What the Hell is your problem? This ain´t comedy night and you´re no comedian. Court Jester, perhaps, but that´s it.

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I don´t need no goddamn toys to enjoy a movie.

Awaiting further EDIT updates with the strange floating apostrophe. Standing by.

Haha...

I actually just told one of my friends I feel this could end up being the worst prequel of them all but not for acting reasons which looks largely improved. I definitely have my doubts as of late.

At least I can claim English is not my first language (written or otherwise), alot of poor spellers on the internet don´t have that kind of safety-net.


My money´s on Devincf or an AICN Talkbacker.

Maybe he is the ONE guy out of all his friends to not get hired at ILM.
Jealousy does strange things to people.

Oh wait I got it! He's a Trekkie! He probably goes to the prequels dressed like Data.

If so, what is a plasma conduit?

Sticks and stones can break my bones, but an angry mob chasing me around, flailing plastic lightsabers and sporadically stopping to suck on their inhalers ... doesn't.

Thanks for the laughs, guys.

Bezo, did you move to CA without telling us?

Pablo posted this at the OS: (Pablo's answers in bold):

Scene 75 (according to the ebook script) CPA-4 (Anakin confronts Padme, but says that he's not the Jedi he once thought he was) is cut according to the Making of Book.

That scene's still in the movie. Or, at least, was in the movie as of February.

Pablo, can you explain why the GENERATOR ROOM and VENT SHAFT scenes are in this script? Weren't they deleted a long time ago?

This Illustrated Screenplay, like the previous ones, includes scenes known to be cut from the film, but that still exist ... or still "happen" ... as far as the story is concerned.

I'm happy that scene 75 made it in the film as of February as they were doing the score. I'm hoping it last until May.

That scene is a good transition scene between when Kenobi leaves for Utapau and when he arrives.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if that scenes still there, that leads to the idea that the Obi-Wan/Padme scene before it is still in as well, right?

I have a hunch that they'll cut that first portion out about Obi-Wan and Padme meeting that morning.

They'll cut around it like they did with the apartment scene in Attack of the Clones with Anakin and Padme. That scene was much longer in the script and they just cut out middle section of it.

That's just a guess but I think that's how they'll do it.

Pablo on whether Qui-Gon's V.O. is still on the film:



Whatever that means.

He's gotta be in...with the novel and script out, he could've come right out and said it was cut...he's gotta be in.

I sure hope so, I can't think of any logical reason why that scene should be cut.

Yeah, that was the other possibility in my mind. And likely what they'll do to keep the rest of that scene in.

Curious. Is there anybody here that flat out thinks the script sucks and that the story is rediculous?

Put aside the dialogue for a moment. Ignore the corny lines. Who honest to God finds the story unbelieveable and stupid? That's Anakin's fall is stupid and that Lucas has completely botched the movie.

I really want to know this, and for those who do feel this way, their reasons.

Yeah, two guys who don't like Lucas or his work, but can't seem to fucking stop talking about him.

They can't move on. They're like the whiny boyfriend who just got his ass dumped and can't let go.


I don't think all of her scenes have been cut. Back when she was announced to be in ROTS, I never thought she would have much to do, but I thought it was a cool and needed little connection to the OT.

She's still in the background, but she no longer has any lines, supposedly.

Those trivial pursuit clips are not final. The audio seems to be from on set for some of them. ADR will redo some of those lines. JW's music is not there. Other TP clips are edited and hacked up compared to the screenplay. The TP clips are not a basis for judgment.

I was 8 when star wars came out. I've loved it since the beginning. Like many of you I spent a lot of allowances and paper route money on toys, gum cards, books, comics and all of that. I'm 35 and still buying the stuff hand over fist. haha. Many of us have had a lot of years for these characters to come alive in our imaginations. So many years, as a matter of fact that it's easy to forget the pulp/serial atmosphere from which all of this sprang.

I think fun and adventure is the very heart of Star Wars. I've liked all of the movies so far. Recently I read the novelization for ep. III and I loved it. I definitely think its the best of the three prequels. I can't speak for any other fan but seeing Anakin turn to Darth Vader and that whole bit was what I was waiting for anyway. I would have been just as happy if ep III was the only prequel filmed.

I don't have any useful constructive criticism for what could have been better as far as plot progression or character development goes. I just know that when it hits theaters Ill be rounding up as many kids, friends, and family as I can find and going and having 2 hours worth of all out fun. And then when it's over Ill be back on here listening to how the experience felt to everyone else and waiting with anticipation for the next big Star Wars thing to come along.

Oh. My adoring public calls yet again! You can just ask nicely if you'd like a personalized Afro-insult, love-friend.

Here's yours, joe_h: If your grasp of English became any more tenuous you'd give birth to a new language. And the best delivery of them all was when the doctor strolled up to your mother and said, 'Congratulations! He's only mildly retarded. He'll never question Star Wars plot holes.'

Let's be serious, though. If your mother's delivery was as wooden as the actors in ROTS she'd still be picking the splinters out, Pinnochi_joe!

I'd deign to give the script an encouraging C+ and a pat on the back as well as an honorary "most improved" award. (But I'd just be doing that for it's self-esteem and to encourage it to make a TV series. We need another primetime comedy with the quality to match "Hope & Faith" after all.)

When the script sticks to action it's good and when it's good it's very, very good. When it's bad it's very, very bad. And of course the action is likely to be spoiled by A-TEAM grade stunt-doubles with Dooku beards stuck on. I nearly watched that cut-and-pasted head pop off three times in AOTC ... at least this movie it actually does come off!

What I don't like about the script is picturing Hayden and Natalie saddled with the icky Lucas in love-ville lines. They're about as real feeling as pre-teen SW romantic fan-fiction. Is it a wonder this man has never been in a successful marriage? The Japor Snippet is a heart-tugger because it's subtle. Subtle is good! This cliched Fox Family, Disney movie, after school special dialogue is atrocious! Sample:

ANAKIN: Whoa! With a kick that strong, it's got to be a girl!

(both laugh, canned laugh track kicks in)

That Anakin! When he's not killing his wife he's a gosh-darned feminist!

(I laugh, canned laugh track kicks in)

Here's another excellent scene I look forward to seeing play out, as I'm sure the rest of you do!

AT-ST CLONE SERGEANT: Everyone out of there!

A CRAAAAA-AAAA-AAAZY LITTLE CREATURE ... HO-HO-HUH-HAY-HAY ... about two feet high (Yoda height, y'all!) pops its head over the rail. The creature is covered with mud! His long hair is frizzed out in all directions.

CREATURE: Wookie good! Eat Wookie! (cuh-RAAAAZY little laugh)

(while writing this Lucas pauses to wipe the hilarity-induced tear from his eye and re-compose himself ... it's KILLING him!)

CLONE SERGEANT: Did you find something?

CREATURE: (no doubt waving it's little "creature" hand) It's nothing, nothing.

(creature laughs, Clone Trooper laughs, canned laugh track kicks in, Lucas laughs all laugh-climax together and trail off with a simultaneous "...ahhhhhhh!")

Yeah. So, basically... there are some rough spots, aren't there, kids? Can we discuss them or would you all prefer to wax speculative about who I am? Seriously! I'm beginning to think your minds are so pickled by GL's two-for-one hidden identity gags that you're applying them to the RL! Guys! I'm AfroAnglo! I'm not Darth Trickyyounerdsious or anything! Stay on topic, for Pete's sake! I beseech you!

"My adoring public calls yet again!"

At least you openly demonstrate your ignorance and bias by making your definitive statements before having seen the movie. That's worth something, I suppose.

But overall, "This little one isn't worth the effort."

That's what she said! Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck!

Here I go again. Attempting desperately to wrestle this thread back to a little place called "On Topic." It's a place I don't think some of you guys have ever been. But it's really nice. You ought to visit! Here. I extend an open invitation!

More choice dialogue from the script:

YODA: Good-bye. Chewbacca® and Tarfful®, miss you I will. Good friends you are. For your help, much gratitude and respect, I have. Had some laughs together we did! Remember the mud thing you will! Ree-hee-hoo-hah-hah! Oh! Hurt my sides do! Anyhow. You touch my tra-la-la. My ding-ding-dong.

The Wookies BARK as the Jedi climbs into the WOOKIE POD® and takes off into the dusk sky.

YODA: (indistinct, muffled) A haircut you hippies do get! Ree-ha-hoo-hee-hah!

See. That sort of warm fuzzy moment just sits awkwardly. Especially when buttressed against all the Jedi death and destruction that the Force has made Yoda aware of. A solemn, grim, determined Yoda wouldn't disrupt the film like this crap and the Rambo-esque Mud Reflection Yoda® ™ © (with built-in ZANINESS!) does. Yanno?

But ... I guess Yoda simply saying something determined and under-stated wouldn't allow for a plot that can be continued in the "Chewie® and Tarfful® Coloring Book!" where children can be taught a valuable lesson about manners, friendliness and fun with mud! This will also allow us to find out what happened to Lumpy and Itchy as I hear their scenes ended up with Mon Mothma's rousing precursor to her memorable ROTJ speech.

Attention whores who think they are far more clever than they are are good for a laugh or two. Then they are good for grating your nerves.

I read the script...it has its moments...it has its flaws. The only bit of dialogue that really stuck to me was the exchange between Anakin and Obi-Wan before Obi-Wan leaves for Utapau.

Now it all rests on the shoulders of the actors. Hayden C. is featured quite a bit in this movie, and his acting seems most questionable. Since the Anakin in AOTC is supposed to be so different than the Anakin in ROTS, I will wait to make a decision...but the footage I've seen so far doesn't give me a whole lot of hope.

Is it me or does Afro kind of have a Dennis Miller routine with his posts?

You say you want to stay on topic but all I see is you veering off on some "whose line is it anyway" tangent with the dialogue. It got old way back yonder. If you really want to discuss SW then discuss it. Leave the improv for somewhere else. Try the Short Bus, thats what it is for.

I think i know where he is from...
What a closet nerd! Psh
Sexy AfroAnglo, Very Sexy!

Also EX-SA Goon

Once again Psh..

A few of you guys are worried about Anakin's switch from buddy-buddy, to suddenly going apeshit and killing all the jedi. Apparently, a few people on the crew had the same problem, which is part of the reason GL screened the rough cut for Spielberg (but Spielberg didn't see any problem).



And a few pages later, On his intentional structure of two hard right turns:


I also read somewhere that Lucas realizes a certain part of the audience won't follow the turn to the dark side (like some of the crew memebers), but that he was willing to sacrifice that part of the demographic to stay true to his 'vision.'

Anyways, I think it's all going to play out great, and at least work for me . . . just thought you guys might want Lucas POV.

Oh yeah, quotes are from the Making of ROTS book 205 and 207.

I can honestly see why people would be concerned about this but Sometimes you have to give out subtle messages to the audience so they can understand the fall from grace so when they watch Episodes IV-VI, They will see how love brought Vader/Anakin back from the Dark Side....The love for his twin children.

I'm kind of happy with the Mace situation. Anakin clearly has mixed interests there. From what we've heard of the scenes leading up to this with Anakin and Palpatine, I can understand Anakin's choice. Palpatine actually manages to present himself as almost rational if you are not the thinking kind of guy.

Where I don't really follow is Anakin (Vader?) choking Padme. I mean his whole motivation to chop off Mace's arm, turn to the dark side, waste the jedi etc...is to obtain power...in particular a power to save Padme.

Okay okay...the dark side clouds his vision, and the story is meant to be a tragedy - I understand that. I can even appreciate that Sidious is not such a bad guy...if you met him after a few pints. However, Anakin foresees Padme's death in child birth, vows he will protect her, is obsessed with protecting her...yet within the same few days or whatever he is suddenly choking her for imaginary betrayal. And this betrayal is set in motion in his mind by the very person who is promising to help him find the way to protect her. No wonder Obi Wan keeps saying "Think, Anakin." I would have slammed my head through the brick wall already.

Well, I guess it adds strength to Obi Wan's point of view that Anakin is dead. But to an extent I never totally bought that either. Surely, you don't send a semi trained kid like Luke to face the evil chosen one and the Sith Master without thinking that something will give.

Love the story though! Shame I'm going to have to wait to July to see it at the cinema. Screw the movie analysis ...who decided to show the movie in Japan three months later!?!? That guy needs to have his head checked!!

So just to make sure I'm understanding this:

The entire point of the prequels, and according to Lucas, the entire point of the saga, is the rise, fall, and redemption of Vaderkin. Certainly for me, I've put up with the Eps I and II so I can see and understand why Anakin falls...and now George is saying that people may not understand why?

What a load of horseshit. We'll see how it plays out on screen, but it certainly sounds like Anakin's going to be turning all of the sudden and just for the hell out it.

Cue the "Lucas raped my childhood posts" in 3...2...1...

I just think he's saying that he can't possibly please everyone and that of course some of the fans might "skewer him" for not having Anakin turn the way they want.

He was also says that the reason for the turn, of course, is his love for Padme, but that in this movie there's only like two minutes to show their love for each other ( good IMO), and then he goes on to talk about how hard it is to show that feeling of I'll do anything, even die for my love, in just a couple of minutes of screentime.

I think it just comes down whether or not you believe the love story of the prequals. I thought it played out a just fine (a little hokey, but fine), and fans that buy the love story I don't think will have too hard of a time with the switch. But then again, given some of the fans reactions to the love story in AOTC, maybe they won't be feeling that subtle emotion.

I still say that scene is going to rock. It'll be interesting to see how it works on the screen, but I think GL's found a pretty good scene to center that turning point on.

Actually you're on the wrong forum. You might want to try AICN. They're the ones that pulls that "Lucas raped my childhood" crap.

I remember thinking along time how it would be great vader ended up killing Padme. I'm assuming this is Lucas's second "sharp right" he was talking about. If it's pulled off really well, it could be a phenomenal scene, but it's one of those tricky ones. I wish Lucas would've talked more about it in the book.

For the casual fan who doesn't know, I think it'll be a great twist they they don't really see coming. Hopefully it works and turns out to be the great scene and not leave the audience scratching their heads.

At least Lucas is taking chances. I think it would've been easy to do a basic story of Anakin's turn without the "sharp rights," but he really wants to do something special with his last hurrah.

I understand perfectly why he turns, and so should anyone actually paying attention to the movie.

Anakin's already a sketchy Jedi, he's arrogant and jealous and resentful....and in love. He's emotionally unstable, something a Jedi should not be. Throw into the mix that his wife is about to die, something he swore he would never allow to happen again after his mother died, and you've got someone who will do anything to save his beloved.

In the book, you're able to spend pages and pages on the internal workings of the characters. What they are thinking and what not, and in the book the turn is completely believeable, and in many ways perfect. Palpatine presents his case in a way that seems completely rational for Anakin whereas the Jedi come across more to him as treasonous. So already the stage is it set, but he's still not given up on the council.

When he finds out Palpatine is a Sith, he still reports him out of duty, cause he's torn between what is right and his own selfish needs, to save Padme. In that scene in the book, Palpatine insists that the Jedi just want to kill the Sith, and go against democratic justice, because they want power for themselves. When Mace says he will do exactly that, Palpatine's words become true to Anakin, and therefore he makes the choice to follow Palpatine rather than the Jedi. The Sith's way makes more logical sense to Anakin at this point rather than the Jedi's. Not only this, but Palpatine has promised him the power to save Padme.

This is very clear to me...as long as they don't ommit some important lines and scenes between the two that lead up to that fight, we'll be fine. Regardless, I know how it happens and I'm happy with the turn, so I consider what other people think irrelevant.

speaking about the script we got...I think it's interesting that yoda states that anakin was gone and consumed by darth vader (i cant remember the exact wording...i dont have it on this computer). Obi-Wan basically passes on yoda's wording to Luke.

Or I could be remembering that wrong.

I haven't read the screenplay (and won't until after I've seen the movie), but this point is to me far more important that Anakin killing Padme.

Anakin killing her seems to me to be pretty much like Othello, who in one monologue decides, "fuck her, she fucked with me, she's dead..." then kills her without thinking, then regrets it. That's the point.

But I've been wondering if "He betrayed and murdered your father" will seem a little less than a ball-ass lie, rectified only by "from a certain point of view" in ROTJ.

I was really surprised when reading about Order66 in the script. I always assumed it was some hidden backdoor within the minds of the clones...like the Emperor only had to transmit a certain frequency or something and the clones would involuntarly start targeting the Jedi.

I guess I came up with this assumption when we started hearing reports about Commander Cody and Obi-wan's friendship. I thought Cody would just go non-responsive and start commanding the forces again the Jedi. But instead, we're supposed to believe that this was part of their training, and no one in the Jedi caught on to the famous Monday-night lecture: "When you hear the Chancelor - who happens to be the dark lord of the sith - mention Order 66, please start killing your generals. Oh! And don't tell anybody about this...yes, that's right, all 27 billion of you."

Aren't the jedi supposed to be a little more intuitive than the average Star Wars peon?

I just didn't like how Lucas mapped out this whole Order 66 thing. It makes the jedi look like gulable fools...and they're supposed to be the damn generals!!!! What type of general doesn't know what's going on within their soldiers' training?

The army was rushed into warfare, without checking first. And I bet the Kaminoans got special orders to either let some genetic commandos/safeguards be installed to prevent any detection of "odd" behaviour. The clones are said to act without malice, no warning from the Force except a more general feeling of dread. And that´s there anyway since they´re on battlefields.

Speaking of Order66, I was able to find this in my handy Clone Trooper Training Guide (I found it in some Boy Scout surplus store):

Order 14: dry-clean all Jedi robes within the Star Destroyer you're stationed in

Order 15: learn your New Zealand accent

...the rest are a bit boring, so I'll skip to the interesting parts...

Order 64: create an extremely cheesy nickname, such as "Lieutenant Lucky," "Sergeant Sammy," or "Commander Cody." Procede to befriend your nearest Jedi General.

Order 65: assemble and coordinate tactics with every man that looks exactly like you, except if that man is named Boba (in which case please return to:
Kamino Lost 'n Found
PO Box 1138
Big Domed Buidling #1442452
Kamino System
Galaxy
Universe

Order 66: go to your nearest general, and kill the son of a bitch

Order 67: become extremely incompetent, and re-register your name within the Clone Database from "Clone Trooper XXXXX," to "Stormtrooper XXXXX"

Order 68: unlearn your New Zealand accent

First of all, I'm not flaming. I grew up with STAR WARS and really wanted to love the new films as much as any other fan. That being said, the new screenplay is as much of a failure as the last two. The story is there. Nobody ever accused Lucas of not being able to spin a yarn. It's the dialogue where he falls short. It really does read like bad fan fiction at times. I think that I'll always wish that he had done what he did with the OT and had others write the scripts from his stories. Oh well, coulda, shoulda, woulda. It's all over now so no use crying over spilt milk. I'll always have what's left of the original films to watch and love.

Nothin like judging a movie before you even saw it, eh?

Lucas wrote the screenplays for ANH and coworked it with ROTJ.

Go cuddle with the OT. the spi"lt" milk will curdle in time.

you do realize he wrote ANH and co-wrote ROTJ (and directed parts of it).

Not to flame you, but your point is redundant and wrong. The OT has the same writing as the PT.

Marquand didn't know how to work with ILM well and so alot of that was up to George to handle, as well as the final scenes of the movie.

See, this is my beef with people who take shots at the writing. GL hasn't forgotten how to make a movie, nor has he gotten stupid and lost the intelligence that brought people the OT, he just wants the PT to be the way he invisioned. What we're seeing is his vision...not the fault of his writing or storytelling, it just comes down to a matter of taste.

He sees the PT as different from the OT and made it as such. If he wanted to make another OT, he would have. It could have been exactly the same, and people probably would have loved it and so on, but that's not his story.

Am I the only one who thinks that Lucas ACTUALLY puts a lot of thought into his dialogue. Sure it can be cheesy, but beneath the surface there's a lot of depth.

Take one of the most hated lines of AOTC--the I hate sand line.

Sure it's no rico suave shit, but at least it makes sense for his character-a slave kid that grew up dealing with sandstorms all his life--that irritating shit getting everywhere all the time. It's not fucking poetry, but it works. It might seem like it sucks to some people, and maybe it does, but at least it's thought out enough so that there's a little something there.

Hell, I'm gonna just come out and say it. I LIKE his dialogue.

I think AOTC's dialogue is clunky as hell, even for a Star Wars movie, but it's also even more serial-like than most Star Wars movies, so it's acceptable in many ways.

I like TPM's dialogue alot. I actually enjoy the scenes on Tatooine, the Coruscant dialogue, etc. It all works very well for me.

One irony about the "I don't like sand" line. Anakin nearly burns to death on the hot sand of Mustafar. Haha. I'd like to say that was foresight by GL, but I doubt it. Still, a nice poetic coincidence.

LOL! I never thought of that. Here's what Anakin's line should've been on Mustafar:

OK. I should have realized that stating an opinion contrary to the majority of those present was just opening myself up to ridicule. I live in America.

First of all, my comments were aimed solely at the screenplay as it has been published. I have no doubt that the film will look spectacular. All of the prequels have been gorgeous to look at. I still say that if you remove yourself from the fact that you're talking about a Star Wars film then it's fairly safe to say that the dialogue is pretty bad. I'm also one of those folks who believe that the OT's writing was (except for a few places) miles ahead of what we've seen in the Prequels. As for Lucas going solo on ANH... he didn't. He's been upfront in stating that he had Kasdan and some other folks take a run at polishing the screenplay, even though they don't get screen credit. All one has to do is compare earlier drafts to the shooting script to see just how much was added by these folks. Had he gone with an earlier draft we wouldn't be here today. As for TESB and ROTJ, he didn't have much to do with them outside of the story. More on ROTJ than TESB, but still.

Nowhere did I bash his directing skills. I happen to quite like AMERICAN GRAFFITI, THX 1138, and ANH. I even like the directing for most of the prequels. Again, I was just addressing the script for ROTS. People are more than welcome to disagree with me. In fact, I welcome it. That's why it's called a discussion board. I refuse to be drawn into a petty flame war as they never accomplish anything. I would hope that instead of name calling, we can have an intelligent discussion on the topic.

Cheers.

Lets just wait and see what the movie delivers , then if it is truly is a bag of turds then you can come back on here and shove it sideways up everyones arse with a big 'I told you so' ....

Saying it's going to be bollocks a month before it's out , based on some cheesy dialogue ( havnt they all had that anyway? ) is jumping the gun a tad.

Right now you´re on MF.com, where bullshit is a no-no.


I swear, anyone who can rationally advocate the opposite for any, yes, ANY SW film is either a liar or a goddamn moron. Who needs to see more films.


No, I´d say the exact opposite. Aside from dialog, the story is solid, and certainly more complex than most of the OT.


We don´t know that and we never will. Once again, having an opinion about something that don´t and won´t exist, is easy, isn´t it?


That is grade A-bullshit, right there. According to everyone, including Kershner, whenever he was on the set, they all turned to him for advice. He also argued with Kurtz and Kershner on how to cut it and took a vicious stab at it, saw the mess he made and gave it beck to Kershner again.

Most of ROTJ was either him or some other guy directing, since Marquand seemed completely lost in the whole production.

He didn´t just sit on his ass for the next six years after ´77.