Evidently you are not missing anything then...

I'm surprised no one has commented on this yet:



Finally some explanation as to who was behind that fiasco.

I don't think that implies that Palpatine had anything to do with it, only that Anakin has told him about it and Palps here uses that knowledge to his advantage by bringing it up. But the slaughter was all Anakin.

NO, but it does imply that Dooku had something to do with his mother's kidnapping.

Edit: I included more of the text in my quote above to be more understandable.

No it doesn't.

I don't think it implies that at all - if anything, the implication is that Palpatine has said similar things to Anakin before as reassurance - for example, if he had left the Sand People tribe live, his mother would /still/ be dead and the tribe would /still/ be kidnapping innocents and murdering them.

Same thing here - if Dooku was still alive, what's to stop him as a Sith Lord esacping and continuing the war?

Maybe I'm missunderstanding it, but to me it plays out like this:

- Dooku "kidnaps" Palps..

- Anakin stops and kills Dooku

- Palps states that Dooku was too dangerous to be kept alive, adding that this isn't the first time Dooku has done something like "this"

- Then adds the bit about the his mother and the sand people.

Wouldn't logic dictate that "this" = "kidnapping"?

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Dooku wasn't responsible for the kidnapping. Period.

If Palpatine/Dooku had anything to do with Shmi's kidnapping and murder, it'd be the most contrived plot point since "Palpatine is Anakin's father!"

Palpy is saying that Annie has done something he knew he shouldn't before, ie killed the sandpersons.

This means that Palpatine is saying this isn't the first time ANAKIN has done something like this. (The "he" is Anakin in that sentence, NOT Dooku.)

And presumably, as someone else posted, it is to assuage Anakin's fears he's done something wrong by killing Dooku. Rather, Palpatine is telling him, just like when you killed the Sand people, you acted here on your feelings, and you did the right (and necessary) thing.

You're reading it wrong - there's two pronouns: "him" and "he". Both refer to Ani in the context of the quote.

he reassures Anakin, "He [DOOKU] was too dangerous to be left alive." Anakin expresses some remorse at what he[ANAKIN]'s done, but Palpatine reminds him [ANAKIN] that this is not the first time he[ANAKIN]'s done something like this. "Remember what you told me?" Palpatine says, "About your mother and the Sand people?"

ah... got it. Thanks.

When Palpatine says "this is not the first time he's done something like this." he's talking about Anakin killing for revenge.

If Yoda had any idea that Palpatine was Sidious, he would have sought to defeat him long ago.

By Episode III, they're suspicious of Palpatine being involved. But it doesn't seem to cross their minds that he is actually Sidious himself.

Too true. My favourite bit has got to be the 'fuck Kenobi' line from Palpatine. Nice and subtle - you can see where Luceno got the 'Kenobi has no other purpose but to die' stuff for LoE.

What an evil mofo.

Aside from that, the Obi-Wan and Anakin bits from the start of the duel sound note perfect.

Not me. I can easily imagine this going down in a similar way as in TPM with the fight between Maul and Qui-Gon. During the intensity of that fight they're clashing lightsabers and Maul surprises Qui-Gon by smacking him in the face with the hilt of his lightsaber.

http://img207.exs.cx/img207/4234/deathofquigon0kh.gif

That left-field move lead to Qui-Gon's death, so I can see Anakin also using an unorthodox way of using his lightsaber, confusing Dooku in the process and giving Anakin just enough time to snatch his lightsaber from him.

A little off subject, but I've always loved how Maul is already walking away before he pulls his lightsaber out of qui gon's gut. What a great touch.

Well Obi-Wan and Anakin are supposed to fight Grievous and his guards on the bridge. So it looks like Obi might get knocked out twice unfortunantly or T-Bone has some details mixed up.

This report sounds great, I just hope the editing of this fight is better and not as disjointed as the AOTC duel. That goes for all the fights too.

There's no way Obi-Wan's gonna get knocked out twice. That would just be pointless.

Besides, there was that shot of him, Anakin, and Palpatine crash-landing the ship.

Some of Tbone's recent spoilers have been questionable. For instance, he said something is "added or modified" to C-3P0's memory, rather than it being completely wiped. How would we know? His wipe is never shown in the movie, as we know from Tern's spoilers on the matter.

He also said Mace caused irreparable damage to Palpatine's face. We know that isn't true either.

Don't confuse T-Bone with Spoileriffic. 'Riffic has committed himself to quality, honesty, and 100% correctness in posts here at MF.com, and as far as I know, he has yet to be wrong.

That was exactly my point

Yes, but you are a viewer and already get that Sidious = Palpatine. Anakin has not seen TPM or AOTC and can not come to the same conclusions as easily. Especially not about a man he trusts like Palpatine.

T-Bone cleared up the "knocked out" part in his latest blog. . . . he was mistaken - it IS Dooku who knocks obi out. Keep in mind: t-bone is only as reliable as his source and many things change over the course of making a film. . .

The amnesty comment is great, imo. I always saw Dooku as a victim of Palptaine's game -- not wholly evil but ensnared in a way similar to Anakin. I was hoping there'd at least be a bit of moment in there to portray this. . .

Why do I have the feeling that I'll get my price of admission in the first 5 minutes? I'm gonna see this film every day this summer. . .

Possibly, but remember "there is another..."

Namely, Padme. If not for Obi-Wan on Mustafar, she might have been able to bring him back. If not, surely her continued presence would have kept him sufficiently conflicted to force Sideous to eliminate her (as he tries to do with Obi-Wan in this scene) and possibly the children.

If that happened and Anakin found out it was Sideous, I predict some serious shit would go down and Anakin would end up fulfilling his destiny, albiet in a different way that in ROTJ.

The disarming of Dooku could be one of the sweet moves in the saga, ranking up there with the QuiGon/Darth Maul move and ObiWan slicing Mauls Saber in half. I just hope it doesnt look stupid like Dooku slicing Anakins arm off. Watch that in slo mo.


Someone please drag Ben Burtt away from his computer. Spoilerrific you da man.

How the hell are the Jedi supposed to suspect that the friendly Surpreme Chancellor of the past decade is a Sith Lord? Or even begin to comprehend his master scheme?

I could tell you that a terrorist controls the United States. Doesn't mean its true, and you probably wouldn't believe it. That's the same case of Dooku spilling the beans to Obi-Wan.

Then again, I shouldn't have to explain that to you. Since it should be OBVIOUS that, despite WE have it figured out, the Jedi simply never could comprehend how a Sith Lord could manipulate events like this from the inside.

Besides, by ROTS, they are suspicious that Palpatine is under the influence of Sidious.

a terrorist does control the united states.

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."—George W. Bush Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

OK lets not derail this thread like the Hayden Interview Thread got derailed with political crap.

Anakin's a confused naive kid. What does he know?

And WHY does he suggest to Anakin to leave Obi-Wan behind? Because the ships gonna explode or crash any second, so it's almost understandable in a rational way.

Besides, read the report, Anakin is suspicious of it at first.

And again, Mace and Yoda are suspicious by the beggining of ROTS, and only moreso after the kidnapping.

Spoileriffic, do you recall if Anakin's superkick to Dooku's noggin was in the fight or not?

C'mon the best line was Palpy's "Leave him"

If you didn't think that Palpy was evil before this clinches it.

Just goes to show how heartless he can be and how he doesn't care anymore...

good stuff

I love the fact that Anakin refuses to leave Obi behind.

im actually suprised dooku says swords instead of sabers... anyone know if light sabers are refered to as swords else where in the sw movies and if not, the use of swords adds that extra dimension of eloquence to dookus character.

I'm just gonna take a wild guess that if that's still in the movie, it's when Anakin and Dooku come back down the stairs towards Palpatine.

It would mirror Luke kicking Vader down the stairs during the ROTJ duel.

thanks for the insight you sheep.

Thanks for the report, spoilerific! Looks like the episode III dooku duel will do some justice after the hasty, poorly edited AOTC duel. Man, that duel could have been so much more. At least we'll get the goods on this one. And think, the Anakin Obi-Wan/Dooku duel will only be first of five!

It would be nice if that kick was to the handless, unarmed Dooku, positioning him on the floor, on his knees for the final scissor-snip

Rawhead is right.

If you look at the video clip of Anakin's ultra kick he has his tow hands up when he kicks, keeping the two sabers/swords/fighting sticks out of the way..Then after the super ultra kick, Anakin stands there,HANDS AT HIS SIDES, looking discustingly at Count Dooku. YOu can picture swords/sabers/pain jabbers in both his hands and it makes sense.

I don't see two sabers either, but his body motion seems consistant with having a light saber in each hand. I have no other basis than it just being my opinion.

Great fucking spoiler!

My question is, Do we know for sure that Dooku is aware that Sidious is Palpatine? Could it be possible he only knows of him as Lord Sidious? Just like the Neimoidians only knew him by that name & never really saw his face?

Maybe Sidious orders Dooku to kidnap "Palpatine" via holonet, so he has time to prepare to be kidnapped as Palpatine. This to me would seem much more malevolent & in character for someone like Sidious to come up with to attain his true goal of having Anakin become his new apprentice.

Just a thought.

Man, its good to be back. I hate it when my computer goes down.

I know this is EU stuff but read Labryinth of Evil, Dooku is fully aware of who Palpatine really is.

also... its a great book if anyone hasnt read it yet.... basically it ends just as Revenge of the Sith begins.

A warrior is not defined by his sword alone. His continued survival is dependent on his mind, body & spirit. Obi has this complete package which is why he continues to live through all his battles.

He is a good detective, diplomat, & compassionate friend. But in the end it comes down to-Who walks away from the duel & who is served well done?

Despite what you may call his lackluster performance in these previous engagements, the fact remains that he is one of two Jedi left after the purge. So if that does not meet with your approval of him then I dont know what will.