I would like to see this, but I just can't bring myself to be subjected to Moore's personality and nonsense. I suppose everyone knows that going in, but its a shame that people will still flock to this movie and be affected by it the way he wants you to be (even if you know most of the time he's full of shit; like you said, those images are too powerful to ignore).

I guess I'll try to see it on dvd, since if I saw it in the theater I'd be yelling obscenities about Moore at the screen within the first 15 minutes in a theater.

For an interesting take on Moore's film and his credibility and moral stature, read this article from someone who is supposedly on the same "side" of the political spectrum as Moore: http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

I've heard it stretches truth and such, like Bowling, but really, whatever will get Bush out of office is fine by me (and most of the world).

I like this quote: War isn't hell. Hell is full of sinners. War has innocent bystanders, hell doesn't.

I heard the Cannes Jury was mostly American for this one. Which tells me that it's very possible that there may have been a certain amount of bias that seeped into the process. F 9/11 was good, but not that good ... but then again I'm not familiar with the other films it went up against.

The last two Palme d'Or awards went to movies with 'political' statements: Fahrenheit 9/11 & Elephant (which depicted a couple of American high-schoolers playing a fps, mail ordering an assault rifle, then shooting up the school Columbine style). To me a film shouldn't be chosen by 'relevancy' to current times ... it needs to be the best film regardless. (Elephant wasn't that good IMO, some good scenes but on the whole a bore).

With or without the Palme d'Or F 9/11 was going to have an awesome opening weekend like it did, it's been in the news just because of the whole Disney thing.

I'm not sure what my point was with this post ... the film itself was good, probably 'rental' for most people. I think my real gripe is with the Cannes film festival ... I'm not close enough to the situation there but the last couple of films to receive their top award have been 'iffy' to me.

And if next years winner has something 'relevant' to say I'll probably just skip it.

I just saw it and thought it was fantastic. Not objective, but it doesn't pretent to be, like Fox News.

I knew most of the stuff going in, but seen altogether, it seems almost TPM'ish in it's scope, the way Bush usurped the presidency and used the tragedy of 9/11 to promote plans for war with Iraq.

I think even the biggest Bush defenders would at least have to take a serious look at how things went down, and whether this guy, if not outright evil, is a retarded pawn of the Saudi Royal family.

Moore keeps getting labeled as a democrat mouthpiece, but he takes shots at everybody in power that allowed a lot of this shit to happen. He also left some stuff out, like Haliburton overcharging up the ying-yang for services not even rendered, and the torture of Iraqi people by coalition forces.

I know that anyone can make a movie and make anyone look like the devil, if they have the skills and money to do it. I don't take everything the guy says as gospel, but most of it is just news footage placed in a context that expresses his view of things...and it really does seem like if he's wrong, he couldn't be wrong about all of it.

There are statements by the administration that are in direct contradiction of each other- Before 9/11, they have Colin Powell and Condoleeza saying Saddam is contained and no WMD, that he is no threat- after 9/11, they are saying the opposite- Now there aren't any, and they are still saying there are...

It was tough seeing the graphic images of war, but shit, if we are gonna ask our kids to go and live that, the least we can do is keep our eyes open to what we are really doing.

I do wish he included some stuff about how evil Saddam was, and how some are better off over there...it would have at least fended off some of the criticism of how biased he(Moore) is, and maybe allowed more on the right to actually listen to the movie a little and not dismiss it entirely.


I have to say the movie was also funny...Bush's malapropisms with hillbilly banjo's in the back is hilarious.

I won't see the movie because I cannot in good conscience support a dirtbag like Moore. I've read plenty of reviews and commentary though, both pro and con regarding this movie, and all of it has cemented what I suspected. That the movie is nothing but far leftist propaganda, and not even very well done at that. I agree with you Tony, that war is hell, and all people (when they are old enough) should see what war does to people. This movie though, seems like all it does is reinforce old stereotypes.



Actually Bush won the presidency. The media recounts concluded that Gore lost Florida.



Why does it always have to go back to the retarded thing? Because he isn't a good public speaker? Does being a bad speaker in front of crowds, not to mention millions on TV, mean that you are a fucking idiot? I always hate this argument about Bush. What about other presidents that were bad speakers... like, hmmmmmm, Jefferson? Was he a fucking idtior retard??



I would bet that the Iraqi prisoner torture occurred after the movie had already been cut. Otherwise I am sure it would have been in there and Moore would have probably tried to claim that Bush's Thanksgiving surprise to the troops was secretly so that he could spend an hour or two torturing the prisoners himself.



No? Not even if he has a known agenda to trash Bush and conservatives at all costs? Even at the cost of the truth?



See my sig. John Kerry, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Sandy Berger, Madeliene Albright, Ted Kennedy, and the list goes on. ALL OF THEM SAID SADDAM HAD WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. Are they all liars too? Oh, and the Russians, British, Germans. All liars??



True, we should know what we are there for. And we do.



Yeah, he should have. He also should have included how Saddam bilked billions of dollars out of the Oil-for-Food program rather than feeding his own people. And how Saddam DID use WMDs in the past, and how he was KNOWN to have them in the 90s. And how Saddam paid families of suicide bombers in Israel. And how Saddam directly ignored 17 UN resolutions, never provided documentation on when and where his weapons were destroyed, and refused to provide unfettered access to inspectors prior to the war. There is a lot that Moore left out.

You can't justify the war because some other people also said at one point in time that Iraq should be disarmed. Some superfriend on TFN tried to justify it like you the other day by saying that Vietnam was caused by a democrat so Iraq was a-ok! You're saying because the Clinton's thought (Though I say thought. lied is still applicable, considering none have been found) that there were weapons, Bush was totally in reason to go to war. Well, ok! Awesome logic.


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