"Sure, Qui Gon's vocal cameo in AOTC is now a lone bookend. But it was kind of half-hearted... And I LIKE Yoda being the greatest Jedi Master. This "Now I'm your student" stuff sits awkwardly on the page and most likely it would sit even more awkwardly on the screen. "

Yoda is still the greatest Jedi Master, but he, in this scene as reported earlier, realizes that he needed to adapt the jedi council, and the fact that he didnt is part of the reason the Jedi failed... temporarily... but even Jedi make mistakes. Yoda wants to learn from Qui Gon, and its great dialogue, but it doesnt mean that Yoda is weaker than Qui Gon, it just means he still has something to learn from him. Yoda is constantly trying to learn, and this is something so important to the futre that he knows he must learn it.
I dont know if he knows he'll be alive when Luke grows up to the OT, but he isnt taking any chances. He's still stronger, but Qui Gon knows something more, so Yoda wants to learn.

Kids... KIDS... Lucas has said over and over again that he was going to explain the whole force ghost thing in this movie. The conversation Yoda has with Qui Gon Gin will not be cut from the film. If anything, it might be Padme's last line... "I know there's still good in him." Because think about it, Obi-Wan would say something to Luke like this in Return of the Jedi:

Luke: There is still good in him.
Ben: Your mother once thought as you do. He's more machine now than man, twisted and evil.

Ahhh... but Ben doesn't. So therefore... I think maybe Padme's line will be cut. Makes sense doesn't it?

GEORGE - LUCASFILM - ANYONE!!

For Gods sake leave the qui gon scene in,its the best bit of the movie as far as im concerned.

thankyou.

Correct you are SnakePlisken.

I have listened to the audio book as well and there was no Great Battle on Kashyyyk.

They can't cut out the Yoda and Ginn part they also cannot cut out the Battle on Kashyyyk.

Though Kashyyyk was not in the audio book if you go on the offical site Kashyyyk is the #2 planet listed under locations and does say there will be a battle there with Chewie and Master Yoda.

Basically Kashyyyk and Yoda and Ginn will be in the film I am sure of it they have talked to much about Kashyyyk to just cut it out they spent a very long time creating that part of the movie plus they have hyped that part of the movie up so much they are too late to cut that out and the Yoda and Ginn part is too imporant to cut as well.

I don't think any of those 5 will be cut.

ofcourse they did. If it's not the same role they were getting as in the OT, their presence would be useless and cofusing to the people who actually recognized them. Their roles would be small and they would like only appear for just a few seconds, which is not really worth travelling.

Liam's presence is crucial to the story and seeing as he loves Star Wars (if I recall correctly, he wanted to be in TPM so badly he didn't even read the script), him turning down the role wouldn't make any sense to me.

I think they cut seeing qui gon. in the novel qui gon says in time you may even learn to retain your identity, which would make it seem qui gon is only heard not seen. Maybe they cut the little blue glowy guy of him

the qui-gon voice will not be cut. Neeson has already said he has a part in the movie, and Lucas has said on numerous occassions that the force ghost thing will be explained.

Padme saying there is still good in him WILL NOT be cut. This is a crucial link to the OT. The whole reasoning that "Obi-Wan would tell luke" is silly. He might, he might not.

what is really funny is that there are two pages already on thisd subject, all solely based off of what a licensee said....

Lucas has stated that will will be answered in Ep3.

The disappearing Jedi issue will be resolved in EP3. - GL

Plus it's already explained in all the new books that are coming out that are based on the movie so I guess he changed his mind again.

When did Liam neeson say he was in Ep3? This is surely a pile of shit?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... 14-6435006

The annotated screenplays came out in 97. The films he's referring to are the original trilogy, not the prequels. Eight years and 3 movies later...I'd say it's safe to say he changed his mind.

And it very well could be a discipline he learns from Yoda, who learns it from QGJ.

Nice try. And, only douches "sign" their posts. Thanks.

Pablo said everything in that statement is true, except the word "never".

I still stand firm in my belief that if GL came calling on Neeson, he would answer. Neeson doing this small cameo can only help cement his position in the saga. I dont believe that he would turn George down for what would amount to maybe a days work. One days work & you can put yourself into the fans minds as one of the greatest Jedi ever or you can refuse & be reviled by all the sheep out there forever. As an actor & celebrity would it not make sense just to do the scene.? Even on just a personal level, knowing that your part of this great thing would be enough.

*ahem*

They did say it was something seen in the trailer, did they not?

If that is so, then it could not be QUi-Gon, because his scene was never in the trailer. (A shot of him from TPM was in the teeaser, sure, but bear with my attempt at logic...)

Basically, what I think it comes down to is that the scene of Chewie looking up and growling as the pod shoots into the sky is what's gone. As well, the battle of the seperatist vs. the republic forces on Kashyyyk might not be all there (what of it we actually see, like the wookiee jumping off the tank droid at the camera), but the clones turning on Yoda certainly would be.

So why are the scenes not totally cut? Kashyyyk and the return of Chewie has already been too hyped to cut, and Qui-Gon as a ghost is just too important in tying the trilogies together to get cut.

The cut scene has *nothing* to do with the trailer. It's a scene appearing in the GRAPHIC NOVEL that has been cut.

BTW, Qui-Gon's voice being cut does not necessarily mean that the Force ghost explaination is not there anymore. They could have easily worked around it and have Yoda instruct Obi-Wan without saying where he got the knowledge from.

Reliable sources say that Neeson is in the film. And Neeson happens to be one of those reliable sources. The ghost of Qui-Gon is real. You'll see.

Yoda's scene on Dagobah has been deleted. It's in the comic, but it's no longer in the film. That's it. End of story.

Maybe all the clones will have their guns replaced with walkie talkies

I have yet to see one quote from Neeson stating he's in the film. And again, the cut scene is from EW's list, which doesn't include "Yoda on Dagobah".

That has been confimed as a fact as well. It was the major factor preventing the MPAA from giving the film a PG rating.

You haven't looked hard enough. He said it. AND he was reportedly seen on set.



EW also said (years ago) that Harry Connick Jr. was cast as a Jedi in The Phantom Menace. It's a crap magazine. I wouldn't lose sleep over anything they say.

Obi-Wan and Yoda not "getting it" is exactly the point Lucas is making. The belief of redemtion is found through love and none of the Jedi are capable of it. It's the central foundation of the "twist" the prequels have set up. Both the Sith and the Jedi are WRONG. Episode IV isn't called "A New Hope" because of a saviour for the galaxy... it's called "A New Hope" because of the dying wish of a fallen queen is to bring forth the good in her fallen husband. It's up to the son to do this because he's the only one to believe... that's still alive (i.e. Qui-Gon and Padme).

Qui-Gon will only be in the film as a voice guys not a ghost...

And we have no idea what is cut or not I mean by the time it comes out whatever could have been cut could be put back into the film. So lets just wait and see...

which doesn't include "Yoda on Dagobah"

Thank for DoubleSith somebody had to say it.

Post the quote, then. And considering it was a v.o. part, he wouldn't have needed to be on set at all.




It is a crap magazine. But they aren't the ones saying a scene has been cut. Please reread the first post.

The Dagobah scene IS on the Entertainment Weekly list. Once again, you're not looking hard enough.



P.S. Here's your Liam link:

http://movieweb.com/news/news.php?id=6428

Again, Dagobah is nowhere to be found in the EW list. At all.

And since when "I can't talk about it" = "I'm on the film"?

It's #2 on the list, buddy. The guy is making a reference to an early version of the script were Chewie is involved with delivery of the twins on Dagobah. Peter Mahew talked about this way back when. The idea was dropped. And anything else that they subsequently filmed of Dagobah has also been cut.

And the "it" that Liam "can't talk about" ain't his mother's recipe for corn beef 'n cabbage. He's being cryptic out of respect to Lucas' wishes for secrecy. Reliable sources say he'll show up as a reflection in the window on Polis Massa. Lucas himself stated that the original plan was to have Qui-Gon return in BOTH sequels. The only reason he couldn't appear in AOTC was a motorcycle injury he sustained. But, for ROTS he was reportedly seen at Leavsdon studios for pick-ups. Feel free to naysay, but I'm 99.99% sure he's in the film, dude.

Peace.
~J

P.S.

And if you've heard any definite confirmations of voiceover, have you ever considered that he's recording voice for the AOTC 2007 DVD? That scene needed to be fixed, and why not do it while they have him handy? It's kinda like how they fixed Palpy in ESB.

Even if Liam refused to be in it, which part of me could see after his apparent mixed reaction to working on Episode I, I can't see Lucas just throwing it out.

I mean, they turned Hayden's voice into a JEJ like tone for the Teaser Trailer, you're telling me they couldn't use one of the Qui-Gon sound alikes in the games or cartoon and just alter it to sound near identical?

One more time. EW got their spoliers (including #2) from the GRAPHIC NOVEL. Not from early scripts, not from anywhere else. EW is not making any "references" to anything other than the GN. The editor from Dark Horse, who was sent the final version of the script a few weeks ago, said that EW chose to put a spoiler in the magazine (again, which they took from the GN) that no longer appeared in the final version of the script.



What Lucas did say was this:



If they had to go "back and forth" to try and get him on AOTC (a movie Neeson felt was "silly"), they probably had to negotiaate to get him on ROTS. Neeson's refusal to comment may have been due to the fact that he was going "back and forth" at that time. Either way, nothing is "confirmed".

In any case, we'll find out when the script is released on Saturday, asuming it's the final one.

You really don't want Qui-Gon to appear in the movie... do you?

No, man. I would love to be wrong. I love the scene!

It's just that I'm worried about what the cut actually is.

Anyway, it's kind of pointless to keep going on. I hope it's still on the script when it's released on Friday.

Agreed.

who else thinks that even if this scene is in the movie, it won't explain why some dissapear when they die, and some do not? qui-gon didn't dissapear, but can still come back and talk. Also: who the hell told vader how to do this technique??

Here's a question: if Neeson was willing to return for ROTS, did he, by any chance, record the dialogue he was originally meant to have in AOTC, for a future special edition release? It'd make sense, given that Lucas took advantage of the opportunity presented by having McDiarmid in full Emperor costume to remount the TESB hologram scene...

D'OH - I see that someone's already pointed this out earlier. That'll teach me to spout off without reading the entire thread...

SG

By process of elimination, the scene is question pretty much has to be the Qui-Gon/Yoda one that was supposed to be at the end of the movie. Ternian, do you have any news regarding this?

I for one will be very dissapointed if the whole force ghost thing is not explained in at least some capacity. I liked how the Qui-Gon scene worked on paper, but wouldn't miss it too badly (although it would have been cool to see Qui-Gon again and to boost TPM's importance as well) as long as a good explanation of some kind is still worked in there somehow. I can't see it as anything other than a huge plothole if it isn't addressed in some form.

Then again, this whole story could be a crock, or a misunderstanding. I e-mailed Randy Stradley at Dark Horse Comics to see what scene he was referring to, but he said he couldn't comment about the story at all due to a confidentiality agreement with Lucasfilm, so there's no confirmation that he was quoted correctly. Also, it doesn't make sense to me that Lucas would scrap the whole scene entirely, when a decent voice actor could do Neeson's lines. The guy who did it in Clone Wars was pretty good.

Not sure if I buy the post on this board about him declining to record the lines. The scene may indeed end up not making the final cut, but call me a bit skeptical, because everybody and their brother is claiming to have inside information these days. Look at that crock review on AICN, as well as the idiot who had claimed that he saw a rough cut on here several weeks ago. Not accusing anyone of lying, but without the goods being produced (as Spoillerific, Ternian, etc. have always done), I don't trust any source except the official site, and even then, McCallum is not always reliable.

I'm saying the Chewie scene, regardless of what homeboy with the Travis icon says. That just doesn't even FEEL right, that Neeson would refuse to provide dialogue, especially since:

1) He appeared in the big group photo
2) It makes his character one of THE baddest Jedi around - dude's teaching Yoda
3) It would have been a day of work and made fans happy
4) Neeson being where they were filming and the coy replies regarding it
5) The scenes in Clone Wars with Qui-Gonn teaching Anakin

#5, consequently, is probably why Anakin can reappear as a Force Ghost. Qui-Gonn was training him through his dreams as, communicating with him. Most likely, this is how Anakin learned.

Number 5? I think that the vision was for Anakin, but Yoda kind of heard it as well, since Yoda is the one that says "Only what you take with you."

I dont believe that Anakin had to learn anything. It is turning out to be that he is the chosen one who brings balance, it just takes him most of his life to do it. I believe that since he is the chosen one of the prophecy, that the living force bestowed upon him the ability to be a force ghost as a reward for being redeemed by Luke & showing love for his son by sacraficing himself. His son shows his love & belief in him thus enabling him to break whatever stranglehold the emperor might have on him, allowing him to kill the emperor. After all is said & done, Anakin has brought balance to the force, thus fullfilling the prophecy.

Honestly, that's a great way to look at it. I doubt, however, that GL has thought things out well enough so that this is the overriding theme. Remember, this is the same man who allowed Jar-Jar to have 2 times as much face time in TPM than Darth Maul.

GL's disregard of of the need for consistency between the trilogies makes any of the aforementioned EW scenes eligible for deletion. (Ex., how can Padme die at the end of ROTS right after giving birth when Leia says, in ROTJ, that when she remembers her mother from when she was very young or in ROTJ Bail Organa says 3P0 and R2 are for his infant daughter, but in SW, 3P0 says Capt. Antilles were the droids' master, etc.)

GL's making things up as he goes along. The Qui-Gon/Yoda scene is a throw in which he never had planned at the start of Episode I.

Actually, George said when TPM came out that Qui-Gon is connected to the force ghost thing. So fuck off.

Don't be so tempermental, AchillesLastStand. In the past, GL has admitted that he has made things up as he went along. When he originally wrote SW, he didn't plan on killing off Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan was suppose to continue training Luke. GL admits that he had to come up with a new Jedi to teach Luke for ESB. Also, the final battle in ROTJ was suppose to be on the Wookies' homeworld, but since he made Chewie seemed "advanced" he decided to go in a new direction with the Ewoks.

My question to you is, why does the "force ghost thing" need to be explained? With the original trilogy, it was understood that the only those on the "good-side" of the force would have their life essence join with the force upon death and their body would fade away (ex. Obi-Wan and Yoda.). The same could not be said with those on the dark side. Since Anakin had been part of the dark side, he needed his physical body immolated, so he could join with the force even though he had turned back to the goodside.

Edit my name off off those quotes from above...

SMC - yes, Lucas not using a disposable character like Darth Maul more proves that he's making things up as he goes along.

Actually, your comments prove you're a tool and nothing more.

I'd argue that the scene really doesn't explain all that much anyway. From the spoiler reports and novels we can see a scene where he just tells Yoda that he will teach him how to achieve immortality....but he doesn't explain how or why he was the first to achieve it, etc.

But I would still love to see Liam in the film...even thought he hates the prequels

I mentioned Darth Maul only as an example that GL's judgment is not infallible. He is a film maker, not a prophet. He sets to make entertaining movies, some times he succeeds, sometimes he fails. It's part of being in the movie business.

By the way, you seem to think that Jar-Jar is not a disposable character. Who's the tool, Jedi Master Matt. GL has said that he created Jar-Jar for the younger fans' amusement, not for some ingenius storyline.

Also, for proof that GL has made up some stuff as he goes along, all you have to look to is his own words in, for example, "From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga."

SMC=

You really dont read these threads do you?

i think its just a play on words. I heard that Duko's hand doesn't get cut off, his HEAD does. Just what i heard.

His hands get cut off before his head does, genius.

What is that SW to Jedi thing from? A book? one of the dvds? just curious.

From SW to Jedi, is a LucasFilm documentary on the making of the trilogy. It first aired on PBS in the U.S. in 1985. It has great behind the scenes footage and interviews, especially with GL. It focuses mainly on ROTJ, because there was no independant "making of" documentary for that film. It's narrated by Mark Hamill. It's a precursor to what you get on the DVD collection. It's only available now in VHS (NTSC) format and its for sale with Amazon.com.

yikes... settle down guys. (how the hell does every SW arguement come down to Jar-Jar?)

yes, Lucas does throw some things in there as he goes along. but yes, he did have a general storyline in mind. he just would not be satisfied if he had to let go of something he knew he had to put in the film.

jar-jar was supposed to be a physical comedy character. one whom you were supposed to be amused by his pain and embarassment (thus, him landing on his crotch, stepping in poodoo, getting his tongue zapped, etc.)
I agree the movie didn't need him, but that's ancient history. back on topic.

Liam had the opportunity to provide his voice. His evasiveness lends that he may have recorded dialogue. It's not exactly a "this=that" situation, but it's worth more than the word of someone claiming to live in the vicinity of the studio. anyone can claim to know insider info. (SS (posting from year 1998) is a prime example of that.)

Well, from the Trivial Pursuit clip, we can assume with great accuracy that Qui Gon is at least alluded to in the movie

Whether or not we hear (or less likely, see) him remains a mystery.

I Doubt that the attack on the jedi temple will be removed, after all, you need everything you can get by adding this dark and evil atmosphere to the movie, we need to see anakin's evil deeds in the fullest, imagine you would look and see anakin leading the stormtroopers in the temple, lasers fly over their heads and he sabers the first jedi, screen turns black....

"*sigh*.... soooo..what now!"

If this would happen we could see a 2nd ''anni kills the sandpeople'' scene, it leaves you empty! i want to see jedi's die! >=D, i want to hear evil music as anakin's eyes are filled with rage and stabs every single one of those jedi's, heads cut off, force choking...

*grins*