Or you can choose to think he was just rambling. I personally listen very carefully with how Lucas perceives these movies, as he is the one who this story comes from.

As far as GG being designed as a droid ... it was pretty clear in that webdoc that the designers could do anything that they wanted, it didn't have to be a droid/cyborg. All they had to go on was that he needed to look scary and he was fufilling the role of "Droid General" aka "The new bad guy". Just because they called him 'Droid General' doesn't mean he has to be a droid himself, it just means that he is the "General of the Droids".

It made perfect sense. And if that is actually how it went down I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. Problem is, we've seen shots of Obi-Wan and three greenscreen foes breaking out their sabers/lightsaber blocking thingees and going at it. That looks like the start of the fight. And even if Grievous and henchmen are using the lightsaber blocking thingees instead of sabers, that still sucks. They're still fighting and holding their own hand to hand with a Jedi.

Anyway, I'd still prefer that to lightsabers. I'd really like it if Obi-Wan takes out the bodyguards with his saber and then Grievous either beats Obi-Wan or somehow Obi-Wan loses his saber. Grievous pulls out the sabers to present the death blow like he did with Shaak Ti, and Obi-Wan reaches over, pulls Grievous' own blaster out of its holster, and shoots him in the guts. That'd be pretty cool. Would also explain where Obi got the blaster from, since I assume he doesn't carry one around.



In the webdoc, George says "I could like this one, if we went with a droid. That means that George was not averse to the idea of Grievous being a droid. Which means that Grievous is not Force Sensitive.

Well if certain people are "Force sensitive" as has been clearly established in the SW movies there is always a possibility that Grievous was "Force sensitive" when he was an entirely flesh creature (if he wasn't hatched out of some laboratory/factory!) I like to think that the Emperor used a "Force sensitive" creature and combined it with the Republic's best droid technology, trained it/ programmed it to use light sabres and BAM! You have what became General Greivous-- the Jedi hunter! Kind of a percursor to Darth Vader really(more machine than man). All purely speculation on my part but at least my version doesn't violate the "Rule of two Sith."

I'm not sure where people are getting the notion that Jedi should be invincible fighters. I thought Jango and the droidekas pretty well established the opposite.

I didn't mean to infer that I thought that Jedi/Sith were invincible fighters. It has already been established that they are not (Qui-Gon Jinn, Darth Maul, and all of the Jedi who fell in the battle of Geonosis can provide testament of that).

I simply think that it adds meat to the character and if i could I would ask GL to consider it.

If Greivous simply proves to be a saber weilding cyborg though, it only would show how TRULY badass he was with light sabers!

I think that he is a marvelous creation and commend Lucas for coming up with it. Gary Oldman is the perfect choice to voice him.



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How does this not violate the rule of two? The whole purpose of the Rule of Two is so that the Sith don't destroy each other because there's too many of them. That's why the obvious answer to the question "why didn't the Emperor just clone a Sith and make an army of clones!?!" is always "because then they'd be a threat to his power. If they have the Force they can infight and possibly overthrow him and take over power for themselves."

Whether you want to call it Sith or "dark Force user", Sidious training it (or even it existing and being in cahoots with Sids) does violate the essence of the rule of two, because Grievous could decide that he wants all the power and overthrow Sids.

The Jedi were OVERWHELMINGLY outnumbered on Geonosis. You try and block ten shots coming at you at once. It's just not possible.

However, in one to one combat with a lightsaber, a Jedi trains his entire life to use that weapon. He can block blaster shots that travel at tremendous speeds. He is the master. ...and then some half droid half living thing non-Force-user can pick one up and do battle with a Jedi and win?

Pfft.

The Jedi are good, but let's not go overboard. Heck, Lucas didn't even bother to show us when Obi-Wan got whupped by a couple of droidekas on Geonosis. It was a given.

There's an assumption that many people seem to make (even the OS is guilty of it) that somehow lightsabers are only usable through the Force. I don't think Lucas ever subscribed to that, and it looks like Grievous is proof at last. Look, if you gave Nick Gillard a real lightsaber, I bet he could hold his own against a lesser Jedi. It's an exceptional weapon, but ultimately it's just a weapon. Any swordman could become proficient with it. The Force lends the Jedi an extra edge, of course, and their precognition allows them to block laser bolts and whatnot. But give an expert swordsman (which presumably Grievous is, if he fights Jedi with lightsabers) the added advantage of an armored body, bionic strength, speed and coordination, and then four equally-proficient arms -- and yes, you've got the ingredients for a villain who's up to the challenge of fighting a master Jedi. I don't see what the problem is.

(However, I've also seen this discussion played out enough times to know that neither of us will change the other's opinion. :))

Qui-Gon = Grievous!!!!

Seriously, I thought it was well established (the above quote is just an example) that the Jedi, while being very, very good fighters, certainly aren't invincible. The whole Order was wiped out, after all.

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Good shit folks.

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Always TWO there are, NO MORE, NO LESS.


Seems pretty clear to me...

Always TWO there are, NO MORE, NO LESS.

In ESB and ROTJ, there are two Sith. Each is trying to replace the other with a new force user, Luke. Theoretically, Dooku and Sidious could be looking to replace each other with Anakin or Grievous. I don't believe that, but there is nothing definitive that proves or disproves it.

That doesn't make three though. If Vader or Sidious or Dooku had succeeded in luring Luke or Anakin or Obi-Wan than Task Numero Uno would've been to take out the other Sith. The period of time when there'd be three, persay, would be very short or even non-existant if the choice to become a Sith involves killing another Sith to take his place, a la Sidious-Luke-Vader at the end of ROTJ.

That doesn't make....

My point is that nothing you said rules anything out. We need more data in order to know the answer. I don't believe that GG is going to be an apprentice, but my opinion is based on gut feeling, not evidence.

That's all EU. It has no bearing on the movies.

The same way that Jango Fett, the Acklay, the droidekas, et al. did.

And, semi back on topic, I like the Grievous face on the cover of the Insider. I think it looks much more believable than the Boba Fett cover picture or the Clone Wars drawing. Obviously he needs to actually look photorealistic next to living actors, and this cover shot is a step in the right direction for ILM.

Oh sure, go and make me look bad. :)

Going with the argument that Greivous has no ability to use the Force-- I can imagine that his creators still wanted him to be as lethal a Jedi hunter as they could make him. So it would go without saying that his enhanced cybernetics allow him to do ungodly things with light sabers. He should be programmed in all known light saber fighting styles and he should be faster than most Jedi when using them. Because of his computer processors he can multitask and this allows him twirl up to four sabers at once which would be enough to give any Jedi a hard time.

So even without use of the Force this character has the potential to be a truly badass and memorable villlian.

Say Grievous does use the Force, how will we see this on-screen? Unless he does something telekinetic, how can Lucas show us that he's using the force without us just putting it down to him being at least part mechanical?

"Whoah! I know Kung-Fu!"

Here's a thought on his "unorthodox fighting form". What if he uses both his blasters and lightsabres in closerange combat? Think about how deadly this combination could be for a jedi to have to handle. Plus I think it would visually make it an impressive battle to watch.