Cool spots. The Tragedy is definitely the best...

I did notice Anakin's scar is on the wrong side at 13 seconds into it though.

Everyone harping on the "bad acting," just consider for a moment that the acting in the OT was nothing to rave about either. SW dialogue generall isn't the sort that wins Oscars, whether you're in 1977 or in 2005.

Sometimes an actor come along who can deliver the lines and sound great (like McDiarmid or Guinness), others will sound more forced in what they're saying because the dialogue is so fucking akward! Harrison Ford was complaining about it all the way back in 1977.

It's not just a PT problem, so just shut the fuck up about the acting and dialogue.

Its not a mistake. The scene was just mirrored. Editors mirror scenes all the time for trailers.

Anyone seen 'em on TV yet?

K. I know now for certain that the stupid "SCAR SWITCHING SIDES!!!!" thing is not a mistake. First off, the EXACT same shot is shown in the Theatrical Trailer. His expression is the same, the way he moves his head is the same. Like I said before, it is just mirrored.

Oh my....I do love these.

IMO the acting in Episodes 4 - 6 were not all that great with the exceptions of Alec Guiness and Harrison Ford. But my goodness, if you want to talk about poor acting with Hayden and Natalie, Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill in Episode 6 were as standard and forced as I've ever seen! (I guess Mark and Carrie come by it honestly. It's in their characters 'genes').

But, let's be somewhat honest, no one watches STAR WARS movies for the acting in the same way no one watches the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) for the wrestling. The main attraction to these films are the story, the action, and the eyepopping special effects.

HERE! HERE!

And I say "AMEN" to that, borther!

On the weekends, I'm stuck at home on a slow 56k, so I've only seen the commercials and one of the DVD scenes: the dream.

taken out of context, it still appears that Lucas has handled it better than the similar dream sequence in AotC.

amen

I didn't say it was a mistake. I just said it was on the wrong side.

It's not a mistake, the shot was just flipped for the trailer to make it flow better...

as Imperial Force said, editors do it all the time

Palpatine is going to steal this movie, hands down. Yeah Hayden looks cool, portman sucks as usual but Ian McD will be what makes this movie great.


Long Live The Emporer!

yeah, at least until you see it in context

People need to stop BEEEATCHING about the acting.

In my opinion there is no such thing as bad acting.

I can't wait any longer for this movie!

Awesome music in the "Tragedy" tv-spot. It was perfect

No it isn´t, it´s the same awkward lines we got in the OT, nothing has changed. The only difference is in some actors delivering the lines even worse than the original films. That´s it.

Is there a link to play the TV Spots for Windows Media Player anywhere? I've tried to convert the Quicktime file, but it didnt work.

I love sw. I love MF. Great site and cool people...

But i just dont understand when people tell others to shut the fuck up if they are disappointed with something they obviously WANT to love. I mean thats why we are all here.

Yeah its a different kind of movie now, times changed, grown up etc..that still doesnt change the fact that i can watch ANH or ESB over and over and over and over again without cringing or skipping forward. (well minus the stupid SE shit lucas did...greedooooo)

I cannot watch EP1. I just cant. I dont care if its supposed to be different. Its just not a good movie. I tried to like it. I want to still like it but its just the opposite of everything that made the OT so great. And it wasnt mainly the special effects.

I still have hopes for ROTS but after watching the Trivial P vids i realized that while EP3 will be the best of the PT, i should keep my expectations in check...




I envy you...seriously.

So did anyone see the commercials on tv yet? I haven't been watching tv often this weekend, so I don't know. If so, what channels and programs?

I've seen the commercials on MTV and ESPN.

After watching these videos for the umpteenth time, two facts stand out to me:

1) Tragedy =
2) The Darkside clip's music editor needs to be fired.

As for the acting, I like the PT just as much as the OT (and yes I did see the OT in theatres as a kid). I don't go to Star Wars for the acting, I go for the action and story. So to all you bitching about the acting, stfu already.

Yeah but if the acting is so bad it's distracting (and not just funny in an OT way) I think people have the right to voice their displeasure.

I totally agree with Big Lou... the OT and PT are two completely different things. Two different times, like someone pointed out, think how different the 60's are from now, or the 90's i guess... Things change, and the characters, R2 and C3PO aside, arent the same either...

Let up that things dont have that certain something that the OT had, cause they have their own certain something... I think oftentimes people dwell on the bad things cause its easier than to praise the great things...

TPM got better for me as ATOC came out, and im sure this trilogy will be great when its completed...

What are u talking about? Sure they are different...kinda obvious..

But that makes the PT good movies? Or is that the excuse for Lucas giving us medicore movies so far? (My opinion)

It was the atmosphere and the little things that made the OT so good imo. Watching ESB with Irvin's commentaries makes me just realize how good he really was. Best example is the scene were Solo is about to get frozen and they couldnt decide if han should reply "i love you too" or something else...in the end they went for " i know" cause thats what han would say. You could feel the emotional connection of the characters. It made you care. Its those little things, attention to characters and emotional exchange that just made the OT for me.

compare that to the AOTC fireplace exchange and tell me that you thought that is was a well written and it gave u some sort of emotional connection. To me it didnt at all...

Im not tying to evoke negativity around here, i love MF and there are a lot of cool well articulate people here. But my frustration with the PT, the pointless retouching of the OT by lucas and people telling other fans to stfu if they dont like something just makes me boil.

Of course one could argue 'what makes a good movie'? everyones has diff viewpoints. To me the OT arent only good scifi/fantasy flicks, they are good movies. Just like Dr. schiwago, 1984, Casablanca, Metropolis, 2001 etc heck even Singing in the rain. why? cause they are timeless.

In the end its all opinions. Ive always said i really envy the folks who love the PT so far.

My apologies if i ramble on and get carried away....

Its all IMO conversations here... but I get what you are saying about how annoying it gets to hear stfu when people dont agree... but back to the con... I am one of the few who actually bought the love story in AotC, but that seems to be just a select few of us.

I also like the retouching, and Casablanca is the shit... but, I think people compare the OT and the PT way too closely. The dialogue is different, but its part of what sets it apart, and I havent had a problem with any of the traits that set these movies apart...

well except Jar Jar... but this conversation has been beaten to death. Lets just try and get to May 19th as quick as we can.

huh yeah, the greedy shooting first was something lucas couldnt do back then. Required too many difficult fxs. And it adds a lot to the story and it didnt ruin Hans character at all.../sarcasm

I'll give you my perspective on the AOTC love story. Is it silly? Yeah sure. How many "teen romances" aren't? You think when you are a teenage boy you're gonna be picking up on girls with slick or eloquent lines? No not really...In fact I would say Anakin's whiny over the top dialogue would be a lot more realistic for someone his age than any love story that would be praised by critics. It's not *supposed* to be a classic fairy tale love story. It's a couple of kids being impetuous and stupid, which are thrown together in a time of crisis. That can definitely alter someone's actions as opposed to if a situation was normal.

As far as improvising parts to adjust to what a character would do I know it happened during Ep 3 (it's in the making of book) and I am guessing that it happened on 1 and 2 considering Lucas' expressed views on his scripts ("They are just an outline.")

IMO Han and Leia's "love story" is just as "bad" In Empire as the one in Clones. Leia goes from giving him crap and basically talking like she hates Han (aside from his leadership skills of course) until he does the magic act of rubbing her hands. Then she's all his. Corny? hell yeah...Realistic? Could be. But Empire is classic and perfect right?

I will say though that I hate Padme's little speech about her first boyfriend by the waterfall. IMO that's far worse than the fireside chat which I could imagine actually happening with a teenage guy in charge. Senate youth program? Give me a break.

Cool. I see ur point of view

and btw, im 34...

And trust me I definitely see yours too. I can definitely see how some people dislike Ep 1 and 2.

The AOTC romance reminded me of all the awkward OT-dialog thrown together in a heap. It made me laugh, it made me cringe, hey, it made me actually FEEL things. Better than scenes were you sit and feel nothing.


Retouching means more than the fucking Greedo-scene, asstard. I can´t understand why sheep keep skipping all the good parts in the SE's just because three tiny scenes get in the way (one of which is gone now and the other slightly redone).

Seriously, it´s been eight fucking years. GET OVER IT ALREADY!

I swear, this is why people like Devincf on CHUD is such a joke, people who can´t stand something and says it´s awful to talk about, yet spends the next ten years talking about it and complaining that they have to talk about it. No-one´s forcing you at gunpoint to talk about things you hate.

It's just what you're used to. The majority of people who think the PT sucks, grew up with the OT. My grandpa, a retired airline pilot, once told me how he hated all the gauges now becoming digital. I however, feel that the more digital and automized stuff my cockpit has, the better it is.

My gramps grew up with the analogue gauges, I grew up with the LCD screens and advanced technology. Just like I'm now growing up with the PT. I love them just as much as the OT and I really enjoy them every time I watch them. It was in fact Episode I which got me into Star Wars in the first place. I didn't hate Jar Jar then, I don't hate him now. I didn't hate the acting then, I don't hate it now.

I guess I shouldn't chime in but I will.

I LOVE movies. And I love them for exactly what they are... entertainment. Something you watch while crowded into a hushed theater with a large Coke and a bucket of Popcorn in your hand.

Or its something to watch when your at home, reclined back in your chair with the 7.1 surround sound blaring and the subwoofer hitting loud and hard and the action filling the wall in front of you.

Its all about the experience when it comes down to it.

Sure, I have my favorite movies that I love for more than just the entertainment value. A movie sometimes comes along that just hits you the right way and you connect on some level with it, whether its the actors, the situations they are in, or just the story itself sucks you in.

Star Wars is one of those movies to me. I love the story, I love the characters, I love the situations they are in. More than anything though, Star Wars itself gives me a connection to what I miss alot. My childhood. Running around in circles till I puke with a toy Tie-Fighter in one hand and an X-wing fighter in the other hand, of course all the while making all the appropriate sound effects. It's playing with my brothers outside in the snow with our Hoth Battle Set.

Star Wars is that to me. But in the end, it's still a movie. It's entertainment. And NO movie is perfect. Actors stink sometimes, effects suck, stories are lame, etc. But sometimes when you like, no love, a movie and a story, you look past those things and you don't let them bother you because in the end...It's a movie. Just sit back and enjoy the show. When you nitpick it to death and try to find and then dwell on every little nuance, then at that point it has stopped becoming a movie. It's no longer entertainment, what It was meant to be. You have killed it and ultimately ruined it for yourself.

Don't ruin this. Just sit back and enjoy the show. And while you do, try to remember what it was like when you were a kid.

I'll be flinging my pennies into the ring as well I guess.

As was stated before by Dr Bass and to be parroted by me I can truly understand why people dislike the PT.

It is lacking those certain elements that made the OT so legendary.

But regardless the geeky 12-year old sheep inside me absolutely loves them.

I now await my bashing...

maybe the PT isn't legendary because it's not revolutionary....ever think of that

Star Wars invented a genre which has been replicated over the past 30 years. To the casual viewer, there's nothing in Star Wars that isn't in every other special effects blockbuster aside from the famous name tag of the franchise, the recognizeable theme and character names. Couple that with the direction Hollywood has gone in the last few decades towards 'realism' in movies (reflected in acting and writing) and Star Wars fares rather poor.

The only reason Star Wars still sparks public interest is because it's Star Wars, it has nothing to do with the quality of the movies, just the name associated with them.

Oh geez . Did you read my whole post? But thanks for taking this conversation to the next level. The use of 'asstard' makes you really look like i give 2 shits about what u think...




And no one is forcing you to read. You obviously have your own strong opinion and i really never said that i hate anything. Obviously people bitch cause the PT is far from perfect and when your a fan you wanna share your enthusiasm or your frustration.[/quote]

I don't even care about the acting, this movie has FIVE lightsaber duels. I'm happy.

But to be on topic, the commericals look very well put-together, and the acting has improved. I want to hear ' Battle of The Hero's ' ( or whatever it's properly called ) so bad.

Actually (this might be slightly off topic here) I think the main difference between the two series is the music. The OT is far superior in this respect. I think without the brilliant original scores Star Wars would not have been as popular back in it's original day. You can practically follow the OT movies just watching the visuals and listening to the fantastic score. It's just not the same way in the PT. I think Williams peaked back in his Superman/Star Wars/Indy days and really hasn't done much even close since then. The new music is generally quite bland compared to the old stuff, and while some of it is good, none of it really approaches the lyrical majestic feel of the OT movies. I honestly think that is the one main difference. Without the fantastic music people get caught up in the cheesy dialogue more. At least that's what I think.

Ever notice how on new previews or material it's almost always OT music being used?

You guys really look for every single detail to bash the PT, don't you


the TPM score was better than the ANH score imo btw

LOL OF COURSE its not dude. No worries. I think its great when people love the PT so far. I really wish i could.

Talk about the score. Im really curious about the ROTS soundtrack. From the OS journal it seems Williams used a lot of the old themes in combination with new ones. Should be good. Hopefully the butcher brothers didnt ruin it again IN the movie (lucas and Burtt).

Anybody have the new TV spots in a downloaded form?

All streaming content is blocked here at work and I want to see them again.

blasphemy

haha...oookkkk

Heresy!

Name me one moment in the TPM as perfect as when luke looks out at the twin suns.

I was talking about the soundtrack, not the movie itself.

Jar Jar is the best! I grew up with SW in the 80's, and have always been a very dedicated fan, but I still loved him from the get-go, right from the first time I saw him in the teaser trailer for TPM. Those who hate him usually have some *seriously* big issues. Just try having a normal friendly conversation with a Jar Jar-hater....you will find that it's quite impossible. But what else could you expect from someone spending time hating and being abusive towards a digital character?

So was I.

in that case, it's just the force theme followed up by leia's theme basically. The force theme appears in every star wars movie, I don't think the ANH version should be worshipped just because it belongs to the original movie or even the fact that it won an oscar.

Besides, it's just my opinion. If I think the TPM score is better, I think the TPM score is better. If everyone else thinks the ANH score is better, everybody else thinks the AHN score is better. Really it's not such a big deal.

Yeah I know. It really isn't. And there are reasons why that scene is better than other instances of the force theme.

Not to be an arse but I could easily explain why ANH is better than TPM, while I think it is tough to argue the opposite. But all is cool.

While I do not actually think TPM is better than ANH, I will take a stab at it to play devil's advocate.

Reasons why TPM is better:

1. In ANH you have R2 and 3p0 wandering in the desert for waaaaaaaaaay too long. Most of that is totally unnecessary. There is no character development to having them just wandering around separately for so long. TPM has no moments like that. Certainly there are boring moments, but none of those boring moments are as pointless as that scene in ANH.
2. The action in TPM is better. Sure the ending of ANH is suspenseful, but when I saw TPM for the first time I was in just as much suspense when Obi-Wan was hanging in that pit. I enjoyed the Pod Race, the opening battle, and all the other battles more than the side battles in ANH.
3. The acting is pretty equal. Jake Lloyd and Natalie Portman were on the stiff side. However, in ANH, Luke changes his tune so fast so many times, you're wondering if he's bipolar...