Says the Lucas cock-sucker who fails to realize that that’s not true when everyone gave TLJ a #1 worldwide box office spot in 2017.

That depends on your point of view and depends on what Disney expected from this movie following The Last Jedi and Solo. From my perspective, I feel they’ll take a billion worldwide and nothing less following the flop of Solo.

Time to retire the word “shill”. It’s an insult and a bad word to call people.

okay. let's twist this around. coming from a Disney c**k sucker who fails to realize that TLJ completely divided the fanbase and is at least partially responsible for the flop of Solo.

I prefer disney shill though. C**k sucker is something I would say when I was like 12. Are you 12?

Matt Martin, the epitome of a cuck, is throwing shade at Bad Robot and basically saying the dumpster fire that is the Disney Fanfiction Trilogy isn't their fault re: not having a coherent plan.



Seriously you cannot make this shit up.

You know what's hilarious? The fact that you had to feel offended at a common word that isn't even derogatory in tone compared to something like "cocksucker." Do you know what the word Shill means? Here, let me help your uneducated ass since the idiots on here are clearly uneducated:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shill

shill verb
\ ˈshil \
shilled; shilling; shills
Definition of shill (Entry 1 of 2)
intransitive verb

1: to act as a shill
2: to act as a spokesperson or promoter
the eminent Shakespearean producer … is now shilling for a brokerage house
— Andy Rooney

It's no wonder why you get into slapfights with Kyle because you think it makes you feel powerful just standing next to Kyle.

If you think I'm a Lucas cocksucker....I would rather be that because at least he did put out quality products with coherent plot and themes (see: Strange Magic and Red Tails) than to be a shill for a trilogy that was strictly made for profits without any thought for characters, themes and story.

Ki Adi, thanks for backing me up.

And sadly, he's the cuck that represents the TFM members on this board. Where there are others just like him.

I’m actually 23, FYI. And, TLJ didn’t kill Star Wars, the fans did because they didn’t get what they wanted (more movies with the OT3 trio together) and because they didn’t see Solo because they thought a young Han Solo movie wasn’t necessary.

That's so middle school, "I'm not 12, I'm 23!" Only a middle schooler would open with that sentence.

Actually, TLJ DID kill Solo.
Solo wasnt that bad, but TLJ destroyed any goodwill Disney had with the fans after TWO successful hits in TFA and Rogue One.

Rian Johnson doing Knives Out is a direct response to TLJ.
He was fired from Lucasfilm after he did a shitty job on TLJ.

"I'm a big fan of Star Wars."
My fat ass.

There's a reason why several former LFL employees now work under RJ at his company as opposed to staying under Disney's iron rule.

I agree 100 percent with this paragraph.

Solo was awesome.
Backlash and timing killed its box office, which has little to do with the actual quality of the film, which in my view, was quite high.

He wasn’t fired from Lucasfilm, you dumb idiot.
The reliable trades haven’t said that and until they do, I’ll take their word over yours.

Ooh.. keep it up with the childish remarks, It only exposes you as a middle/high schooler. Besides, "dumb idiot" doesn't even make sense considering both words imply stupidity. You can't say "stupid stupid." It makes you look like frankly, a massive idiot.

RJ was FIRED. It's been known since right after TLJ.
I believe Ki Adi over you.

HE WAS NOT FIRED, YOU DUMB FUCKING CONSPIRACY-THEORIST FALSEHOOD-BELIEVING ASSHOLE.

Hello, Middle schooler . At least I believe in the truth unlike you.. At least I have common sense NOT to be a Disney Shill.

Ooh, look at me NOT insulting you with a non-cuss word.

Oh, the truth that was reported by actual people like Jason Ward that Matt Smith actually played a young Palpatine and that there was no Mortis?
I’ll take that truth over Ki Adi’s unverified Reddit-sourced rumor.

BTW, unlike those middle schoolers,
I’m a county college man who successfully passed three classes of my first semester.

So, NOT a middle schooler, just an adult who doesn’t like seeing people spread unverified lies and conspiracies, which u and Ki Adi do.

You do realize you just basically told a former LFL employee via Ki Adi that he's full of shit?
(Be careful, former LFL employees may be reading this...)

You want to play tic toe with me? Let's.

I'm a 40 year old deaf guy who has cerebral palsy that went to one of the top 100 schools in the US according to the US News and World Report.
Wanna try again Mr. Middle Schooler or should I say,

Mr. Community College?
Everyone knows community colleges is basically trade schools for the uneducated or these who just got their GEDS.

Your weak comebacks are amusing at least.

Amazing, now you’re saying I’m uneducated and the county college I go to is a trade school.

Well, u know what?
That’s far more easy for me to deal with than your cerebral palsy and deafness which will get you nowhere while you're in a wheelchair in your lonely-ass apartment or house, especially since I’m 65% younger than you.

Amazing. Every word you’ve said in that sentence is wrong.

Do you even stop to think that cerebral palsy doesn’t require a wheelchair right?
Also, you exposed yourself as a bigot just like your best friend Kyle.

You literally said that the disabled can’t work.
You said I can’t work because I’m deaf and that I have cerebral palsy. That’s bigotry at its finest. You’re no better than your best friend Donald J. Trump.

f

Haven't posted since attending the world premiere and decided to let the dust settle somewhat.

My observations/thoughts:

The premiere was a lot of fun, especially during the press/pre-show/red carpet festivities.
Everyone seemed happy to be there, but I sensed a tense vibe, especially among the current LF regime - they did not seem thrilled to me.
You can tell all the fan favorites (cast and crew) love this just as much as the fans.
From my observation, Disney execs seemed out of place at the event. They fit the common corporate head stereotypes.
John Williams appearing in person and getting a standing ovation was the highlight of the night as he is retiring as I understand it.
The vibe I got following the screening was meh.
It was a good movie, better than TLJ, R1 or Solo but not a satisfying finale.
George was not there and that stood out to me the most.

I am hoping for the JJ cut and all the cameos that may come with it.
I buy the talk about all the tension between BR and Lucasfilm staff/Disney and in retrospect may have contributed to the tense vibe mentioned above - again this is from my observation.

If this film struggles to cross 1 Billion, I think it will be considered a failure to Disney.
This is not JJ's fault and if anyone thinks his deal with WB did not create tension for him on this production you are crazy. Imagine having to work with all these egos in one room

I would not be surprised if the enthusiasm for Farvaro, Kevin Feige and those coming in to direct (I'm betting on the Russo Bros.) will act to smokescreen a mass exodus/housecleaning or dare I even say massacre among the Lucasfilm staff/story group behind the scenes.
I see them being replaced with people who understand filmmaking/the film industry and are part of the fan base. These new faces will not be interested in using SW to promote social issues, just telling good stories true to the mythology.
You may even see a re-imagined Star Wars show.
It actually crossed my mind that this current LFL regime was always meant to be the fall guys/sacrificial lamb for whatever negative consequences would result from the ST era.
This is a common tactic in corporate politics (i.e. when in doubt delegate authority to have someone to blame later).
This will in some ways clear KK's name.
GL will serve in a similar capacity to how he did for TCW he will guide the filmmakers with his story outlines and teach them the tone and style necessary.



I also want to comment/theorize on the impact the past 8 years may have indirectly had on the franchise:

- This trilogy was green-lighted and produced over a period of time when the Disney CEO was being talked about as a possible candidate for President of the US in 2016 or 2020 and Obama was still riding high.

- The new head of LFL was an accomplished woman in the industry named KK, in an era when most expected the next president of the US to be the 1st woman to ever hold the office (If you don't think KK was being propped up to help usher in the reception of the woman in leadership zeitgeist you're not seeing the big picture that is the connection between tinsel town and Hollywood for ugly people (aka Washington D.C.)

- The new blood at LFL were also young blood who were not the biggest fans of the franchise or GL and thought it needed to be a platform for changing with the times.

- The popular Mr. NBC/Apprentice/You're fired becomes the most hated man in Hollywood when he runs for president.

- At the same time the creator of SW, Mr. GL himself was relegated to the status of a "boring old white guy”, ostracized by an industry he helped save for the better part of the past 40 years.


Meanwhile...


- People turn to YouTube, Spreaker, podcasts (Ed Opperman, Dave McGowan and Jay Dyer to name a few) and alternative media begins to usurp the traditional news and news cycles for better or worse.

- This spreads into pop culture with the likes of Doomcock, Nerdrotic, even Collider.

- People start to question such zeitgeists and begin to feel they are being imposed on them - especially thru the media.

- Terms like deep state, elite, oligarchy, woke, red-pilled, green-pilled etc., become part of the vernacular of the collected consciousness.

- Riding this, Mr. NBC/Apprentice/You're fired shocks the world and defeats the shoe-in female candidate and her supporters (most of Hollywood) are outraged.

- In no uncertain passive-aggressive fashion, the media (this includes many of the new blood within LFL) responds.

- Suddenly, there is the warranted #metoo movement. Probably as a backlash to Mr. Apprentice's statements that you can grab a woman's &*$$! in Hollywood in that bugged bus conversation (Remember that?).

- The grass roots/honest #metoo movement is co-opted by Hollywood elite with the #timesup movement so it can be controlled and monetized by Hollywood itself, protecting many of their own with HW as the sacrificial lamb (FYI - JJ and his wife helped found the #timesup movement).

- Soon after, we begin to hear the force is female, Luke is regulated to an incel on an island, VA Holdo is built up as a fan fav without warrant and Lando becomes pansexual because he has the hots for a droid that represents the worst example of blaxploitation since the pimp - go figure.

- Around this time even Captain Marvel begins turning people off due to the way the actress and the promotional lingo is presented.

- This is all shoved down the audience's throat.

- Those who disagree are relegated to the realm of dynamic silence, being labeled insecure, toxic males with many twitter statements by LFL employees directly or indirectly supporting this.

- The SW fan base is polarized and demoralized by this point and feel they have been told to watch it and like it... until the house of mouse begins to lose money (This is around the time of Solo and the failed Forces of Destiny/Resistance content).

- Every director hired to do a SW film seems to head for the exit when they encounter the current LFL work environment.


Currently...


- The CEO of Disney seeks a major swan song/slam dunk before stepping down and going for the US presidency, trying to redeem the sorry state of affairs that is the SW franchise by controlling the production of TROS and giving his side of the SW purchase story in his book (both backfire). Next will be the house cleaning.

- The Fandom Menace is in full effect and sees JJ Abrams and now Ricky Gervais as allies… which could be another co-opting tactic like #timesup (fandom beware of low-hanging fruit).

- There is a rapidly closing window of opportunity to respectively fix this thing. They seem to be on the right track with Filoni, Lucas and Farvaro attempting to pull it off.

- JJ is long gone and not on good terms with Disney or the LFL story group. He's had it.

- My guess is Filoni is weathering the storm with daily doses of The Letters of JRR Tolkien.


All this being said…


- I have no interest in politics, but this franchise (especially the ST) has been tragically beholden to the trending zeitgeists, national, corporate/workplace politics and political aspirations of CEOs for the past 8 years.

- SW is no longer a mythology to escape to, but now just another part of the political theater imposed on the public. The exception (SW) became part of the status quo (politics).

- I still hold to the opinion that Lucas should have never sold, but instead should have established a board of directors with the likes of Sansweet, Filoni, John Knoll, Lucy Autrey Wilson and Joe Johnston serving. I’m sure many would have been honored to serve on the board and protect the franchise.

- Lucasfilm has proven to work best as a small creative enterprise with a beloved mythology that transcended real world problems with the deeper questions like who we are and where we come from. That’s storytelling.

See the interview at 2:47. I think it’s a cryptic statement. Just tell the story!

Seriously, you had to edit your last post just so yours was below mine so you could have the last word with your super long post? That's lame dude just let the discussion happen. And yes this is immature but I don't care.





If it makes less than TLJ it's a failure in Disney's eyes. Have this on good authority. They are losing money on their investment and the board is NOT happy. Merchandising isn't making anything, marketing the films does cost quite a bit (hence why Solo bombed way worse than people realize), and TROS is trending lower than expectations.

Spoken like a true child. You weren't around here for the real spoiler days, I was, as were a good amount of us here. TLJ did kill SW for a bit, TROS has buried it. Fans did know what they wanted, but who the fuck cares what the fans want? It's just proving what a genius Lucas really is and while Solo was decent it should have made money. It bombed because of TLJ backlash, along with horrible management by LFL.

Rian Johnson's trilogy is dead. They aren't confirming it as of yet but the DnD trilogy was coming, though they left over creative differences, and the new film that's going to be announced for 2022 (I believe 2022), the next SW film, is not Rian Johnson. He's gone. Dead. Stop shilling TLJ. It was a horrible film.

He's gone. Accept it son. And it's a good thing for SW. We don't need more of his bullshit. I mean things could change but I was told this on good authority. There have been major shake ups at LFL with the story group and structure since TLJ. Those who were let go were hired by Johnson's production company. On top of what I was told, there's no way they will hire these fired employees to produce a SW film. Stop acting like a child.



My stuff came from a source.

It's been corroborated, yes by an unverified reddit user, but crazy he said things I never disclosed here or publicly.
So I tend to believe it.

The guy even contacted me after I sent him a PM. Waiting for his next response.

You need to get the fuck over yourself. I've been a respected member of the spoiler community for 20 years.
Who the fuck are you? Just another loser who gets off on trying to shit on others.

If I was given bad info, so sorry, but I do know people.
And if you look at TROS you can tell some of the stuff I shared seems accurate as there was a lot that was re-purposed during reshoots.

The JJ/Lucas cut is real. I never thought I'd say this but I miss Kyle.
kthxbye.

I’ll believe real people like Jason Ward over you.
And, I’ll see TROS making a billion as a hollow win, even IF they expected better.

I feel the same about you.

Rolf. Are you claiming Ki Adi Moonshine, a veteran of the spoiler scene from the Prequel Era is a pathological liar?

You do realize Jason has done a lot of scummy things.
Yeah, I’d believe Ki Adi over a scummy asshole.

Boy now I am GLAD I exposed you as a bigot.



I’m a disabled person. How can I be a bigot? What you just said literally makes zero sense. Like ZERO.

I had a beef with Jason but we patched stuff up. He used to post on this board. I don't like to put my same sentence as some of these people but me, DP, SI, Fatboy (lmfao), Jason...we all come from that prequel era 20 years ago. To say I'm some loser LARPer is ridiculous. And one of my second-hand sources was Frikidoctor (chewie dying and luke having a fight in the flesh), which I posted way back, who spoiled like the last 3 season of Game of Thrones.

Okay I'm legit pissed off right now. I didn't have to come to y'all with shit and I wasn't going to publicly reveal ANYTHING I had and I was going to sit on it. I love DP and the people I used to hang with back in the day though so I decided to take a chance. I had info that did overlap with Jason. I think I know what happened and why aspects of my info were different and didn't come to light, and apart of this has to do with the JJ/Lucas cut.

Also, I had info from a much different phase of production than Paxis and Ward had. And I don't have the amount of sources they have. I admitted that in the beginning when I revealed some nuggets I had. so please stfu with this shit.

Ward probably DID so scummy things, but, he’s just as reliable as Devin Faraci, before accusations came out against HIM, regarding the behind the scenes turmoils with the DCEU.

Ki Adi, it’s ok. I apologize for my post. I didn’t know you and Jason made peace still.. I would find his story regarding Tros to be dubious.

Ki Adi remember I was here during that era as well so I’ve seen plenty of stupid shit especially with Fatboy go down.


But to have RogueOne to call you a liar and shit is too much. And to have Rogue go all bigot on me over a movie is really silly. I think some of us agree that Disney fucked up. There’s no denying this.

Bob Iger fucked up.
Alan Horn fucked up.
Kathleen Kennedy fucked up.
Pablo Hilabgo and the Story Group fucked up.
Rian Johnson fucked up.

There’s nothing that disputes this. It’s now public. People like RogueOne, and the rest of the idiots on here needs to stfu with this shit, I agree.

The Last Jedi was and always will be a horrible movie with shitty story, shitty direction, and shitty themes. People thought The Phantom Menace was bad? TLJ is worse to the point that it almost killed the entire franchise to the point where nothing would be made. It’s pure luck that we got TROS and The Mandlorian and the upcoming Kenobi tv show. Lucasfilm knows they have a dedicated fanbase and they don’t want to blow that.

Didn't mean to disclude you; there's a TON of us. A lot don't post here anymore either, but this place use to be really active, especially during ROTS and when the DVDs for the OT leaked early.

Yep good times, Ki Adi.. you remember the 2004 DVD box set? It was a halfassed job lol remember the shitty transfer they made for the unaltered version of the OT? Shit wasn’t even anamorphic lol.

I remember going to walmart to get it at midnight. I also bought Battlefront 2 (the good one) that night as well. hahaha.

I remember here is where it first leaked that Ian was in ESB and we had the video. Then all of ROTJ leaked here. And yeah the unaltered OT ones, it was a joke. lmao. fun times. It's why I still come back here; I have fond memories with the overall community.

Which is why when people trying and shit talk me when they've been here for just a few years (I was on the other boards that ultimately migrated here) and question my integrity and a liar I'm not going to stand for that shit. If I got things wrong I am sorry, but, I still stand by it. Those were the original plans. I don't know if it was filmed to be honest. Or how much of it was.

There IS a JJ/Lucas cut though. This is undeniable. And a big wig is behind these leaks but I won't dare say who because that would blow someone's cover and put their job in jeopordy and I'm not in the business of doing that.

A form of The Son was planned to be the villain. From what I was told, and I even posted this as a possibility, they may have changed him to be more accessible, and it's what Palpatine became in TROS, but they shoehorned Palps in. Even Terrio in an interview, the way he describes Palpatine, it's the Son. I posted a snippet of the interview with IGN above. I still am not convinced that's Palpatine that we know from the OT and PT. A lot happened in the editing room and these writers and producers are now running trying to get their stories straight and are contradicting eachother like crazy.

If you say I'm wrong? okay. but don't call me a liar. If it was just one comment I wouldn't give a shit but you just won't stop attacking people and it's fucking dumb. A stupid 23 year old whose brain isn't even fully developed (the human brain isn't fully developed until 25 or so - facts.)

So just stop, okay?

Yep I got battlefront 2 on PS2. (The PC version is still thriving btw.) the new Battlefront 2 is okay. But it has a LOT of content for a Star Wars game. Which is always good.

Yeah honestly I’m glad Ian got into Empire. It just makes sense to have him there to maintain continuity.

Ki Adi, I’m like you, I came over from TF.N and T’bone’s site. I think being a Star Wars fan is something special that a lot of people really take for granted because to the average viewer, they don’t know that Star Wars (at least I-VI) is really something special that everyone should at least experience once in their lifetimes. The appeal of George Lucas’ saga (I-Vi) is undeniable.

It seems important if a top ranking big wig was behind these leaks. And I’ve seen the Palpatine scenes on YouTube. (They were leaked) there was something off about Palpy.. for one, his yellow eyes was glowing orange like fiery orange. Second, if he was cloned (as the movie imply he was,) then he shouldn’t be on a mechanical rig and he shouldn’t have black lips. Just my opinion.

To me, The Clone Wars TV series is much better than all 6 SW movies PERIOD. Why? Because it was something that Filoni helped George Lucas make and now finish, with the final season of The Clone Wars coming to Disney+ next month, with the time he had left. And, it has TWICE the amount of time in it’s storytelling and world building than all Star Wars films combined.

I think it's funny that you're just ignoring everything I said child. Too afraid my points are valid and have no counterpoints?

Whatever. Think what you want but don't attack me, my contributions to the overall SW spoiler community (you were maybe a Toddler when I started), and my integrity.

Thank you very much.

-ki adi moonshine

And oddly enough, and DP would know this guy, Sombrero was my mentor on TF.n (trolling with him got me banned and is why I was a major poster at Aldera and every other forum going forward) came up with "ki adi moonshine" for me. Of course him and Charles and another guy who literally lived in my town at Aldera threatened to doxx me with my IP address and make it public. They were dicks. We need a new thread about the spoiler scene and our comminity's contributions to it.

I pity you Rogue for not being around. It was one hell of a time to be around. My favorite rumor I saw right after TPM online (the day after I saw it was when I officially become apart of all of this) was that Anakin's friend, Kit, was actually Boba Fett. LOL. I think that was on TF.n.

And people say the info I've passed along is far fetched....hahahahaha.

Ki Adi,

You remember that people thought that Wald (Anakin's Rodian buddy in TPM) was basically Greedo as a child? LOL. What about AOTC? People thought that N' Sync was in AOTC dressed up as a bunch of Jedi when in fact they were just VISITING Lucas. I think it was because one of his daughters was a fan of the boy band. Wow. 20 years ago. Boy Bands was the rage. Time sure flies.

So many hilarious rumors during the Prequel Era. It was a good thing that Lucas debunked almost all of these silly rumors.

Greedo was in a deleted scene in TPM where he fights Anakin. That rumour wasn't far-fetched.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfUJwvzB6oQ

I remember that wasn't it on the original DVD release?

Right but people mistook Wald for Greedo. That was my point.

Totally forgot about KittsterFett. Thanks for the smile. I loved Aldera.net too
Just a simple site, trying to make its way in the cyberverse.

Yikes - TROS is on pace to be the worst movie in the saga according to this: epicstream.com /TinyDiapana/ The-Rise-Of-Skywalker-Now-Tied-With-Phantom-Menace-As-Lowest-Scoring-Star-Wars-Movie
Watch Disney will freak out even worse than what they did with the youtube channel.

Compare that to this: epicstream.com /TinyDiapana/ Star-Wars-The-Revenge-Of-The-Sith-Becomes-Popular-Again-Thanks-To-Gen-Z-Fans
It only proves that George Lucas is a genius if not one of the best geniuses of his generation.

Smith was never cast in the movie. Ever. I'll stake whatever reputation I have on this board by saying that. Any reporting to the contrary is bull and my trust in anyone who says otherwise is highly suspect. I'm not saying talks between the two parties didn't occur, I'm just saying he was never cast in the movie in an official capacity.

Moreover, something tells me there wasn't much of a plan for him in the film. Likely, George gave JJ some ideas/concepts to include in the script (The Son being one of them) but JJ likely had no firm ideas for how he wanted to incorporate such a character in the movie.

Smith is a good actor and JJ likely just wanted to work with him in some capacity.

I see that Smith was not a part of the OS's cast list from July 2018. However: Smith was listed in the cast at Disney's UK site and then removed from the site at a later date. Maybe someone goofed at the UK site? Or, maybe he was cast and booted?