I think that Yoda may watch the younglings while Obi-Wan retrieves the Journal of the Whills from the Jedi Computer.

I'm sure its meant to be given that somewhere offscreen, whether during Episode I or between I and II, Anakin learned about the Sith. Why wouldn't he?

Probably because of the Clone Wars and the lack of any real contact with a Sith other than Dooku and the Jedi still aren't positive he's a Sith either. Besides that there still isn't proof as to whether Obi-Wan destroyed the master or apprentice in Ep1. Dooku is perhaps seen as a renegade former Jedi turned political leader of the separatists, but not a Sith. I think if Anakin learns about the Sith it'll be from Palpatine, and not from the perspective that they are the bad guys.

Luke had an example to go by with Vader and he was thoroughly warned about the Dark Side. Anakin is busy fighting a mammoth war and seems to be getting no advice about avoiding the Dark Side because the Sith are still a covert operation.

I wonder if any Jedi has even mentioned the word "Sith" to Anakin.

That's a good question and personally I think he doesn't find out about the ability to return as a spirit. He may know about prolonging life but not necessarily about coming back.

Tbone just posted his view on the whole Josh issue in his new Tblog. Very interesting....check it out.

I'm guessing the original JG post has been deleted now?

Yep. Someone deleted Josh's post from this thread:
http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=16174546

It's obvious there is a deletion because one of the next people posting says this:

Date Posted: 10/24 12:06pm

You've seen some of it! How?

That was me. He deleted it.

It will be interesting to see what he post on monday. He needs to address all that has happened the last few days. He needs to say (even in a vague way) what he has seen or knows and how.

He can say all he wants that he never said he had a rough cut, but he did lead people into thinking he had one. He even said he showed some of it to his wife.

What he says on Monday will determine what the community thinks of him. His efforts to erase what has happened hasn't helped any.

My belief is the most he has seen is some bits and pieces of scene's and script fragments at the most. Most of what he is basing this so-called review on is probably just what he has been told by insiders and from the bits and pieces he's put together.

I believe he did this for attention. He wanted TFN to be as it once was for a few days before he retired. So he presented spoilers whether true or not in a manner to draw attention to himself and the site. He wanted to go out with a bang.

I hope I'm wrong not because I liked or respected him, I always take everything from that site (and most sites) with a grain of salt, no I hope I'm wrong because I'd hate to see someone at the head of one of the largest fan sites and communties abuse there position in such a way. Abusing the trust (what was left of it) of a community he helped build is not cool.

The jury is still out but the evidence is starting to point in the direction of him being an attention whore who abused his position.

Revenge, sweet revenge. Bitter to some, tasty to others.

yeah Mondays editorial @ TFN should be interesting.

btw, nice avatar!

If Fatboy didn't react to my last post then I'd know something was wrong. I was going to credit Eric Sermon specifically.

ERIC AND PARRISH MAKIN DOLLARS!

I wouldn't be surprised if nothing happens on Monday.

I wouldn't be surprised if nothing happens on Monday.

Well he is also "retiring" that day, so I expect something. My guess is he's landed the starring role in the next Mel Gibson movie.

I think at most he's read the novelization or some other book that's based on Ep3. Could be the novel, a kiddie book, the visual dictionary, comic book adaptation and so on. So if he produces something on Monday it might involve a product, but not the actual movie.

Then again, in the general timeline of how things get made, studio folks, ad agencies and licensees often get to see the rough cut of a movie at this stage of the production. I used to work at an ad agency back before 5th Element came out. I was a junior copywriter and one night after work they gathered us all together for a mandatory meeting which turned out to be a screening of the rough cut of 5th Element for the purpose of giving us an idea of what the flick was about so we can get busy coming up with ideas to sell that shit. A lot animatics were in place at that point, barely any finished effects. The videotapes were treated like nuclear missile key codes.

But after reading T-Bone's diatribe I don't believe that butt dart actually saw the movie.

I wonder how Josh will rebuke Tbone......... hmmmmmm better be good.

I thought it would be a good idea to post T'Bone's challenge. Great read:


GOT GAS?

Being a fan of Star Wars since the time it first graced the screen, once in a while things get so ridiculous out there in the online fandom world that I feel a compelling need to speak out and just let loose. This is one of those times.

The general public might not be aware of this but those harbingers of every rumor known to man, TheForce.Net LLC (look it up) under the ownership of Sir Philip "I'm getting too old for this" Wise and the soon-to-be-resigned (whatever that means) Pastor Joshua "King of all sheep" Griffin, decided that since news was slow, they'd resort to basically posting any single rumor that comes in, regardless of how silly it may be and without really checking it out. See, basically, if you post everything possible at the wall and then something sticks, you get bragging rights and can say, "You saw it here first." We're all guilty of it to a degree but they seem to really take it to the limit. I try to make sure anything I say or post is at least somewhat legit before letting it fly. I use every resource I can to try and verify things and if I can't I'll fully disclose that it's just rumor and not to be taken seriously.

Anyhow, the folks over at that site love to post just about anything that makes Lucasfilm look silly, anything that will cause controversy, and anything that they think will make fans freak out. You see, negativity drums up more publicity. Take this scenario: It's a full seven months or so until the release of EPISODE III. If I were to post a review today and say I saw the film and it's great, without giving away anything, it might make a few headlines and then it'll go away. If I were to post a scathing review saying EPISODE III is going to be crap, the acting is terrible, Jar Jar is annoying, the plot leaves you unsatisfied, Vader sucks, etc., then you'll see that spread around the net, and probably into magazines and TV, like wildfire and fans will go berserk resulting in weeks and weeks of debates and deliberations on message boards about how Lucas sucks and how he's screwed up the franchise.

So that being said, they decided to post this on 8/26: http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/tfn.cgi?storyID=24672

Basically it's a report of a rumor they were sent, posted verbatim, stating that there's a scene in EPISODE III where Yoda cuts the cheese, farts, breaks wind, lets one rip or whatever colloquialism you want to use. Ridiculous, you say? Wait, it doesn't stop there.

Of course they posted this completely baseless rumor to stir up the sheep pot, ruffle the sheep feathers, and in the process make Lucas look like an ass without saying as much. So, the sheep took it and ran and it escalated to conspiracy theory proportions. It's so out of hand now that people are worshipping the ground that Griffin walks on, holding him high on some sort of sheep pedestal. All hail king of the sheep! He can have that title, actually.

The only good thing about it is that it's mostly contained, like a bad virus, over at their message boards but it's starting to leak out. You see, Griffin is getting off on leaking little bits of spoilerish items via the boards there. In the process, sheep are coming up with theories of their own saying things like Josh has seen the rough cut of the film, Josh has the script, Josh is secretly working in conjunction with Lucas HIMSELF: no I'm not making any of this up. Only deluded sheep could think up this kind of stuff and spread it around. And Josh is eating it all up. Will he come out and say he saw the film? Will he say he has the script?

The answer is no he won't. Why? Because he has NOT seen the film and he does NOT have the script. I can tell you this with certainty so you'll just have to take my word on it. Will any of us get the script? Probably. Will any of us get to see the film early? It's possible but not likely. But as of NOW, he has nothing but rumors and some stuff from licensees. Let me say it again so that the sheep can really hear me: Josh has not seen EPISODE III. Get it through your heads.

While I'm at it - let me clear up another misconception once and for all so this thing will die as it should. Listen carefully, sheep. Yoda does NOT fart in this film. Yoda NEVER farted in this film. This was NEVER, EVER in the script nor was it in any rough cut as Griffin so confidently says on his boards. Now look, ILM has played jokes and done funny things from time to time so I'm not saying the rumor is totally unfounded and no one ever made Yoda fart as a joke on the set, BUT I can tell you with absolute certainty (and you'll just have to trust me on this - it's not speculation) that Yoda farting was NEVER in the film or script - ever. Not in a rough cut, not in an old draft. IT WAS NEVER THERE. OK? There ya go. So stop worrying all about it. Stop picking it apart - it's not real.

The sick part of all this is that Josh is letting this stuff fester over there and grow like a dark mold all over the fan base. Enthusiasm is one thing but the conversations over there are simply mind-numbing and completely sickening, to be honest. You would think that Josh Griffin was C-3PO in the middle of a tribe of Ewoks.

But to make things worse - it's now making headlines on web sites all over and I'm sure some of the actual legit media will pick up on this as well. When they hear someone has seen a screening of the film, they get excited and run stories..and that's what these guys love: to see their names in the papers. It's fun to be recognized once in a while and be in the media but this is just ridiculous. Letting people believe you saw a rough cut to get some publicity is right up there on par with SS (posting from year 1998).com and his stories about being personal friends with Lucas. Even Aint-It-Cool-News picked up on the story and ran with it, stating that Josh has seen a rough cut. They talk about the Yoda fart and all that stuff too. I can't believe for a minute that you guys would really believe all this stuff.

If Josh wants to be a man and prove himself, I call on him on behalf of all fans who are actually semi-normal and have lives to admit that he hasn't seen the film and has no script, therefore ending this silly dog and pony show once and for all. He should correct these stories and stop leading on fans who are just trying to enjoy the time until the film is released, because when you think about it, it's kind of cruel in a way, what he's doing. It's like taking quarters off of old men in Florida. Wise up, sheep. You're being played. Online fandom has hit an all-time low.

And here's one more before I go - because I love debunking more than I love posting spoilers. Josh Griffin has mentioned a list of three things on his boards from EPISODE III. They are, in his words:

Odd Ball - a clone pilot that defends Obi-Wan's crippled ship after he is hit by flak.
Order 66 - the directive Palpatine gives to wipe out the Jedi. The Clones turn at this point.
Delegation of 2000 - the united Senators and politicians against Palpatine. They are concerned about his powers. This is the start of the Rebellion, before the Empire even takes shape.
All I can tell you here is that only ONE Of these is in the final film. You'll have to figure that one out though as I can't tell ya.

Josh Griffin - you are a sick little monkey. In your "review of sorts" you're posting soon, say you saw the film. I dare you.


And with that, I'm outta here. Make sure you vote, people. Don't believe everything you read on those TFN LLC message boards. Josh is just a man, not some sort of god. Stop kissing his ass. The trailer comes out next week and you're going to be happy. HAPPY. EPISODE III is going to rock and rock hard. Be positive about the film and remember... just like women, Yoda never farts.

Until next time,
Blog on.
T-out.
Happy Halloween.

Did Josh respond ??

no idea...but I'm curious to see his response.

This is ridiculous. Is it any wonder I didn't really miss anything for the last few days that I've been kept away from all this?

Though now deleted, my posts earlier in this thread have been vindicated. Josh Griffen is, has always been, and always will be a first class jerk. If this is true, even half true, he's no better than Mickey Suttle.

Could be just me, but this is turning out to be a "how big is YOUR e-cock" inter-messageboard-nerdy-star-wars thing.

Who cares, I mean r e a l l y...who does?

Either way, does it really matter who has the "real" spoilers and who is talking out their ass? TF.N is well known for it's bullshitisms when it comes to spoiler-stuff, why now...is it this some big inter-site-deal?

I come to MF.com to read the facts, and discuss them. Period. Lock this crap up and if you REALLY give a shit who's e-cock is bigger, visit TF.N, I don't want to read about it in every god-damn thread.

I never had much respect for T-Bone, but after reading that I have even less respect for him now.

Oddly, I feel exactly the same way about TFN.

in the end, who cares.

Its do or die now for JG. If JG doesnt post his "spilling the beans" information today or he doesn't post anything at all regarding E3, then we know that he has been exposed.
Now, the only way to go out with some respect is to post a refusal to TBone's comments and whatever original information he was going to post.
I guess only time will tell...

It would be better called "All my sheep".......

T-Bone had nothing to lose by posting his rant, whereas Josh could get into serious trouble if he says more than he's allowed to (providing he actually has seen something significant).

Whatever gets posted tonight will not end the speculation - if he gives us more info then the same people will question it's legitimacy - if he gives us nothing then that really doesn't prove that he's talking out of his ass. Only he really knows, and to be fair he doesn't have to tell us anything, or prove anything.

(for example re-read any of the DVD-WIP threads)

The cynic that I am, I won't take anything as fact until I've seen it for my own eyes.

Yeah, I noticed at TFN theres already a thread about whether he will post. I wonder if that will get locked. Ppl are comparing JG to SS. Im not one to hate TFN or Tbone or JG but what i do hate is being Jerked around its bad enough it happens once in awhile with your average jerk wad who tells u lies about spoilers or whatever, but when ppl in positions that make other people assume wwhat they are saying is gospel say stuff thats BS its fricken petty and childish. So that being said if JG says something meaning full or vindicates himself, coo, but if he just keeps up BSing than shit. ive lost what respect i had for him.

This is such an event, it should be on PPV.

I'm actually looking forward to whatever JG has to say, because whatever it's legitimacy, it'll spawn lots of discussion and recriminations and come backs, it'll help pass a bit more time, and maybe there'll be some stuff everyone will be pleased with. Maybe. Maybe there'll be a lot of bullshit in what Josh says, maybe there won't... I don't know and probably won't be completely sure until I see the film. To a joe like me, the back and forth between 'people who know things', whilst undoubtedly containing a lot of bullshit on one side or the other, is nevertheless fun to read. So I look forward to it, but as always, with a pinch of salt to hand.

couldnt have said it better, efc

That's a poor cover of the "review" part.

Obviously, he enjoyed everyone thinking he had seen a rough cut and didn't want to blow it.

Whatever, though. So long as spoilers keep coming, I could care less about the drama between fan sites.

Has he posted any new spoilerish tidbits? I can't access TF.N from work, as it is blocked by our stupid content filter.

The guy is full of shit.

Though it just makes him look like a loser.

What a dickhead

This thread is too funny. The irony is so thick it would break a chainsaw.

So an anti-climax, then? Shame.

Im disappointed. Mainly cause he said he would post a review of something (whatever he had or claimed too) what a let down. Is there gonna be now "review" or what or is he just gonna be like 'sorry, i worded things wierd, my bad'. I wanted tidbits godammit TIDBITS!

So did Griffen actually say in a post that he was posting something big today, or was this just another PM that got "taken out of context"?

so he's not posting his goodbye editorial or what?

I'm not surprised that JG has wussed out since TBone called him out for being a crock of shit.

hmm apparently he didn't show his wife a "rough cut"...?

If he doesn't post this "review", it'll be the death nail for TF.N

That would be like going out like the bitch that everyone says he is. Man, oh man.

Par for the course really. I consider TFN's credability a step above AICN's and that's not saying much. They tend to be the perpetrators of the SW rumor mill on the net that spins wildly, sometimes out of control much of time.

http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/tfn.cgi?storyID=25096

No editorial.

for the lazy people....

I dont understand why he wouldnt post anything unless he had nothing. Is that what hes trying to say? Cause thats what im hearing.

What a douchebag

Well, i half expected that.

Instead of going out with a bang he goes out with a whimper.

Wasn't even worth clicking the link.

Surely that thread over at TFN should now be renamed:

JOSH THE LIES

Dude didn't even name a successor.

Thursday.

Who cares about this garbage on TFN...

in 3 days you will all be happy, very very happy.

years, months, weeks, 3 days. Think about that.