The change was made because Shaw being the force ghost made no sense since day one but no one really ever noticed.

Vader is essentially a head and partial torso with everything else being robotic right? So why the hell is he standing there with his entire body intact?

Im sure Obi would be like "Hey! How the hell did you get that arm back? I cut that off when I kicked your ass years ago"

Putting Hayden in is a good call. I like it.

LM

Could you imagine force ghost torso Anakin?

Agreed. It makes the saga's story arc stronger

During the audio commentary on the DVD, Lucas is talking. I guess you can get the explanation there.

If some of the changes like Anakin Ghost, or Emperor during ESB look bad, it the fans fault? Lucas said he wanted to wait until after EP3 to work on the DVD. But demand was so great they released them early. If fans could have waited until 2006 or so, Lucas would have time to work long on some of the changes. So it our fault? Was all this rushed?
Making EP3 and redoing parts of the OT had to cost a lot of work and time.

Making what will be easily be one of the fastest selling DVDs ever made can buy you more than a few computer animators.

AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

I've downloaded the codexes from about ten different place but it still won't work on my media player. I've even downloaded the thing on the first page for windows but it still don't work. It keeps on saying Class not registered. and when downloading it has Codex problems. do you why I can't download it.

Codec, and this place isn't tech support. Download the XVid codec and it will work

I already have...

Try downloading VLC, it's a media player with codecs built in.

Trust me on this one.

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I can't believe they made it this bad.

How come they couldn't even keep the the nice look between Anakin and OB1. All the emotion is simply gone.

Hayden Christensen and emotion, together at last!

I'm sorry my friend but I do not agree. The emotion in this scene is in the fact that, after so many years of Chaos, Anakin and Ob1 find each other again. The look of pure tenderness between Shaw and Guiness was about that : Friendship. Now it looks like Anakin and OB1 try to avoid each other. When the first one is looking, the other is not, and vice versa.

For me it s a real shame.

Yeah, they should have french-kissed.



-Jason

Obi-WanXAnakin erotic fanfics!

So the vintage Anakin Skywalker 3 3/4" figure, the Darth Vader masterpiece edition with the 12" old Anakin Skywalker in Jedi robes figure (also Sebastian Shaw version) and POFT2 cinema ghost scene of Anakin, Ben, and Yoda - they're all just wrong now!

http://cargobay.starwars.com/webapps/ca ... /5291/9153

http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?imag ... ritbox.jpg

I guess toy collectors should demand a refund, cause they're just all wrong now and get a stupid Hayden Christensen ghost version replacement!!

My comparison footage is back up.

http://aptirrelevance.com/gupta/anakinghost.avi

lol..

Ok, i guess i need to call up and get my refund for the cantina figures that where deleted in the SE.

This video hopefully isn't real. Because it sucks. What's up with the sinister stare at the camera. Plus Hayden's coloring is slightly lighter than Yoda and Ben's.

Nice try George.

I'm just wondering how many of these JCers will think that there was some evil conspiracy that faked all the DVDs in the stores?

To tell you the truth, I never really felt that Shaw really made me think he WAS Anakin, I just never felt any connection to him. I respect him and all but...well you know what I mean.

WTF??? I mean man...what the fuck?!

Stop making retarded comparisons, this is just a small scene, not an entire movie, asshat!

But he raises a good point, personnally I wouldn't mind if they replaced the whole movie, ya' know with a better one, without gay Prince songs, without a director that had never read a single fucking Batman comic before making the movie...they could call it BATMAN BEGINS.

I'll probably get linched for this but I think the HC/SS scene change is just logical continuity.

I love it !

Why not Ewan McGregor as Obi-wan in the New ROTJ? Luke Skywalker met Obi-wan in his elderly years and would not recognise a young looking (Ewan McGregor) Obi-wan.

Why Keep Sebastian Shaw in the mask scene in ROTJ ? Well ROTJ is set twenty something years after Episode III so naturally he has aged, it would make no sense having Hayden Christensen in that scene.

I think Lucas has got this one spot on.

For all of the Hyperspace Subsrcibers out there, you may see that in one of the Hyperspace videos, you can notice that Hayden is doing the exact same thing when he is getting his hair cut "70's", (forget which video), and also...in the other appearances it is not Hayden. I magnified the video and compared the bone structure to a Hayden at the same resolution. And also, half way through the comparison video, Anakin changes suddenly, from one position to another, and Shaw's movement is fluid. At first I thought that the comparison cut out the scene with Leia and Luke, which is a valid explanation why he changed suddelny, before I watched Shaw and Yoda and Guiness, they were all fluid...so...and...he also CHANGES in height. SEE FOR YOURSELF! It is not Hayden. And also...it has already been confirmed that this is a hoax...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anakin_Skywalker

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This proved to be an internet hoax generated by fans already upset with his apparent decision to never again to release the Trilogy in its original form. Professional digital artists were able to easilly spot that Christensen's head had been rather amateurishly "photoshopped" onto Shaw's body.
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Sorry to dissapoint, but George Lucas would not INTENTIONALLY disgrace the memory of Sebastian Shaw.

Thank you

Wow.



Congrats, you have just won the lifetime clueless fan award!!

Can you explain how Hayden suddenly shrunk in size? Watch the comparison, if you havent already. Also...explain how Hayden looks different the first shot BEFORE leia and luke, and the shot after that...he doesnt look at all like Hayden.


EDIT: And have you SEEN the dvds? If you have, this isnt possible, because they havent been released yet. I know that the sources for your dvd rips and whatnots (lol) is pretty reliable, but seeing as how Anakin was ALIVE when Luke took off his helmet, looking all human, he shouldve died and still looked like Shaw.

If GL did change it...I have no respect.

What comparison video are you talking about? In one of those videos a reaction shot is cut out so it looks like it jumps. I have the final version and it looks just fine.

Edit: BTW, the DVD rips are real and I have them. Sorry buddy. Guess you have no respect.

http://aptirrelevance.com/gupta/anakinghost.avi

Also...if you notice that between scenes (Before and After Luke and Leia) his appearance changes...And to me, it doesnt look real...because I have seen the Ending, and Hayden looks like it was filmed poorly...

Yeah that size change is because a Luke/Leia reaction shot was cut out.

Sucks to be you. I, however, get to enjoy these changes.

If you watch, the distance of the camera never moves between the shot b4 and after L&L, so it cannot be a scene change that brings Hayden down about 2 cms.

If you watch the ending of the DVD version, that is...sorry.

I see what you're saying about the comparison video, but its not noticeable at all in the real ending. It could be as simple as a step back or a bend in the knees.

Regardless, the change has happened and this is the final version.

I totally agree with DKR, its like watching the end of ROTK, you have to watch it in context.

BTW, your quote is from Twin Engines of Destruction comic right?





DarthFirst already confirmed that Lucas said nothing about the change in the commentary, and why can you not post it here if you have it?

I agree with The Sessler.

And also...

If you see the SE or the OT, you may notice that Vader (Anakin) at the end is good, and was back to the light side, as heard in his tone of voice, and he actually showed compassion to Luke, so I am inclined to believe that that WAS his true identity, and was not physically altered by the dark side, someone cannot simply change back to the way they looked BEFORE they get thrown into a volcano and embrace the dark side when they die... If that was the case, and they could change their appearance, then Im sure Yoda would want to look like he had a full head of hair. Lol. That said, I find it very...unrealistic...which is an oxymoron...because Star Wars isnt realistic. Lol...ranting.

Well we're talking about ghosts here. What dictates what ghost looks like? Who's to say that the ghosts don't get to choose their appearance, since a spirit is just a spirit anyway and has no physical form. Really, if it was about staying the way he looked when he died, wouldn't Anakin just look like a few pounds of meat with a smashed up head? You can say he chose to look the way he did before the dark side took him over.

Oh, and it's just a movie, despite my level of seriousness about it.

Not that it needed to be proved again(I think we are only about 99.99 percent sure) but just how does that clip prove it? Lucas or Burtt say nothing about it.

I suppose you're right.

I don't think it looks bad at all, the only thing that's kind of strange is when Hayden looks down like "what the fuck am I wearing" but other than that I kind of like it.

I don't think the ending is ruined at all.

So are you against musicians recording new version of their own songs? Or how about when a band releases a remixed and re-mastered version of an album? It's not exactly the same as before, so does that mean it has lesser value?

If you wanna get nitpicky, then how does Luke recognize Sabastian Shaw without looking like "Humpty Dumpty playing a harmonica"?.

I think it's a reasonable assumtion he knows it's his father, aside from the fact Luke can sense shit through the force, like his father for one..People with the force can sense each other..

If you wanna bitch because it was changed, that's fine, I understand, personally I don't care for some of the revisions myself, but this one seems fine by me.

I never liked how they displayed Morpheus in Matrix 2 and 3.

Speaking of Star Wars I think it's a good idea to have Hayden in. It even makes perfect sense.

Stop complaining, it's too late now. I'm even sure that you all got your neat little OT videos stored somewhere at home. Watch them and be happy.

You know, maybe Agent Smith is right. Maybe it's his God-given right to receive these films on DVD. I mean, after all -- Lucas is a sinner if he doesn't release the films on every conceivable format.

Your argument is only valid if he snatches away your old videotapes. That's the difference quite a few of the whining "purists" can't understand. He hasn't stolen anything away from you. He's simply releasing his version on the new formats. The minute he comes to your doorstop, punches you in the face, and takes your copies, then you have the right to bitch.

And it's ironic you make the comparison, Agent Smith, as it's over-obsessed fans like you that put the franchise on the level of Star Trek.

Points well made, but unfortunately this isn't really what the "purists" are bitching about. See, they have no problem whatsoever with CGI and digital tools as long as they're only used as they see fit. It's OK to clean up matte lines beyond the capabilities of 70's-era film technology, OK to enhance sound beyond the limits of the pre-THX era when these films were made.

But actually alter scenes? Nah -- that's a step off of the beaten path that's been worn down through their skulls by hundreds and hundreds of viewings. That's verging into different territory. And God knows that the "true" Star Wars fan, adventrous as he might once have been, shouldn't have to learn new tricks at this stage.

These are the people it would be impossible to please. If the OT were released on DVD today in its original form, they'd still find something to bitch about. Edges would be "too sharp." Matte lines would be "too clean." The score would be "too loud." That "warm nostalgic feeling" imparted by scratches and dust on the print would be missing.

The saddest part is that eventually they'd discover that they couldn't sleep at night if they didn't own every single iteration of Star Wars on home video, so they'd go out and buy the updated versions ANYWAY -- and then bitch about them.

FUCK 'EM. Let's move on.

I don’t think I have ever read a point so short and so quaint that totally summed up the truth so truthfully. You really can’t pacify a crying baby for long. Babies always find something else to cry about. Time to move on, words to live by.