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In the basement of the Senate Chamber, among the debris of delegation pods, Yoda makes a quick exit through a service accessway - running as fast as he can to escape the Emperor.

He soon comes to a stop and uses his comlink to contact Senator Organa. Bail recieves the transmission and soon turns his red speeder towards the Senate building.

Using his lightsaber, Yoda begins to cut through the floors on the Senate - one by one until he comes to the final layer of the Senate building that over hangs hundreds of feet above the ground outside. He cuts through the final layer, just in time for Bail to come roaring through the Coruscant traffic to his aid.

Yoda jumps down into the speeder.

"Are you wounded, Master Yoda?" asks Bail.

"No," replied Yoda, "Only my pride."

Nice report. So Bails not doin ho's in the pods, hes cruisin for ho's.
Yoda's comment can also be a comment that the Jedi as a whole could make.


Interesting though, Yoda gets the hell out of dodge, but he's not wounded. So why does he run? Palps didnt hurt him.

So why does he run?

I think because the clonetroopers are coming in addition to Sidious still pursuing him.

Maybe he realizes he couldn't win.

It says Yoda starts off in the basement. Then he escapes and cuts through the floors.

Is he going up through the floors or down through them?

Sounds like down through them, judging from the whole jumping part at the end.

Very Nice

Though This Floor Thing Is Hurting My Brain.. Going Down Through Basement.. Ahh Yeah

Bearace, Tern just gave an answer which clears it up:

He's coming down through the overhanging part:

Didnt See The Answer, Thanks.. And What A Drop

It's all coming together now.

I like Bail zipping around in his speeder, not just standing around stiffly talking.

Cutting through floors

The problem with this is there is no reason for Palpatine to think that Yoda is dead.

It seems silly to kill the Jedi while letting the most powerful one simply escape without continuing to pursue him until he is found...and killed.

is yoda, running for his life, going to look like the groundhog that was in caddyshack running through his holes?



i'm all right, nobody worry bout me

I'd say Yoda will know there's a legion of clones on his ass too.

awesome, although I am gutted at the concept of Yoda getting his ass handed to him.

Possibly it's an equal fight until the clones arrive, and yoda has to make a quick getaway.

That dialogue is lame. I'd take the action part into a small bit of consideration, but Yoda talking about his pride? Balderdash.

The problem with this is there is no reason for Palpatine to think that Yoda is dead.

That's not a problem.

...while letting the most powerful one simply escape without continuing to pursue him until he is found...and killed.

No one said Palpatine isn't doing that.

For some reason I have a hard time visualizing that whole scene.

Yoda running around using a comlink and cutting through floors seems like novel stuff.

But what do I know, Lucas decided to make Yoda flip around while fighting Dooku, so I guess...

If Palpatine doesn´t think he´s dead by the end of ROTS, the years inbetween that and ANH will be long enough to make him believe Yoda´s either dead of old age or that he could simply kick his ass again, should the situation arise.

The way I see it is that Palps has a lot of things to attend to in getting is Empire in order. He knows that he's got Yoda on the run after their little duel so the clones carry on the chase looking for him.

Yoda is smart he will not hang around & take on all those troops. The twins must be cared for & safely hidden. I think Palps realizes that even if he didnt kill Yoda he's one of the only Jedi left. I'm sure that the search continues for him, but he manages to elude them until he reaches Degobah at some point.

The Emperor feels that even if he is still alive it would be unwise for him to show himself for fear of the legions of Stormtroopers & the fact that he would probably send Vader after him as well. So he just becomes of little consequence to him.

Not finding him & assuming he's dead is just one of the risks that the Emperor is willing to make. In his eyes why worry about someone who you have already beaten & consider insignificant.

But I could be wrong.

His overcnfidence is his weakness.. to uh, be all corny about it. What difference does it make to Palpy if Yoda's alive at the end of ROTS? he's the friggin' emperor, all the other Jedi are dead, and the Chosen One is his little bitch.

All things considered, he's got all he needs to keep the green man oppressed..

well, for about 20 years, anyway.

I love it. Well love is a strong word, but i like it. Its good. Im not a "Yoda rocks" kinda guy, or a "Palps is a badass" guy either, im a R2 fan, myself, and i always thought the "Palps kicking Yodas Ass" was a pipe dream i doubted Lucas would make either one of his good and bad mofo characters seem weak. This proves my doubts, for Yoda emerges looking not weak, because there was no winning on account of The Emporer having a crap load of mind controlled Clone Troopers on there way to help him, but does look somewhat beaten. And the Emperor doesnt look super badass because he needs the troopers to help, or else why call them. If the tables were turned and Yoda had a team of Clone Troopers under his mind control i bet Palps would run too. In my eyes they both emerge somewhat equal in this fight, which is EXACTLY what i figured would happen. Great Stuff!

As for why doesnt Palps go after him. How do we know that Palps knows Yoda was rescued. There could be a scene where we see clone troopers peering down Yodas hole into the coruscant air and reporting that Yoda couldnt have survived the fall, even as a master jedi. Its not like everything the Emporer sees with the darkside is true so its not like his foresight would help him with that.

Actually, it's a huge one.



Prove it. Yoda's name is never mentioned by Palpatine or Vader in the OT. In fact, even after he has killed Kenobi in ANH, he continues to make references to Kenobi training Luke.

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Why would he think this? The fight doesn't sound so one-sided. And Palpatine has always been aggressive...proactive. Why would he assume anything? Leaving Yoda alive would be foolish. It would be very silly on Palpatine's part to think like this. It’s not his style.

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Because Yoda will train the son of the Jedi messiah to return and redeem his father.

If Yoda is gone, there's no one to train Luke.

Quite a good reason to make sure he's dead. As long as Yoda is alive, he's a threat in some capacity.

Prove it. Yoda's name is never mentioned by Palpatine or Vader in the OT.

Just because no screen time is spent on the issue doesn't mean Palpatine is not pursuing Yoda (or any other Jedi) anymore. We don't know what Palpatine is doing about it because it's not mentioned.

It's very silly on Palpatine's part to assume anything.

By your own standards, you can't prove he's assumed anything, since it is not mentioned on screen. You are making stuff up just to bitch about it.

You'd think Palpatine and Vader would be interested in all of the force-sensitive infants out there, right? But no screen time is spent on this issue. That's because it's a movie and not every possible issue can be covered.

If Yoda is gone, there's no one to train Luke.

Palpatine isn't watching the movie. He doesn't know about those events.

Trump card.

If it's done so that Yoda is perceived dead by the end of ROTS, then it would never be an issue.

Let the hope begin.



No. If there is no one to train them, I wouldn't care if there were billions of them. Neither would he.




He'd be a moron to think there's not a Jedi training Luke. He knows that Kenobi is dead and Luke isn’t training himself.

No. If there is no one to train them, I wouldn't care if there were billions of them. Neither would he.

Wrong. Beings with force senstivity grow up to become renegades and usually dark Jedi. Since you're discussions are taking place outside of the scope of the established screenplays, I am invoking expanded universe now.

Billions of dark jedi = big pain in the ass to usurp power and enter the ranks of Sith.

This thread has taken a turn toward the absurd.

I'm never outside the screenplays.

And EU is about as bad as it gets.

Palpatine needs to think Yoda is dead by the end of ROTS. It's really that simple.

You're right, Palpatine does need to think Yoda is dead at the end of ROTS. To avoid that issue would be a huge plot hole.

Also, we need to see Admiral Ackbar interact with Mon Mothma. If that doesn't go down, then what, I assume they just hooked up off screen and built an important part of the rebellion? Bollocks you say.

Another issue, that's been fucking with my head lately -- alot....

How the fuck does Owen know that Obi-Wan is a "wizard"? Remember the line from ANH -- "That wizard's just a crazy old man"?

If Obi-Wan doesn't do some kind of force-induced parlor trick in front of Owen at the end of ROTS, then I ain't buying into Lucas' fucking bullshit --- again.

And we sure as fuck better get a definitive reason as to why there is a dark cave on Dagobah. If it were up to me, I would spend 20 minutes of screen time showing Yoda dueling an outcast dark jedi once he arrives on Dagobah. What would be breasts is if once Yoda kills him, he impersonates his voice over a comlink and says to Palpatine, "Yoda is dead, your majesty." The Emperor, of course only needing to think that Yoda is dead (instead of having a corpse to incinerate just to be 100% certain) would easily buy it, and all our little plot holes could be tidied up in one fell swoop.

Fuck Lucas pisses me off sometimes.

Re Artmaul
WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
LMAO!!

I'm sure the action incidents may be somewhat correct, but no way is Yoda going to say that his pride is injured. It's not going to happen. With Jedi children dead and everything going to hell in a handbasket, Yoda is not so self-centered to be worried about his pride. Plus he admonishes the Jedi against arrogance in Episode II, and what is pride if not the first step of arrogance?

BAIL
Are you injured?

YODA
Only my pride.

No way, Jose.

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...but maybe it is his style. Palpatine's greatest weakness is his overconfidence. Perhaps we see Palpatine make reference to Yoda being insignifigant after their duel, or some such thing. It would really hammer home Luke's point in ROTJ.

Of course, this scenario really does nothing to answer why Vader or Palpatine never mention Yoda in the OT, but I could still see something like this going down... Palpatine thinks he's beaten Yoda & no longer considers him a threat... in the end, Yoda was the one who trained Luke and brought about the downfall of the Empire.

Thank you.

I think regardless of how this Yoda/Palps thing is handled, there's no way that all the questions will be answered. There's always gonnabe a plot hole. Like what artmaul said about the cave.

Hey... was just wondering...

anyone dissappointed that Yoda gets beaten?...
Love the Sith's, but I always grew up thinking Yoda was the most powerful Jedi in the Galaxy.... I'm sorta dissappointed that this scene sorta contradicts by pretty much showing the dark side is stronger. When in ESB, Yoda says it isn't, but it's more seductive...

Just wondering, since I grew up loving the frog and now he gets it handed to him...

Yeah... But I've always thought the "Jedi" were defeated. Strength in numbers drove Yoda into hiding, but to have him specifically beaten is a bit saddening. You know the best of the 2... Good Vs Evil and evil comes out on top...

Really? I don't think that's necessarily true. Based on the spoilers I've read, it doesn't seem that he's "well beaten"... sounds more like a draw of sorts to me...



Bingo... I think this is the crux of the problem for Yoda. He knows that if he shows his face, the whole of the Empire will come bearing down on him... too great a risk for him to take, given the secrets he, Ben and Bail hold - the twins.

I really don't think Yoda was squarely beaten by the Emperor. I think he met his match, got bruised up a bit - but that doesn't equate to being beaten. Yoda escaped, ran - whatever - from the Emperor never to be seen again. The Emperor assumed he was either dead or inconsequential - hence the Emperor's weakness, his overconfidence. What he didn't expect was for Yoda to be hiding for another reason altogether - to train the one who would bring about the redemption of Anakin Skywalker - and the destruction of the Sith.

So is this event that makes Yoda believe the Prophecy?? The chosen one must be the only one to defeat the dark side? It sounds like to me that they are certainly putting a lot of trust in the twins to redeem Anakin. A lot could have gone wrong/

I thought the senate chamber was going to be destroyed wouldn't that be a perfect ruse to hide from the emporer, he know's Yoda is somewhere in the building and sends the troopers to look for him. Before they can find that he's escaped, the Senate chamber gets totalled, the Emporer thinks Yoda's gone and all is well. Then of course a farm boy turns up in 20 years and ruins his whole thing with his friends but heck you can't be an evil dictatorial ruler for ever.

Yeah, that's true - a lot could have gone wrong. But given the situation they were in, what other choice did they have? Hindsight is 20/20 and Yoda & Ben fully understood why Anakin turned to the dark side - becuase he couldn't let go of his attachments... their bet was that any possible future attachment to his children would bring him back from the dark - and that's exactly what happened.

Thats profound, the attachments in the end are what save Anakin. I have never thought of it like that. Good Job man!

I don't think Ben and Yoda planned on Luke turning Vader. I think they hoped to train a Jedi who could confront and defeat Vader.

LUKE
I can't do it, Ben. I can't kill my own father.

BEN
Then the Emperor has already won. You were our last hope.

Luke charts his own path, however. He chooses not to fight. He tries to appeal to the good in Vader. It is this personal appeal that finally cracks the shell, not some lightsabre blow to the head thrown by a well-trained master Jedi. Luke essentially didn't need to be trained as a Jedi at all for this to go down. Luke's love for his father and a father's love for his son are what did the trick.

Of course, If Yoda and Obi-Wan and the people of Naboo had just went to Watto and paid for Shmi's freedom, none of this would have happened to begin with.

Some of Terns recent spoilers suggest Yoda goes to Dagobah to "unlearn". I remember Luke saying that his X-Wing was picking up huge life readings from Dagobah before he landed,p'raps Yoda picked dagobah to get more in touch with Qui Gons Living Force.

p.s. Nice av SheWhoMustBeObeyed

Some of Terns recent spoilers suggest Yoda goes to Dagobah to "unlearn". I remember Luke saying that his X-Wing was picking up huge life readings from Dagobah before he landed,p'raps Yoda picked dagobah to get more in touch with Qui Gons Living Force.

p.s. Nice av SheWhoMustBeObeyed

Some of Terns recent spoilers suggest Yoda goes to Dagobah to "unlearn". I remember Luke saying that his X-Wing was picking up huge life readings from Dagobah before he landed,p'raps Yoda picked dagobah to get more in touch with Qui Gons Living Force.

p.s. Nice av SheWhoMustBeObeyed

now ive never seen a triple post before...

yeah yoda going to dogabah to unlearn what he has learned is being discussed in the laters spoiler thread more deeply hopefully

The whole thing with Qui-Gon and this duel with the Emperor changes are view of Yoda in the OT totally.

The unlearning what he had learned thing is obviously a big one... Yoda has put himself on Dagobah NOT to escape from Sidious nessecarily, but mainly to relearn the force.

And then, of course, Luke disregarding Yoda's views and going off to confront Vader in ESB is even bigger... because Yoda doesn't want LUke to go and do what Yoda did in trying to kill Sidious.

Yeah, that's a nice one, and something that more resonates with how I pictured Yoda before the PT. In the OT I figured Yoda had always lived on Dagobah, a hermit because of his philosophy, and that's where Jedi went to get his training. Seeing him in a high-rise on Coruscant in TPM was jarring for me. At that point, the natural assumption switched to Dagobah being a place of hiding and/or exile. But it sounds like ROTS will bring him more in line with his OT milieu - he is on Dagobah by choice, due to his philosophy. The switch is that his philosophy is not ancient Jedi wisdom but recent learning, courtesy of Qui-Gon Jinn.


You're right, and it's also going to make Luke's meeting the Emperor much more ominous. When ROTJ came out, it wasn't until Luke threw down his saber and the Emperor gave him the lightning smackdown did we realize how butch Palpatine was, and why Yoda gave Luke such a specific warning. After ROTS, though, we'll know exactly how deadly the Emperor is. Luke rushing into those jaws of death is going to look like suicide - or more specifically, almost as foolhardy and ignorant of the danger as Anakin was.

If this is the way it is all going down, then I think Lucas is brilliant for making that decision to show Qui-Gon's true importance. I've always loved Qui-Gon, because as I've explained to all my friends since TPM was released, Qui-Gon seemed to be a "real" Jedi master. Someone I had pictured since a kid when Obi-Wan would reflect on the days of the great Jedi knights. The idea that his renegade theories on the living force are in fact the "true" nature of the force, then everything that transpires in the OT will mesh perfectly with the prequels.

My excitement for this film grow astronomically every day.