Sorry dude but you are way wrong. DS games are complete trash. I love Nintendo (I own 2 Gamecubes) but seriously. Awesome Hardware, no software. My brother has a DS and I yet to see a game worth buying. Develeppers don't know what to do with the DS. Since my brother got his DS, I have been playing more SP then before. Super Mario 3 and Metroid Zero Mission are great games. Where are the games like this for DS ? I can't find them.

Over all game quality has gone down, in all areas of the game industry.

One thing to note, SMB3 and Zero Mission were NOT launch titles.
That's like saying the GBA sucks because it released with SMB2, well look at the library now...
So far the only games worth buying (in USA) are Super Mario 64 DS (ironically the ONLY Nintendo developed title available right now in USA), Feel the Magic: XXYY and Mr Driller, don't think Puyo Pop is out yet.

There's heaps of MAJOR titles coming out for Nintendo DS
- Wario Ware Touched! (Feb 14)
- Yoshi! Touch N Go (March)
- Jump SuperStars
- Mario Kart DS!!
- Advance Wars DS
- Super Mario Bros. DS (Yes a new one, 2.5D)
- Zelda Four Swords
- Metroid Prime: Hunters
- Pokemon Pearl/Diamond
- Soul Calibur DS
- Castlevania DS
- Final Fantasy III
- Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicle
- Phantasy Star Online DS

AND THEY'RE ALL PLAYABLE ONLINE or via x-link kai tunnel
Not to mention new games that will be shown at E3... SSB DS?
I dunno about you, but that's a much more solid lineup than what's on the PSP. DS is going to have a very rosey future.

BTW, you should get Zelda: Minish Cap for GBA if you haven't already... it runs on DS as well.


Once again, you have not learnt how to use paragraphs or construct cohesive arguments.
With that said...

How is the PSP doing well when the DS is ouselling the PSP at a ratio of 2:1 for hardware, and 3:1 for software.
You haven't told me this.

The PSP is defective, look 12 posts up for evidence - there are pictures, videos and first hand accounts, every unit ejects the UMD if you press certain areas on the backpanel, this is no rumour, it's a fact.
Or did you completely miss that post altogether?

The PSP defects will continue, because Sony has not revised the way they manufacture PSPs, they will still have a pathetic 3 hour battery life, the Square button will likely get stuck, UMDs will be ejected. Ken Kutaragi is laughing at you.

And what are these 'shitty' Nintendo games that Nintendo should stop making?
Or have you assumed Nintendo creates ALL the games for GBA, because Nintendo always makes brilliant titles.

Please, for your own sake, stop trying to argue with me when you don't know what you're talking about.

Really PT, your attachment to the DS is un-nerving. What do you care, i mean really? Yeah, it's a fun little gadget. It has a nice back-lit screen which makes playing GBA games easier. There'll be some really great games released for it...BUT the same can and will be said about the PSP. What, you think there won't be a REAL metal Gear game released for it? A grand theft auto? Gran Turismo? Castlevania? Final Fantasy???!! Sure there are some problems with a few..it has MOVING PARTS in it, it's GOING to get hot. EVERY portable DVD player warms up, it's spinning a disc on the inside for crying out loud. It WILL break eventually. Hell, how many PS2's have had a disc read error? I've personally gone through 2 that would never play a disc again and had to be replaced. Does that mean i think Sony sucks and the PS2 is a crap console? NO, it means it's a freakin machine and shit happens. Get a job and go buy another one.

I remember having this kind of blind loyalty back when the Genesis was going against the SNES. I thought the Genesis was shit....until Sonic, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter 2... etc. were released.

Get over it man, you know you want one. :P

F-Zero Advance
Mario Kart Advance
Super Mario Land 2

fucking amazing launch right there

Listen dude, you haven't even played ANY OF THOSE games ! I have played the demo for Metroid and SM64:DS. THEY ARE BORING CRAP. Old games on new hardware.

ok.. cbf reading all complaints and arguements

which is better PSP or DS?
in catagories such as

Launch Titles:
HardWare:
SoftWare:

etcetc

Launch Titles: Both have no good originals at this point.

HardWare: PSP vs DS is hard here. PSP isnt well designed, the clamshell DS wins in functionality, but PSP looks sexy (at least when you buy it !) but that analog stick is going to get analy raped in your pocket, DS has 2 screens, solid graphics, good batterie, PSP has a nice looking LCD, solid graphics (better than DS, but graphics arent everything), meh batterie, it can play music though, but I'm sure DS will have some sort of multimedia at some point. Both have Wi-Fi.

SoftWare: both shit.


Verdict: Wait until better software comes out. I am waiting until they get the DS smaller, eg. GBA vs GBA SP.

seems niether are worth buying



thats probaly what i will do
but may purchase PSP before then... we'll have to wait and see

Right, so if someone gets a defective PSP unit from Sony, they're a prick.
Take a look at this.


Source: http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/01/24 ... 16985.html

Hah, what a powertrip, and he expects it to outsell 10 years of Walkman sales in just one year.
Next thing you're telling me Gamespot is unreliable

Look man, you're just proving my point, they don't do hardware revisions til years later, which is why you're getting a 3hr battery life with the USA and EUR units and it's exactly why you're wrong... AGAIN!

Well fuck me, do you expect Sony would admit officially that it has a problem?
It's not good PR. Stakeholders would be furious.

Yawn.


1. Kojima doesn't want to put a proper MGS title on PSP for technical reasons, I can dig up the quote if you want.
2. Gran Turismo 4 Mobile's developers have said the final game may only end up with 2 cars simultaneously. Meaning the PR claim that the PSP is as powerful as the PS2 is a LIE.
3. Why not just get a PSTwo, for starters it has the same games and doesn't have a 3hr battery life.


It's classic Sony foolishness, why are you paying $250 for this?
Why should a handheld have moving parts, it's poor design, and the blame can only be laid on Sony.
They can also be blamed for not pursuing film studios to publish their films on UMD... Not that the studios would want to anyway hahaha.


No, it means Sony's customer service SUCKS! Additionally, Nintendo replaced DS units with dead pixels, Nintendo has good customer service.
PS2 has a good library, but I don't see anything that will make the PSP have a good library.


Ahahaha... but the Genesis has crappy colour, and Mortal Kombat and SF2 are on the SNES.


I want the DS.

I said that because you're judging the GBA with titles that were not available at launch, and yet you're judging the DS with only launch titles and not the awesome lineup that is coming.

F-Zero Maximum Velocity was good, I bought it. Not a killer app, just a taste of what to come. Just like DS' launch lineup
Mario Kart Advance was not a launch title.
Super Mario Advance is just SMB2, it's an old game, with less changes than in SM64DS.


I'm sorry you feel that way, because there are heaps of people who say otherwise.
What did you expect from SM64DS though, were you expecting a NEW game?

Why don't you get Wario Ware?
New game on new hardware, comes out February 14.

Launch Titles: Wario Ware on DS
Hardware: PSP is technically superior, but the DS is much more innovative, it has dual screens, mic, touch screen which will allow new forms of gaming (See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/nwt/dssof ... ssoft.html ). DS is more durable, it has no moving parts, it has a MUCH longer battery life as well. I could keep going, but you get the picture, DS is better overall, especially for what it was designed for.
Software: DS has a rosey future, check that list I wrote a few posts up.

You're right, Play-Yan for GBA/GBASP and DS.
SD Cards are cheaper than Memory Sticks BTW, and more widely supported.
http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-11722-1441-x-x-x

Nintendo is pimping WiFi support more than Sony is.


Prepare to wait 2 years at least...
Not sure how you can make the DS any smaller though ;P

That's JUST issues with the square button dude...

Of course it was done on purpose, you do it by pressing certain points on the
backpanel, something you're bound to do anyway with playing.
The point of that video was showing you how easy it is to do.
You are slow.

Why not, I've got evidence it sucks. It's all around you.

Continue living in ignorance then.
Don't look at me when your UMD shoots out at some old lady on the bus.

I can't think of a nicer way to say it.
You're an idiot.

No, because you're pretending these faults don't exist.

Gaming website editors have tried this, so have lots of people with PSPs, even if I quoted them, you're going to block your ears so what's the point.

How many is that? 1?


I'm not going to try and help you any further, it's a waste of my time.

dude you have yet to play the DS or the PSP, why don't you wait.

You can import for $200 USD, it's just a matter of Sony robbing you in broad daylight.
Some people speculate that Sony's trying to make up its losses (Obviously it doesn't cost $200 to make, Sony are incurring losses per unit sold - but then again, all the defects... ;P) by selling it more expensively in the USA.
They'll probably release a 'Lite' pack sooner down the line for $200 if they recoup their losses I guess.
But what's the point. No point in a portable that offers nothing new... except limited portability.

Wrong.
And I do enough product research to know what I'm talking about thank you very much.

Nintendo Bitch

dude, you are over zealous.

Biased to quality

This certainly has been one entertaining thread.

"Sony has announced that a flaw in the PSP's manufacturing process that could lead to stuck square buttons has been resolved. According to PlayStation.jp's support section, the molding of the casing was the problem. Units manufactured in the new year no longer suffer from the problem, thanks to new procedures; older units that did were under warranty and have been repaired or replaced by Sony.
Sony has previously claimed that only 0.6% of the units shipped last year were repaired for square button problems. Anecdotal evidence suggests the problem is more widespread. Either way, it's now resolved, which means that statistics are largely moot. "

"If you will not fight PT, then you will meet your destiny"

nintendo is for kids mario is gay he sux bill gate$ cock go ps2 gta rocks

Not sure if that's an invitation for me to reply :P

Ok so after reading 3 pages of this nonsense, I had to chime in.

Now, not having any real "side" in this issue (i'm a PC/XBox gamer myself) I must say that you two are giving me a good laugh, especially PT.

DKR is like a raving Massachusets liberal, who spouts off about one thing, and when presented with contrary evidence, hems and haws about the issue, acknowedging its existence, and says "but..." and waxes idiotic about his one point again.

PT, on the other hand, is a religious zealot. All he does is talk about why his side is "right." He never takes into consideration any contrary evidence, as if it doesn't even exist, or simply says that it will be resolved, as if it is not a problem now. He makes a living off of putting the other system down. THere is not a single argument or word that anyone can say that can make him feel different, and it's sad really.

Oh well, i'll continue to twiddle my thumbs until we get some sort of XBox portable (c'mon Bill, you can do it!)

I do take contrary evidence into account, but the fact is it just doesn't exist, I'd like to see you prove me that the PSP isn't REALLY bad, I'm not trying to put Sony down, Sony is doing a good job of that on their own.


There's a reason why this picture is so... And it's not because I'm beating sense into DKR1138 :P


Yeah, then you can enjoy crappy games ON THE GO!


Actually XBX2 is looking pretty sweet, more japanese developer support, but it will be all for naught when Nintendo unveils Revolution at E3

Call me a mindless biased zealot if you must, but I'm just a connoisseur trying to make my way in the universe, I like to enjoy gaming's finest
That's why I follow Nintendo, the day they stop making games is the day I quit being a gamer.
Rock on Nintendo, rock on...

This thread needs more DS looove

COMING SOON!
-Advance Wars 3 (Nintendo)
-Animal Crossing (Nintendo)
-Another Code (Nintendo)
-Baten Kaitos DS (Namco)
-Boktai (Konami)
-Bomberman DS (UbiSoft)
-Castlevania (Konami)
-Dragon Quest Monsters series (Square Enix)
-Dragon Quest Slime Morimori series (Square Enix)
-Egg Monster Hero (Square Enix)
-Final Fantasy III (Square Enix)
-Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles series (Square Enix)
-Ganbare Goemon (Konami)
-Jam with the Band (Nintendo)
-Jump Super Stars (Nintendo)
-Kirby's Magic Paintbrush (Nintendo)
-Magical Vacation II (Nintendo)
-Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
-Megaman Battle Network series (Capcom)
-Meteos (Bandai/Q Entertainment)
-Metroid Prime: Hunters (Nintendo)
-Mobile Suit Gundam Seed (Bandai)
-Pac-Pix (Namco)
-Phantasy Star Online DS (Sega)
-Pokémon Diamond/Pearl (Nintendo)
-Polarium (Nintendo)
-Puppy Times (Nintendo)
-Puyo Pop Fever (Sega)
-Secret of Mana (Square Enix)
-Sonic DS (Sega)
-Soul Calibur (Namco)
-Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo)
-Super Mario Bros DS (Nintendo)
-Super Princess Peach (Nintendo)
-The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords (Nintendo)
-Yoshi Touch & Go (Nintendo)
-Viewtiful Joe DS (Capcom)
-Wario Ware TOUCHED! (Nintendo)
-Xenosaga DS (Namco)

Not to mention Nintendo's online plan
Stay tuned

I Love My Playstation

But with that comng soon list... Im Going with DS, Sorry DXR

i'll end up Purchasing both in due time

Are... you... William... Shatner...
What did you play at EB? Metroid?


Episode III is coming to DS as well, but it's going to suck, it's by the Power of the Force guys

He could have played ANY GAME BECAUSE THEY ALL SUCK ASS.

SP 4 eva.

Like halo?

If a portable X box came out, and they ported halo/halo 2 over to it, it would be worth it just for that

I agree

If you do not like Wario Ware Touched!, you are not a gamer.

Halo is WAY over-rated.
It's hilarious watching xbots drool over features implemented 7 years ago in GOLDENEYE for the N64.
"OMG! DUAL PISTOLS!"
Gimme a break

That said, Call of Duty is the best FPS of this generation.

Never said I was a gamer.

Besides you can't fuck with Halo. Co-op story mode is worth the price of an Xbox.

I've played Halo, it's not special to anyone who's played a PC FPS made after 1999...
But I can see how xbots would like it... most of them are not gamers.

You're right, a gamer does play games...

But...

The majority of 'games' on XBX are just tech demos designed to show off the XBX's high specs, yet the games don't look much better than GCN's best.
In fact... I'd even go as far to say that Resident Evil 4 is the best looking console game this generation, followed closely by MGS3.
And let's not dive into game design, Nintendo is still king of this arena, and I'm sorry but if you say otherwise you are WRONG. Never forget who made this industry the way it is.

And actually, I prefer the PS2 over XBX anyday...
At least the PS2 has SOME good titles.

If that is truly what you think, I really have nothing to say to you. I play Halo mostly on PC anyway, but a nice 4 XBox setup in an apartment with 16 players is fan-freaking tastic.