Nice job on the PDF mrblack!



I've OCRed all of the ones I've done so far.

I have all of the Order 66 chapter in text format. JangoFett2296 said he'd post more soon, but I can post the rest of it if he doesn't have time.

Good. I thought you were doing it by hand...

This deserves a Ric Olie "You catch on pretty quick".

jesus christ
thanks!

thanks for the posts guys..... I really like the Order 66 Chapter... Bail Organa is my favourite character from the PT

Hmmm. I am tempted to read this, but somthing tells me that once I do so, I will have crossed a line beyond the point of no return. I have spoiled most of the basic plot points, but having the scenes mapped out in detailed descriptions... it's going to take away from my enjoyment of the film on May 19th I think. Still... very tempting.

I don't mind knowing about most of the scenes, thier setups and what happens etc. But by going through lines from the novel I think I'm going to spoil too much. I want to be able to experience some feeling of surprise when I see ROTS, some feeling of 'Gee, what a cool way to have the scene play out..'

I guess this means I'm signing off now... until the film is out that is. The spoilers will only get more and more revealing from here on in, I think I'm better off out of it. Will probably resume posting once the film has been out for a while. There will be plenty to discuss once that happens.

Peace out!

Twinner now has is own dedicated thread:
http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3540

Let's keep scans here and transcriptions there.
Good Idea?

Good. I thought you were doing it by hand...

Nahhh... I'm dedicated, but not quite that dedicated.



I think so. Thanks DP.

If you guys like those excerpts, you really oughta check out Stover's kick ass Mace Windu book.

Man Matt Stover is such a great author!

I have been looking forward to this book since I first heard the news he would be penning it! I loved his other two Star Wars books and hoped he would be picked for the ROTS novelization.

These excerpts prove just how well he did. I am buying the book the day it arrives in my bookstore!

PS. Thanks for the scans!

lol.. good writing is clear writing? Oh, my.. lol. K. So all symbolic or ambiguous novels are bad writing. Mystery novels where you are confused about motivation and the story are bad writing. Finnegan's Wake is really, really bad writing. Hmm.. if there are people out there that dumb and with that little taste, it's no wonder DaVinci Code did as well as it did. Thanks for clearing it up, because the sales of that book were really confusing to me.

Oh and...




Ethril, ( hi ), if I understand you (a claim I'm hesitating to make) your problem with Stover's storytelling is that it's "disjointed" and "simpleminded." alright, the first sounds like 1 part personal preference and 2 parts cemented mind conditioned with a dash of "rules of thumb" made law, for seasoning. this doesn't go a long way toward supporting your claim, IMNSHO, so, hopefully, you have other points warming the bench.

As for it being "simpleminded," I'm sort of wondering what brand of flowery language were you expecting to find in a Star Wars novelization? Besides, how often do you find prosey prose in a book anymore? the trend for at least four decades now has leaned toward minimalism but I know you know that so no need to get into it.

also curious if your opinion of Stover's style hinges entirely on those excerpts? His non-SW fiction is "Literature with a capital 'L' " and I know plenty of people far more well-read and well-written than either of us who would agree.

Now, just from all of the snippits I've come across here and elsewhere, I'm on the verge of calling this the best novelization put into print. Now, that's not a very tall order and I haven't read all that many novelizations but if I can be convinced otherwise, I'm willing to eat those words.

My personal take on Stover's style: the man has a gift for metaphor and creative descriptions, but no discipline. He appears to be a bit too in love with his own cleverness, and needs to learn that less is often more.

I'm not particularly novelization-savvy, but in reading the excerpts, I felt quite frequently that a little had gone a long way, and the style had become sugary and distracting. He had me at, "Hello,"... he didn't need to go on for 5 more paragraphs.

But buried within his would-be Hardy-esque sentences appears to be a pretty cool story. I hope he's a young author, so he has time to reign in his abilities and use them less like gimmicks.

_Mike

How do I really explain why I think a piece of writing is "bad" without going through it point by point? I don't know. Right now it's pretty late and i'm not at all in a debating kind of mood His writing reads, basically, as if he took the screenplay in a word document and elaborated on the action descriptions a little bit. His constant paragraph breaks are an excuse for having a rhythm in his actual words, and an ebb and flow to his syntax. There is no cohesion, form does not meld with content. Lots of people keep saying that it's just his style.. Bad word choise, weak command of language, bad flow between dissparate threads of the scenes, and so on. I'm fully aware of what his style is, and I'm not saying that anyone who uses that sort of style is catagorically "bad".. I'm saying that he is doing his chosen style poorly. I think maybe the flaws will be more apparent to people when they try reading a whole book of this stuff, rather than little excerpts.. If all this was intended as was a spoiler report on a website, then it would be great stuff.

Oh, and to the question, "What did I expect from a Star Wars Novelization".. you're right, of course. That's all it is.. nobody expected literature with a capital "L".. honestly, I doubt that would even be possible, as these stories are expressly designed for film, and when Star Wars films truely do achieve sublime moments, it is almost always through a wordless visual sequence or a juxtaposition of words and images. The point was that people are going on about how "well written" this stuff is, and that's just pretty sad. If you enjoy it that's one thing, I wouldn't judge anybody for that and honestly I enjoy it myself. But to think it's anything other than a hack-job just for fun and profit is kinda delusional and makes me sad for the literacy level of the populace.. that's all.

Just a quick question on the old continuiety issue regarding Leia's memory of her mother:

We all know now that Padme dies seconds after Leia and Luke are born. We also know that when Luke in ROTJ asks Leia to remember not her mother, but real mother, she says she remembers her as 'sad but kind'.

Are we still to assume that Leia's referring to her surrogate mother? In that case Lukes emphasis on 'real' - in the light of ROTS - seems to suggest three mothers.

I think the Luke-Leia scene would benefit from a manipulation is this respect. But maybe I'm nitpicking.

Actually. I really don't think there's any problem with this. Leia says she only remembers images and feelings. These are things that she could have sensed through the force; a power that she didn't know that she had. All Leia knows is that her mother died when she was young, so she has just taken the feelings and images that she felt and presumes them to be her memories as an infant. You have to look at the whole conversation from the point of view of Leia.

It's pretty weird when you try and think of your own childhood memories. There comes a point when you can't be sure how old you were. I can only go so far back before it's just snatches of vague images, and part of those I'm sure I filled in over time myself.

I would imagine that, at least early in her life, she was raised under the impression that the Organas were her real parents. Considering that the whole family interacted closely with the empire, that is probably information that they would not want to get out in the open. So she may be having some kind of false memory, or a memory of someone else. Not that it fucking matters, because it is unlikely that they will explain this. Just another way to look at it.

Interesting thing. The executive order FDR signed that allowed the government to round up the Japanese and inter them in camps? Executive Order 9066.

That really is interesting. I did not know that.

Bespin Sunset & Vinceyoung:

Yeah, my childhood memories are pretty fucked up and manipulated through all the pictures and stories I've been shown and told. But that wouldn't hold up as a movie explanation, I think.

The force theory is cool though. Although in that case it's strange that Luke has no such connections.

Unlikely, since Luke asked about her mother, her real mother. They both seemed to know she was adopted by this point.

You know, there were Order 66/23 issued by Thai goverment to end the conflict with Thai Communist Party peacefully some 15 years ago. Kashyyyk plates was shoot on locations in Thailand and the name Utapau is also the name of district in south Thailand that once an air force base the US military used during the Vietnam war.