DOTF is too impersonal for Obi-Wan VS Anakin. It works for an impersonal, higher hand quality that Maul VS the Jedi had, or in the case of ROTS, Yoda VS Sidious.

BOTH works very well with Anakin VS Obi-Wan. It has the right emotional quality for it.

As for Amidala's theme, having Across the Stars in TPM wouldn't have been a bad idea. Don't get the idea of the throne room theme though, perhaps the original Rebel fanfare.

They definetly missed alot of places with scoring the prequels, particularily Episode II, I can't argue that. But let's see how the actual scoring comes out with ROTS, and hope it doesn't turn out like AOTC's did.

Higher resolution allows for the outline of a penis to be seen...


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Thank you Darthy and the Dude as well.

Excellent!

(@ Darthy and the Dude, not the penis thing)

These sound amazing.

Thanks DP and the Dude, this is making Conan that much better.

Of course, I'm ignoring the white elephant in the room (the penis thing).

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AWESOME! You guys rock!

It's like choosing a fine wine. Some people just can't appreciate the difference. That, or it could just be your speakers.

No offence, but you people who are disappointed with the soundtrack should remember that the score was not written to please your exact musical taste. It would be really, really silly if it was. If you are a little more open-minded towards it, take it for what it is and accept that both times and Williams has changed, you will have a better time when May 19. arrives! *That* I can assure you!

I completely agree that 1980 was a golden era for many things, including films, hard rock, tv-shows etc. Most great things, as far as what I like is concerned, were made then. But unfortunately it's not 1980 any more. Many things that are not around anymore affected Williams into writing the magic that is the OT scores. It will never be done again.

Me too. Regardless of any issues I may have with the soundtrack, I'm still buying it the first day it comes out. For now I'm content with the 128k version until the CD & DVD combo arrives in stores.

This may have been said over the last 14 pages, but after listening to Battle of the Heroes 10 times in the last hour, I finally got it: the main riff, which we first heard in the Tragedy ad, IS the main riff from Duel of the Fates, but slowed down by eight times the speed. Listen closely, it is the same. How appropriate. Again, John Williams is amazing. I didn't hear it at first, but that is the sith theme that is the main theme for BotH. Wow.

Are there any other themes that have been laid into new songs that aren't obvious? Themes that have been drastically distorted by either tempo or re-harmonizing a chord line? Knowing JW, there are lots. Again, not obvious re-uses of Force themes and Vader themes, but obscure reuses like the Augie's Band being a version of the Emperor's theme.

Thanks again DP. Too bad I need to get up in 4 1/2 hours, but this is SOOOOOOOOOOOO worth it!

You're right about the Emperor's theme and the end of The Phantom Menace. I'm playing both BotH and Duel of the Fates on my guitar, and they don't really appear quote one another. They can bridge into one another, they are similar enough in that respect, but it's not just slowed down, even when moving a few notes here and there. The bridge does seem to quote a little bit of the bridge for Duel of the Fates though.

Anakin vs. Obi-Wan

I got to say that this soundtrack is very nice. Isn't exactly memorable, but I figure that after you listen to it several times that you will start to pick up on a few parts as your favorites.

But as for track 5 (General Grievous) I wouldn't say Congo, I would say Jurassic Park. That track reminded me so much of The Raptor Attack and T-Rex rescue/finale it's not funny.

Bravo to the guys who are making it availible to the rest of us! BRAVO!

very jurassic park. thought that myself.

It's certainly Williams's most melodic, and therefore memorable, popcorn movie score since Jurassic Park and Schindler's List.

How does it compare to my three favourite Williams scores: "The Empire Strikes Back", "Raiders of the Lost Ark", and "E.T."?

Very favourably.

Bravo, Maestro Williams, bravo.

Good morning.

Please keep all bootleg soundtrack mp3 links off the public boards. What you do via private messages, instant messengers, and email is your own business.


Keep all mp3 links off the public boards. You can chat about and review the soundtrack all you want.

I do find it wierd that folks are making such a big deal out of comparing this soundtrack to other williams scores (and The Man With No Name - Empire, Raiders and Close Encounters (a forgotten classic, would have won the Oscar if Star Wars hadn't nabbed it), followed by Star Wars and ET nail it for me!)
JW is a one of a kind music making machine, but in such a clever and subtle way that he references his previous material, not in an obvious way but with some finese.
And I'm still impressed that aBa is a fella :-)

Ok, problem with this is that, based on the TPM and AOTC soundtracks, I'd bet anything that the music we hear on this soundtrack after the main title has nothing to do with the opening sequence. I bet it's actually music from later in the movie tacked onto the main title music. And that's why it sounds so jarring. I bet the actual music in the film isn't as awkward.

No matter what people think of Williams or the ROTS score, Williams is the only film-composer active today that manages to move *me* with his new music. And let me tell ya, that's not an easy task!

Those who noticed elements of DOTF in BOTH are latching onto something more delicate than an actual quoting of theme, there's an underlying similarity in the structure that is quite subtle. Also, there's an element of Across The Stars that I haven't noticed anyone pick up on yet. In a way, I think Battle Of The Heroes is what would happen if Duel Of The Fates and Across The Stars had a musical baby, if you will.

And it works tremendously.

As for other songs with a DOTF feel, Anakin's Dark Deeds comes closest.

I see nothing wrong with comparing JW works with his other movies. Every single music score he does has elements of the other movie work that he has done. I've noticed that the music in the "Explorer chasing them down the tree" from JP has some elements from ESB.

Nothing wrong with that all. JP remains one of my favorite movie soundtracks of all time. The opening and ending theme song is just so damn beautiful.. especially the piano opening to it... "so damn beautiful"

I don't see it as weird. Would it seem weird to compare all of the other GL directed movies to each other?

the General Grievous track also has some Jurassic Park to it, and I don't mind it at all really. It's just Williams.

Oh, I don't believe that for a second. We know the movie starts off with a massive space battle. It's the music from the opening of the film.

I'm willing to bet you're wrong. Perhaps parts of it are, but not the whole thing.

Very true. In fact, what I've heard so far sounds to me like Williams doing inverted varations on other Star Wars motifs. I've never once thought of Jurassic Park or Harry Potter here, but I do think of JP or HP when listening to some of his other recent scores.

I and many others are with CoGro here. Still, I wouldn't mind if I was wrong. if we don't find out for sure before it, I'll let you know for sure late on May 12th.

For some reason, every time I listen to Anakin's Dark Deeds at the 3:17 mark I want to hear the Force theme in the background. Does anyone else think that it would go great right here behind the main theme of this section?

By the way, love this soundtrack. Really love Anakin's Dream, BotH, Anakin vs. Obi-Wan, Anakin's Dark Deeds, Padme's Destiny/Birth of the Twins and A New Hope.

Which charity screening are you going to? I'll be at the one in DC...

Someone care to hook a brother up?

Me too!

I live in Ft. Washington, MD. My best friend and I will be at the Uptown that night, as well as on the 19th.

The reviews are finally starting to roll in.


from: Film Score Monthly

Just like on this board, nobody can seem to agree on BotH. It seems to have a love/hate relationship developing.


From: Movie Music UK http://www.moviemusicuk.us/revengesithcd.htm

The UK guy called it "disappointing," and then says, "I’d probably place it fifth in the all time list: better than Return of the Jedi, but no match on the other four."

Worse than clones?

Nevertheless, good reviews if you like reading that sort of thing. There's a lot more interesting thoughts for the soundtrack buffs.

Stay tuned to http://www.jwfan.net for more reviews.

I'm stupid and not good with music, but is there any bits of the emperor's theme in there anywhere? thx

I don't care how much schooling a critic has in music, if you think the AOTC Score > ROTS Score you're opinion is invalid and especially saying that ROTJ is the worst score of the series. I only HOPE the music for ROTS could be as good as ROTJ and I'd be happy.

No shit. ROTJ is one of the strongest scores of the series, neck and neck with ANH, second only to ESB. How can you rate the mostly under-scored, percussive, rehashed AOTC score ABOVE the score that gave us the Emperor's Theme, the fantastic Rebel/Battle of Endor Theme, The Dark Side Beckons (great cue that scores Luke's defeat of Vader), the incredibly poignant fadeout of the Imperial March during Vader's Death, etc.

Moviemusicuk Dude's Opinion: Invalidated.

I think Demodex has it right. According to the 'Making of' book the cue 'Revenge of the Sith' doesn't show up until the end of the 6th reel (6M9). I broke it all down on page 8 that matches up the cues to specific scenes, at least where there suppose to show up (lord knows that it could change).

Seen her cans in The January Man? They're the only things that made that movie watchable.

I used to think that the only film composer who ever outdid John Williams was John Barry, but only when it came to tearjerker music. The first part of Anakin's Dream is right up there with (if not higher than) Somewhere In Time, Robin and Marian or Mary, Queen of Scots. I was actually moved by it, and I haven't been affected by a piece of music in years.

I love John Barry. Anakin's Dream doesn't come any where near Barry's classic tracks like Midnight Cowboy and the Bond song You Only Live Twice(or a lot of Bond music).

BotH is more emotional in my opinion

Can someone PM me a link to the ROTS soundtrack?

Listening to the misic more and more it continues to grow, but I listened to the ANH soundtrack earlier and realised something.
The prequel soundtracks are much `busier' than the originals. and I think I've figured out why. When JW scored the OT, for the most part, he would have been working off a complete edit of the film, so his cues could flow naturally and without being chopped up. There are plenty of scenes in the OT where his music would flow from one scene to another, but in the PT it seems more likely that there would be an edit in the music to denote this (because GL would have changed things around, order of a scene, rehot or removed etc) Also, with less SPFX he had less to react to onscreen, so the themes and music could flow more naturally. In the PT there is so much going on onscreen that his music is constantly reacting to something.
I will most likely have lots of disagreements on this, and I am no music expert myself, but I thik that explains a lot of the differences between the two trilogies musics.

I don't think so... we'll just have to wait for the cd release to get hold of a high quality version.

Well, there's a larger pack available of the whole album which claims it's a VBR version (it's 90-something megs, where the first version is 66 or so). I've got no idea whether it's better or not though.


As for being "busier", yeah, if by busier you mean choppier, I'd agree. ESPECIALLY with this album, there's a number of the tracks where the edits just "pop" to different music. Very little transition, and I'm not talking about hitting a sting or something to emphasize a transition or event. There's alot of stuff that just sounds like someone spliced in another track. "The Immolation" is still utterly PERFECT, though...if only the film can live up to what Williams has written for that sequence.

256kbps tracks have been out since Tuesday from the same people who world premiered the 128kbps tracks "MF"

I've been listening to this soundtrack fairly regularly since its first posting here on MF - sometimes focusing on it, sometimes having it on in the background.

I honestly envy those who are finding it grows on them, or gets better with subsequent listenings; I'm finding the opposite to be true. There are moments - a few moments - that I really like, and I can't wait for them to come on... like much of track 10 and 12, but by-and-large...

...and I really think track 8 is weak sauce for a soundtrack album, no matter how cool it is in film context.

It's futile to tell someone that they shouldn't like something they like; it's like trying to tell someone they're laughing at something that isn't funny. And we can offer all sorts of critical analysis in both directions to "prove" our positions. But the curve is irreparably wacked: there are plenty of members here who would gush if the sountrack was simply a recording of Williams going to the can.

For me, I'm sort of hoping that he was excited about writing the score for War of the Worlds, because I think he's as done with Star Wars as he is Harry Potter.

_Mike

I love John Barry's music, too (I stopped watching Bond when he stopped doing the scores.), but since when are the Midnight Cowboy and You Only Live Twice themes tearjerkers?

I put the first notes of Anakin's Dream right up there with Somewhere In Time.

The Midnight Cowboy theme is tragic, it's not a happy theme by any means, especially when you get to the end of the movie and see how it's used in conjunction with Ratzo's death. You Only Live Twice is a very eloquent song, again almost tragic. You opted to compare Somewhere in Time with Anakin's Dream, I went for what I felt were more apt comparisons because I think MC and YOLT are stronger and more timeless pieces of music.

I was thinking more tearjerker than tragic.

To each his own, but Somewhere In Time hasn't been butchered and raped by Robbie Williams...

... yet.