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PTGrievous

Posted: February 26th 2005 9:00 pm

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MUSTAFAR

There is a stronghold (secret bunker) on Mustafar, worth a fortune, as Gunray says, and able to withstand an attack of ten thousand Jedi, as Grievous puts it. From it's command center all battle droids in the galaxy may be deactivated - and they are, as a matter of fact, exactly one hour before Vader's arrival (this means the Clone Wars are over). There is also an automated lava mine built by Techno Union to draw precious metals from liquid stone.

When Anakin arrives San Hill is the first to be killed, followed by Shu Mai, then Rune Haako, Wat Tambor and finally Nute Gunray.

UTAPAU

* The Boga dies heroically: she takes all the shots from clones upon herself, protecting Obi-Wan. Together they fall down, into the ocean at the bottom of the sinkhole.

* Grievous's home planet was Kalee. He was injured in a shuttle crash and the Sith had the Geonosians create his shell for him. Count Dooku himself trained the General in how to use a lightsabre.

* Grievous is on the tenth level, as told from Tion Medon. The Utapau people are held hostage.

* R4-G9 flies Obi-Wan's starfighter off planet, so that no one knows Kenobi is still on the planet.

* The city is powered by Windmills.

* Obi-Wan uses the Force to get a wrangler to let him use Boga.

* Kenobi is surrounded by Grievous, his guards, and one hundred battle droids on level ten. Kenobi strikes and takes out one of the four guards, slicing it in half. He duels the other three.

* Obi-Wan uses an electrostaff at one point against Grievous

Oooooooooh baby, Grievous news is good news

Hopefully Obi Wan takes out all of those Battle Droids

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DoubleSith

Posted: February 26th 2005 9:08 pm

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Finally, some info on what's going down on Utapau.

I wonder how much these scenes changed after the Palpatine = Sidious reveal was changed from Obi-Wan overhearing a holotransmission between Grievous and Sidious to Anakin informing the Council. I imagine some of it must have been trimmed.

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BearaceDougie

Posted: February 26th 2005 9:17 pm

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so Obi uses mind trick on a handler to get the boga aye?
sweet
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taku

Posted: February 26th 2005 9:24 pm

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Aw hell, why do I keep reading this stuff? Nothing will be a surprise...

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Indiana

Posted: February 26th 2005 9:29 pm

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Poor Boga.

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Caback

Posted: February 26th 2005 9:57 pm

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Poor Haako

I noticed that Hill is the first to go. Fitting since all the sheep whined and bitched about him. I wonder how each one bites it? For that matter, how the hell does Obi-Wan get out of his situation?

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guerrestellari_it

Posted: February 26th 2005 10:06 pm

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Caback wrote:

For that matter, how the hell does Obi-Wan get out of his situation?

I think that scene happens "exactly one hour before Vader's arrival (on Moostafah)"...

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Zidious

Posted: February 26th 2005 10:20 pm

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"Hopefully Obi Wan takes out all of those Battle Droids "

They might just stand and watch, with GG being so arrogant he doesn't think he needs the help.

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PTGrievous

Posted: February 26th 2005 10:22 pm

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guerrestellari_it wrote:

Caback wrote:

For that matter, how the hell does Obi-Wan get out of his situation?

I think that scene happens "exactly one hour before Vader's arrival (on Moostafah)"...

But then Obi has to beat Grievous, steal Grievous' fighter, find Bail, return to Coruscant, watch the holotapes, make a plan with Yoda, talk with Padme, fly to Mustafar.

By that time, Anakin would be returning home from Mustafar :P
I hope Obi gets to dice those droids up, it would be fun, like the House of Blue Leaves scene in Kill Bill

Darth_Zidious wrote:

"Hopefully Obi Wan takes out all of those Battle Droids "

They might just stand and watch, with GG being so arrogant he doesn't think he needs the help.

Yeah probably, but droid massacres are fun

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Thundercracker

Posted: February 26th 2005 10:26 pm

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When Anakin arrives San Hill is the first to be killed, followed by Shu Mai, then Rune Haako, Wat Tambor and finally Nute Gunray.

So are these the only Separatists that we see get killed onscreen? Passel Argente, Denaria Kee, Po Nudo and Poggle the Lesser are also supposed to be present at the Mustafar facility.

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Kenobi is surrounded by Grievous, his guards, and one hundred battle droids on level ten. Kenobi strikes and takes out one of the four guards, slicing it in half. He duels the other three.

I love the sound of this. This confirms that Grievous has more than two MagnaGuards and that Obi-Wan duels three of them at once. I had previously thought that one of the participants in that fight was Grievous but I guess he just watches.

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guerrestellari_it

Posted: February 26th 2005 10:43 pm

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PTGrievous wrote:

guerrestellari_it wrote:

Caback wrote:

For that matter, how the hell does Obi-Wan get out of his situation?

I think that scene happens "exactly one hour before Vader's arrival (on Moostafah)"...

ok, you are assuming that "one hour" means one hour in the galaxy far far away.

I'm assuming that "one hour" is one hour of film, maybe Tern will answer that.

I wonder if they speak of hours in the movie...

Nute Gunray: "Hey, you Sith with a blue Saber! Don't kill me! I just pushed that f**** button EXACTLY one hour ago, look, I push it again!"

click-click-click-zzzzwwoooooonn!

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CoGro

Posted: February 26th 2005 11:03 pm

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I think people fear way to much about the pace of the movie and whether or not it's possible for all the plot to be included in one film without hurting the final product.

2 hours is a long time. Most films you see are about 1 hour and 40 minutes, and alot of stuff happens in that time.

The movie will be separated, roughly like this:

first half hour: space battle, plot established - yoda to kashyyyk, obi to Utapau, Anakin to council

Next half hour: Obi's mission develops, Yoda's mission develops, beginning of Anakin's seduction, origins of the Rebellion

First half of hour 2: Rebellion takes shape, truth about Sidious/Mace v. Palpatine, Order 66, Close of Obi's mission, Close of Yoda's mission, Jedi hunted

Next half of hour 2: temple massacre, Anakin to mustafar, Yoda v. Sidious, Obi to mustafar, the duel, coruscant escape, mustafar escape

Final act: creation of Vader, death of Padme, Birth of Twins, Obi to Tattooine

That isn't much stuff considering how each of these major plot points takes about a combined hour and a half to get across effectively.

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PTGrievous

Posted: February 27th 2005 12:36 am

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guerrestellari_it wrote:

I'm assuming that "one hour" is one hour of film, maybe Tern will answer that.

Oh, it could mean that too can't it.

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VT-16

Posted: February 27th 2005 9:59 am

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So cutting down on events somehow equals "Screenplay perfection"? Give me a break, it is possible to have many locations and characters to follow and still get a good movie out of it. Seems like people forgot about a little thing called LOTR. :weed:

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BearaceDougie

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VT-16 wrote:

that wasnt a good movie :monocle:

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PTGrievous

Posted: February 27th 2005 10:11 am

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VT-16 wrote:

It's like timing a joke, if it's too short or too long, you won't get any laughs.
And LOTR is not THAT good. Willow is better (a Lucasfilm :monocle:

) , and it's because it's simplified and has funner dialogue

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VT-16

Posted: February 27th 2005 12:11 pm

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My own problem with LOTR wasn´t that there was a big amount of characters, places, time or events, that in itself wasn´t bad. It was the characterization of some of the people, and how some scenes and dialogue stretched out and got boring. The end product was good, but not great.

Of course it didn´t stop a majority from proclaiming it "The SW of our generation!"

Bottom-line is, big, complex stories aren´t neccessarily a bad thing if you´ve got good characters to follow. With the exception of Natalie Portman (though that may change in this one), SW has overall more interesting actors than the LOTR films.

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MasterKyobi9d9

Posted: February 27th 2005 1:16 pm

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^I agree. Star Wars actors have more style and energy than the LOTR actors. I'm not saying the LOTR actors are bad, just not as good as SW.

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CoGro

Posted: February 28th 2005 12:21 am

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Firstly, Star Wars by nature is supposed to be epic...large scale...and the reason we have a Kashyyyk sequence is to show the vastness and the scale of the clone wars. Yoda is a main character, he can't go with Obi-wan to hunt Grievous because that's overkill, he can't stay on the capital because the Jedi there have to die, so his only option is to be off world and participate in a foreign battle.

Secondly, ROTS can't be compared to ESB, nor can it be compared to any other movie in the series based on screenplay. If ROTS were to have 3 simple threads, you would have a dozen unresolved plot points. That's just the nature of this film.

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Hade

Posted: February 28th 2005 3:18 am

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When Anakin arrives San Hill is the first to be killed, followed by Shu Mai, then Rune Haako, Wat Tambor and finally Nute Gunray.

Where is Passel Argente and Poggle the Lesser? :what:

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VT-16

Posted: February 28th 2005 4:25 am

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Any scene, for me, has to be justified by adding to the narrative or to the characters.

You could argue that it adds to Chewbacca´s character. Since he´s initially more willing to help the Rebels than Han is, it could stem from fighting first the Separatists, then the Empire on his home-planet. Chewie´s a war veteran, basically. He knows what they´re going through.

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Poggle the Lesser?

Granted amnesty to work on the DS?

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