest, thats a pretty bold statement to make...

Actually, I don't love the PT more. I think that both trilogies are good in their place. But, I do believe that EP1, 2, and 4 are the weakest of the 5 so far. George Lucas comes up with great ideas, but his implementation can often be lacking. Dialogue is not one of his strong suits. I enjoy all of the movies, but I do admit there are more cringeworthy moments in 1+2 than the rest. I think the biggest problem with EP2 is that so much time was spent on making it visually stunning, that the character development fell to the wayside.

And in my opinion, ANH is still the weakest movie in the original trilogy.

Like whenever Hayden speaks

Sometimes I think I'm the only one who actually LIKED Hayden in Episode II. The only Star Wars moment the makes me cringe is the music sequence in ROTJ SE.

But back to the topic. I've been watching ESPN all day and haven't seen an ad yet. Anyone else seeing these on TV. Bring on the ROTS media assualt!

Theres no question that 1 and 2 are the weakest, imo.

Talking about this is like hitting a already to death beaten pinata but its still fun to hit some loose pieces

yeah i wish i could delete that chapter from the dvd... hehe

Well I don't think 1 and 2 are the weakest personally. I really like 2 a lot of the time as well.

jpeters I think Hayden was spot on as Anakin in Ep2. I think people that don't like him just don't like the character. But IMO he's perfect.

I saw Tragedy on Nick at Nite last night.

Anyone seen the pringles star wars TV ad yet?Was that a milli-second of new footage i saw there?

Oh geez. Interllectual? So it got a little sidetracked, nothing wrong with it.

Its not like someone was screaming "WHY IS ANIKINS HAIR SO CURLY"

Sheesh

Anyone with that avatar should avoid using "intellectual" in any of their posts.

This could explain why so many people don't have a problem with it. No such thing as bad acting? The PT is for you then.

ESB was the best because Irvin Kershner directed it. Kershner was a director of small, relationship based movies before then. George stayed away after setting the story and supervising visual effects, etc. Someone else wrote the screenplay. That was a winning combo. That and there was a movie studio (20th Century Fox) to knock some of the rough edges off of it (studios are a double-edged sword here).

ROTJ probably sucked the most out of the OT because Lucas distanced had distanced himself from the Director's Guild and had to hire a subpar director (he wanted Spielberg) as a result.

Not that it's all bad acting in the PT. I've always liked Ian McDiarmid, Ewan McGregor, Frank Oz, Christopher Lee, and Liam Neeson. Most of what they do is great. I also thought Watto was a great character with some really good dialogue and delivery. Too bad it was from a minor character though.

Well, you have a point there FB. I've been lurking on this board for quite awhile, and so many of you make me laugh. Hence the name "lolz." But, I digress. Every time someone around here doesn't agree with a thread they break out the worn, tired TF.N card. It's the lowest form of argument on the Internet. It's ironic, because that is the same kind of crap that is so prevalent on TF.N.

http://www.pringles.com/_starwars/img/tvspot.mpg

We wouldn't have ANY OF THIS, if it weren't for the sucess of ANH.

We got the point, lets just drop it now.

Pandora's box successfully opened. I see both of your points. At the same time, flinging TF.N commentary is just as useless as arguing about the quality of the films in a commercial thread. There is the pot and the kettle and all that nonsense, but I don't want to get started down that path today.

Do you people just not get it?

Shut the fuck up, go stick your dick in a garbage disposal and stop treading over the same ground that you've been going over for the last 7 fucking years.

I have been on these boards as a ghost for many years. It has only been since recently that I have aquired a username here. I have read this ENTIRE thread. Here are my conclusions...I am 20 years old, I love the PT just as much as the OT, do you know why? Because it is not 2 trilogies it is ONE STORY. I feel that AOTC is better than ANH, TPM, and I know all you fan boys are going to scream and bitch, but its almost as good as ESB. All of you have to realize that george lucas created the PT galaxy full of life, emotion, and colors, which contrasts the OT's death, shadows, and lack of color. The dialects used are completley different for obvious reasons, it is a different era in the galaxy. If you look at both trilogies they are both over-exaggerated in there tones, the OT is overly boring and dark, the PT is overly colorful and full of emotion (everywhere). So the acting would seem completely different. Get over this entire acting bullshit. I was born right smack in the middle of the OT and the PT, I have no bias, I love the story, but I know that I would much rather watch the PT when ROTS is on dvd than the OT. And hayden's actin as a 19 year old is on par, realizing that he grew up with no peers only a master who was 16 years older and very wise, of course hes going to sound more passionate than most 19 year olds, all of his friends are like over 30 years old. Anyways i was 17-18 when AOTC came out, and I enjoyed the emotion he gave off, i could relate with him. Keep poking at portman:hayden acting, Mark Hammil is shit. I guess just realize that if the OT came out after the PT, you would think hammil:fisher actin sucked compared to the PT...its all a matter of prespective. ROTS WILL beat out ESB/ROTJ anyday, i know it...and stop ruining the expierence because most of you guys are going to walk into that movie to walk out dissapointed.

Telling people to stay on topic is off topic! Is this the only message board you have ever frequented in your life? There is no way you will ever keep each thread down to only one topic. Even if the moderator was the anti-christ himself, that would never happen. It's just a fact of message board life, and it doesn't do you a damn bit of good to keep ranting about it. People will keep posting because they can.

I say we lock this thread and send it off to the trash compactor.

Stick a fork in it, its done.

The whole point of message boards are to communicate, share ideas, and have dialogue. If you locked every thread that steers off topic, eventually you would have to lock them all. The beauty of a message board is that no one is forcing you to read what is written. If you don't want to rehash what you consider "old hat," then by all means you are free to skim over what you deem unnecessary.

I have been on these boards as a ghost for many years. It has only been since recently that I have aquired a username here. I have read this ENTIRE thread. Here are my conclusions...I am 20 years old, I love the PT just as much as the OT, do you know why? Because it is not 2 trilogies it is ONE STORY. I feel that AOTC is better than ANH, TPM, and I know all you fan boys are going to scream and bitch, but its almost as good as ESB. All of you have to realize that george lucas created the PT galaxy full of life, emotion, and colors, which contrasts the OT's death, shadows, and lack of color. The dialects used are completley different for obvious reasons, it is a different era in the galaxy. If you look at both trilogies they are both over-exaggerated in there tones, the OT is overly boring and dark, the PT is overly colorful and full of emotion (everywhere). So the acting would seem completely different. Get over this entire acting bullshit. I was born right smack in the middle of the OT and the PT, I have no bias, I love the story, but I know that I would much rather watch the PT when ROTS is on dvd than the OT. And hayden's actin as a 19 year old is on par, realizing that he grew up with no peers only a master who was 16 years older and very wise, of course hes going to sound more passionate than most 19 year olds, all of his friends are like over 30 years old. Anyways i was 17-18 when AOTC came out, and I enjoyed the emotion he gave off, i could relate with him. Keep poking at portman:hayden acting, Mark Hammil is shit. I guess just realize that if the OT came out after the PT, you would think hammil:fisher actin sucked compared to the PT...its all a matter of prespective. ROTS WILL beat out ESB/ROTJ anyday, i know it...and stop ruining the expierence because most of you guys are going to walk into that movie to walk out dissapointed.

Well shit, if you want to split hairs it is off topic. It causes as many problems as the people who are off topic in the first place. It's not a help, it's a hinderance. The only people who should be saying to stay on topic are moderators, and when they do none of this conversation will be here anyway.

And who's childish? haha

Yeah these were very cool!

I really love it here... so quiet, and peaceful...

The commercials are great! I really enjoyed all the new footage.

and as for portman's delivery of the"breaking my heart" line, I can say, as a chick
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That, when we get all emotional, and crazy pissed at you damn boys for making us crazy, sometimes our voice gets a little squeaky, and it does sound like ass... I think the girls will understand the squeak, cause, at least for me, and the girls I know, its true to life.

all around,
Tradgedy- A-
Unleashed- C+
Teaser- B

Aww, shut up lolz.

Cool down. Take a deep breath, guys!

The scene at the end of the 'Tragedy' clip where Anakin suddenly yells "No!" and attacks with his lightsaber reminds me of the end of ROTJ when Vader makes the last second decision to save Luke by tossing Sidious down the Death Star's reactor.

From what I understand about this scene, Anakin is making the sudden choice to save Palpatine from a similiar fate. Coincidence?

I watched Tragedy...it was nice...though I didn't like the delivery of "the jedi turned on me, don't you turn on me". I dunno. I know it was taken out of context, but the inflection in his voice felt like it should have been different. But, I will wait to make final judgement on May 19th. I liked the nooooo.

Sadly, my cable internet is messed up and it took me ages to download it.

i thought tragedy was cool, but it was no where near as moving as the trailer because it lacked the sad music when obi wan yells you were the chosen one

Perhaps - unless we have already done so - we could get into a discussion about what ANAKIN is yelling "Nooooo!" about/ or to whom/ or what situation could be taking place that would cause him to have such a strong reaction?
I remember in ATTACK OF THE CLONES, YODA is hearing thru the Force - just as ANAKIN is slicing and dicing the TUSKEN RAIDER camp a series of 3 audible sounds:
- QUI-GON JINN calling "ANAKIN! ANAKIN!" followed by,
- a voice yelling "Noooooooo!" followed by
- breathing that sounded like VADER's respirator.

Personally I think ANAKIN's "Nooooo!" in the teaser TRAGEDY is what YODA hears in ATOC and that ANAKIN is reacting to the death of PADME and OBI-WAN just happens to be the lucky guy who tells him and now ANAKIN is about to wail on his former Master.

I think the 'Nooo' Yoda hears in AOTC is from when Vader finds out Padme is dead at the end of the movie.

In the TV spot, Anakin's NO! is in Palpatine's office where he is about to slice off Mace's arm.

Usual mumbo-jumbo, long-time lurker, etc.

I enjoyed the commercials,especially the Tragedy one, although why the powers that be put that awkward daaamp! at the end of the other two right after half-way through the Imperial theme boggles my mind. I could see the parallel mentioned before, between Anakin's "No!!!" scene and the one in ROTJ when Vader is torn between his master and his son. Right down to looking at Mace, then down to Palpatine

To me, the "Nooo!!!!" I heard in AOTC sounded a little more like Qui-Gon, but only a little. CoGro's interpretation sounds pretty good to me, it makes sense.

someone on another forum (not TFN) has seen another new TV spot! on Comedy Central...

he's trustworthy and I believe him...

anyone else seen it?

it has Yoda vs. Sidious, Greivous taking off cape, and old space battle...

keep an eye out for it!

he said about 6:25...

is that iraqi time or what

he said it was on during 'comedy central presents'...

I was too lazy to read through six pages so,


In the Tragedy Spot at 13 seconds, is the scar on the wrong eye of Anakin ?

The no you hear in AOTC is 100% qui gon. I read this in interviews with Liam neeson about how he was surprised his voice was edited in. Also on the dvd if you turn on subtitles, it says "qui gon" next to the line.

The scene was flipped to coincide with the Palpatine scene directly before it in the commercial. The correct scene can be seen in the trailer.