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ki adi moonshine

Posted: January 2nd 2020 1:13 pm

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It doesn't matter whether or not Lucas mapped out every single detail.
He still had a general plan that yes, evolved as time went on, plotlines converged like Vader being Luke's father, Leia Luke's sister, etc.

BUT. It was organic.
Even with the prequels, to an extent, this was true.

The ST had absolutely no plan.
At least if it did, it went out the window with Rian Johnson and TLJ. JJ was in a no-win situation. He's even saying that the people who are criticizing it "are right." I know that may be a little out of context, but why throw shade at your own movie like that?

It's hilarious.
To me, it's obvious he is not a fan of how everything turned out.

DP, could you add this to the original post? Also,
#ReleaseTheJJCut is #2 tending on twitter lmfao.

ki adi moonshine wrote:

Welp.

The JJ Cut

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Since shortly after release weekend, I’ve been corresponding with someone who worked closely on the production of TROS and works for one of the major companies I cannot disclose here. I have verified the source to my satisfaction. To protect the source, I am rewording what we spoke about over the last two weeks and am submitting it to you in bullet point format I have written based on what they told me. The TLDR is that they were upset with the final product of TROS and wanted to share their perspective on how it went down and where it went wrong.

The leakers for TROS had an agenda and are tied to Disney directly. My source confessed that they have an agenda as well in that they struggle with ignoring what’s been happening to someone who they think doesn’t deserve it.
JJ always treated everyone on and offset with respect so my source’s agenda is that what Disney has done to JJ and how much they screwed him over should be something people are at least aware of, whether you like him as a filmmaker or not.
Disney was one of the studios who were in that Bad Robot bidding war last year. Disney never had much interest in BR as a company but they did in JJ because they saw WB (who JJ went with in the end) as a major threat.
JJ is very successful at bringing franchises back like Mission Impossible, Star Trek and Star Wars. WB is struggling with DC and aside from Wonder Woman, DC is still seen as a bit of a joke in its current state by the GA.
WB wants Abrams for some DC projects. My source said that this generation’s Star Wars is the MCU, and Marvel’s biggest threat is a well operational DC. They want to keep DC in the limbo that they’re in right now. Abrams jumpstarting that franchise with something like a successful, audience-pleasing Superman movie makes them nervous. Their goal is to make JJ look bad to potential investors/shareholders.
My source mentioned this shortly after the premiere: “The TROS we saw last night was not the TROS we thought we worked on”.
JJ was devastated and blindsided by this. He’s been feeling down over the last 6 months because of some of the ridiculous demands Disney had that changed his movie’s story. While the scenes were shot, a lot of the changes were made in post-production and the audio was rerecorded and altered. My source said they’ve never seen anything like this happen before. He’s the director and he wasn’t in the know about what they were doing behind his back.
Apparently, JJ felt threatened over the month leading up to the premiere.
Rian was never meant to do IX despite some rumors that he was.
JJ was brought back by Iger, not KK. Disney insisted on more fan service, less controversy.
JJs original agreement when he signed on was indicating he would have way more creative control than he did on TFA. It became evident this wasn’t the case only a couple of weeks into shooting when the trouble with meddling started.
JJ wanted to do some scenes he thought were important but Disney shut it down citing budgetary reasons.
May 2019: JJ argued that those scenes were crucial. He had to let go of one of the scenes. The other scene he insisted on was approved at first. He did reshoots and additional photography in July. The new scene was shot at BR in October.
The “ending that will blow your mind” was a part of this. Older actors were included like Hayden, Ewan and Samuel and anyone who wasn’t animated. The force ghosts weren’t meant to be voices because they shot that footage on camera. The actors were in costumes. Rey was supposed to be surrounded by the force ghosts to serve as sort of a barrier between her and the Sith surrounding them.
My source thinks but can’t 100% confirm that this is because of China. It’s an office talk of sorts. Some VFX people claimed they got a list of approved shades of blue they could use on the Luke force ghosts. Cutting this out was when the bad blood turned into a nightmare for JJ because the movie he was making was suddenly unrecognizable to him in almost every way.
My source knows JJ well enough to know that he’s just not the yelling type but apparently in a meeting he yelled something along the lines of “Why don’t you just put ‘directed and written by Lucasfilm’ then?” My source wasn’t present for that exchange but knows some who were.
Disney demanded they shoot some scenes that would have things in it for merchandise. “They fly now” is one of them. It’s also JJ’s least favorite scene. At a November screening of a 2:37 cut, he cringed, groaned and laughed when the scene was on.
My source says that JJ was most likely not joking when he said “you’re right” in the interview where they asked him about TROS criticism.
JJ’s original early November cut was 3 hours 2 minutes long.
In January, JJ suggested that they turn this into two films. My source told me this well before Terrio mentioned it in an interview a couple of days ago. When Disney said no, JJ was content with making this 3 hours long.
Over a period of 9 months JJ started realizing that one by one his ideas and whole scenes were being thrown out the window or entirely altered by people who have “no business meddling with the creatives”.
They were not on the same page when it came to creative decisions and it became obvious that Disney had an agenda in addition to wanting to please shareholders. Disney could “afford messing up IX for the sake of the bigger picture” when it came to protecting things unrelated to IX.
The cut JJ eventually and hesitantly agreed to in early December was 2:37 minutes long. It wasn’t the cut we saw which he wouldn’t have approved of (and which is 2:22 long). Apart from the force ghosts, there were other crucial and emotional scenes missing. The cut they released looked “chopped and taped back together with weak scotch tape” (JJ's words).
The movie opened with Rey’s training. Her first scene with Rose was shortly after Rey damaged BB-8 during the training. Rose made a silly joke about how Poe is going to kill her for damaging BB-8. There was a moment where Rey took a minute to process what just happened when she saw that vision during training. She looked distressed and worried. The next scene was noise as the Falcon was landing and Rey runs over there. Those two women who kissed at the end were visible in this shot and they were holding hands. One of them ran towards the Falcon as it landed.
Kylo on Mustafar scene was 2 mins longer. There was a moment where Kylo seemed a bit dizzy and his vision was shown as blurry for a second. Almost as if time half-stopped while everyone in the background was slow-mo fighting. Kylo hears Vader's breathing, then shakes his head and time goes back to moving at a normal pace and he jumps right back into the battle (the scene from the trailer where he knocks that guy down which did end up in the movie later).
They cut some of the scenes from the lightspeed skipping segment. Some of the planets that were cut were Kashyyyk, Naboo, and Kamino.
The scene where the tie fighters are chasing them through the iceberg - those corridors were inspired by a video game JJ used to play in the 90s called Rebel Assault 2 (the third level in the game with the tunnels on Endor specifically).
Jannah was confirmed to be Lando’s daughter.
Rey not only healed Kylo's face scar but she killed Kylo when she healed Ben. Kylo ceased to exist when Rey healed him. My source mentioned that some people assume it was Han Solo who healed him but that isn’t true and that wasn't Han Solo. That was Leia using her own memories as well as Ben's to create a physical manifestation of his own thoughts to nudge him towards what he needed to do. That was her own way of communicating that with him. And it wasn't possible without her dying in the process. She made the ultimate sacrifice for her son and this flew over people's heads with the Disney cut.
The late November cut (the last cut JJ approved of) had scenes with Rose and Rey still. JJ wanted to give her a more meaningful arc. Disney felt that that was too risky too. My source mentioned that Chris Terrio said that it was because of the Leia scenes but this is only partially true because she had four other scenes including two with Rey/Daisy that Leia was not in.
Finn wanting to tell Rey something was always meant to be force sensitivity. In the 3 hour cut, it’s explicitly stated. There was a moment when Jannah and he were running on top of that star destroyer and Finn needed to unlock or move something and he force-moved it and acted surprised when it happened. This was replaced with a CGI’d BB-8 fixing whatever he needed to fix on there.
Babu Frik was nearly cut because some execs at Disney thought he would be the new Jar Jar. They are really surprised that people love him this much. He was JJ's idea and was created in collaboration with some artists and puppeteers. The personality was all JJ.
There were a bunch of scenes where Rey and Kylo (separately) went through quiet moments of reflection to deal with what they were going through. On her part, her going through the realization that there's something sinister about her past. Him going through regret and remorse but trying to shut it out. My source said that the Kylo scenes were especially amazing because of Adam's performance and how he managed to portray that inner turmoil. It provided much more context and added deeper meaning to both his battle with Rey and the final redemption arc at the end. It didn't happen so suddenly and it was more structured than what we got.
The Kylo/Rey scene where he dies was at least 4 minutes longer with more dialogue. Ben was always supposed to die. Source also added that if he wasn’t, then that might’ve been in an earlier draft which they haven’t read. The first draft they read included Lando (the first few didn’t). The Reylo kiss and Ben’s death was not part of the reshoots. It was a part of the re-editing. Even the cut that JJ thought was coming out earlier this month had a longer version of that scene than what was shown in the theatrical cut.
JJ was against the Reylo kiss (or Reylo in general). This was Disney's attempt to please both sides of the fandom.
JJ was not happy with where TLJ took the story. The final result is a mix of that story and the story told by Disney and whoever they tried to impress (“certainly not the fans”). JJ is gutted over the final result. Star Wars means a lot to him. He had to sacrifice large chunks of the story in TFA but he was promised more creative control on TROS and instead the leash they had him on was only tightened as time went by. A source said that this is the one franchise and the one piece of his work that he didn't want to mess up and instead it turned into his worst nightmare. When he found out that he was blindsided with the cut they presented, he said "what the fuck??" when Kylo was fighting the Knights of Ren at the end and the Williams music that was used for it was not what he wanted at all. He seemed to think it was out of place.

JJ's cut still exists and “will always exist”. We most likely will never see it unless “someone accidentally leaks it.”

ki adi moonshine wrote:

Combine that with a piece from this interview and it kind of lines up.

Chris Terrio on Palpatine (IGN Interview)

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"That’s when we really started aggressively pursuing this idea that there is old evil that didn’t die," he continued. "The source of the evil in the galaxy is this dark spirit waiting for its revenge and biding its time. The entity known as Palpatine in this version – his body died in Return of the Jedi – is patient and has been waiting. He dug his fox hole and has been waiting for his chance to re-establish his total domination."

ki adi moonshine wrote:

This is worded very carefully.

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Freezus

Posted: January 2nd 2020 1:39 pm

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Ki Adi, Right about Lucas - I’ve been saying he always had a plan with the first six movies.
He even had a plan with TFA UNTIL Disney threw it out of the window.

I would totally buy the JJ/Lucas cut on blu-ray. #fuckthedisneycut.
Btw, TFA and TLJ deserves a special edition.

I would do the following:

-Fix the ending of TFA. the revolving shot of Luke and Rey still looks goofy. Change it to a Lucasian wide shot of both characters.
-Change the time setting of TLJ to about a year later. Remodel some of the scenes to make it look like Rey has been training on her own.
-Remove the scene about war profiteering completely.

-Replace the pointless broom boy ending with something else, why not do one where Rey sits down in the Falcon and she starts to read the Jedi texts then looks up to a window a la the ending of Empire or Leia and have a sign of hope for the future of the Jedi?

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ki adi moonshine

Posted: January 2nd 2020 1:48 pm

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Freezus wrote:

I don't know if they filmed Hayden on Tatooine, but I know they filmed him on Exogal and even Paxis corroborates this but I left that out of my info I gave my guy, but, in my posts I did say Hayden filmed scenes before anyone else did. Disney really fucked things up. Especially pandering to the WORST part of the fandom. They are exposing themselves as racist too going after JB, saying "we thought he was one of the good ones." Fuck the projection is strong with them.

If you look at the film there's a lot that doesn't make sense. The guy who posted the new info has a good reputation too; I believe him.
Also, the scene with Luke was re-shot. You can tell because his hair changes in several shots. Really a shame.

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Freezus

Posted: January 2nd 2020 1:51 pm

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Yep and remember Hayden was at the last few Celebrations and before Disney came to him, he didn’t want to do any more Star Wars. Clearly Disney paid him a lot of money more than Lucas ever paid him. This is evident otherwise he wouldn’t have done these celebrations.

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ki adi moonshine

Posted: January 2nd 2020 1:57 pm

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I feel bad for Hayden because after watching AOTC recently, I actually think it's really good.

The fireplace scene may have been cringey, but that's how an 18 year old or so kinda talks. At least I identified with it as a 16 year old when the film came out. Those were good times...we were all at Episode-X around that time I believe. Then after came another board I think, and then MF.

Hayden is vastly underrated, and they shafted him so bad. But I have no doubt that was the studio. And. Possibly Liam Neeson on screen? Holy fucking shit that would have been amazing with Anakin and Obi-Wan. (His voice was there pretty prominently.

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Freezus

Posted: January 2nd 2020 2:04 pm

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ki adi moonshine wrote:

And you gotta feel bad for Hayden because The Fandom Menace did ruin his acting career enough to the point he had to retreat to Canada and live in a some kind of log cabin somewhere.

And it wasn’t his fault that he got bashed for showing up at the end of ROTJ - Lucas wanted him in and Just threw in one of his audition tapes From ROTS then pasted it over Sebastian Shaw’s body.
I would have loved to see the cut scene of Liam Neeson teaching Yoda how to force ghost. But that ain’t happening.

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ki adi moonshine

Posted: January 2nd 2020 2:06 pm

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That piece of the script referencing the Shaman of the Whills. Neeson allegedly recorded lines but they threw it all out. Sad.

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Freezus

Posted: January 2nd 2020 2:09 pm

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Yep and the Lucas version of TFA from what he said, his version of ST was going to cover the Whills.

God, I love being right about the ST from day one and everyone here gave me shit over it. Now I’m grinning from ear to ear.

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ki adi moonshine

Posted: January 2nd 2020 2:15 pm

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Freezus wrote:

I can't lie I feel some vindication too to an extent. All the stuff coming out has corroborated what I've been saying if you piece it together.

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Freezus

Posted: January 2nd 2020 2:17 pm

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Yep if the JJ/Lucas cut gets released, I’m going to LMAO because it’ll have proved that Rey is actually a Skywalker lol.

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ki adi moonshine

Posted: January 2nd 2020 2:22 pm

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Freezus wrote:

Yep if the JJ/Lucas cut gets released, I’m going to LMAO because it’ll have proved that Rey is actually a Skywalker lol.

Watching TFA it's obvious. And the novelization backs this up. JJ says they have a brother-sister relationship in recent interviews.

There's a reason why Lucas didn't attend the premiere.

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Freezus

Posted: January 2nd 2020 2:27 pm

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Yep I even referenced the TFA novelization and everyone was dumb enough to bash me for it.

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The_Somnambulist

Posted: January 2nd 2020 4:54 pm

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Lucas was dead-on with his 2015 "white slavers" remark.

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Freezus

Posted: January 2nd 2020 4:57 pm

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And did them a "fuck you" when his 2019 SE cut of the OT was stealth uploaded to Disney+. Even Disney had no idea lol

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royalguard96

Posted: January 2nd 2020 9:27 pm

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Disney made its money back from the 2012 purchase. That's literally all it cares about. It will weather bad publicity. It doesn't care about Hayden, Lucas, JJ, any of them.

I'm not defending any of this. Not at all. And as justifiably upset we and others may feel, the big corporation laughs and makes its deposits.

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darthpsychotic

Posted: January 2nd 2020 10:34 pm

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Disney's five Star Wars film ticket sales grossed the same as the reported $4b purchase price.

Disney gets 65% of Star Wars ticket sales and requires theaters to show the films for a at least a month.
Throw into the mix the two theme parks which reportedly cost $2b each to build out then factor plunging merchandise sales.

Disney has purposely held back merchandise till post-release due to MF's behaviour during the Prequel-era or as I like to call it "The Clone Wars-era". Recall that books, comics, and DVD sets used to leak months in advance. Now we have the first Christmas season since 1995 that the toy aisle shelves had barely any Star Wars collectibles.

prox wrote:

When I first made this thread I did include "allegations" in the title.
Thanks admins for your neat edits to the text body. Appreciated.

ki adi moonshine wrote:

DP, could you add this to the original post? Also,
#ReleaseTheJJCut is #2 tending on twitter lmfao.

Yes I amplified the uncorroborated information with questionable wording for the title.
As the source of the information - r/StarWarsSpeculation and r/SaltierThanCrait, both of which has helped propel #ReleaseTheJJcut to a top twitter trend on this date January 2 2020, should have been more than enough to imply everything as rumor.

In regards to the initial report I see a lot of posts taking the information literally.
IX's Dagger should be seen as NOT-Son of Mortis Dagger just as Jakku is Not-Tatooine, Maz Kanata or Baby Yoda as Not-Yoda and Din Djarin as Not-A-Fett.

There is some stretching to match Clone Wars story points to the story points of IX - however there is obvious influence. JJ Abrams and Lucas had a sitdown over The Force. The Dark Side was the antagonist of IX using Palpatine's (animated, reanimated) corpse to communicate with Kylo and Rey who represent the Son and Daughter only now re-formed into "Force Dyad".

The holocron "wayfinders" along with it's accompanying Dagger artifact appear to be remnants from a previous script version which would have included The Oracle creature. Because in IX's final version the macguffins are totally unnecessary. Kylo and Ren would have still found each other, find Endor's moon, along with finding the Not-Alive Emperor.

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ki adi moonshine

Posted: January 2nd 2020 11:02 pm

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I'm in contact with Lucasfilm_Insider trying to get more info to see if he's legit. Standby.

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rianalnn

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Heroic. May the Force be with you.

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Freezus

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I believe in you, Ki Adi. You are our Rogue One. I hope all of this wins out so we can push back the evil corporate machine.

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The_Somnambulist

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Fuck yeah! In the true spirit of an MF ninja. Or as the legends would have it. :heavymetal:

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ki adi moonshine

Posted: January 3rd 2020 5:20 am

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darthpsychotic wrote:

This I agree with. While I used the Son as a blanket term, I never thought they'd use that in the film. It was more like an ancient evil, like in the early Lucas treatments, and the dagger was key to all of this but they cut things down considerably. The Palpatine we see in TROS, IMO, isn't the same palpatine in ROTJ, going by Terrio's statements. Honestly if I were disney I'd tell these people to stfu. It's hilarious to see them implode like this.

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Freezus

Posted: January 3rd 2020 7:25 am

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Ki Adi,

I’m loving how Disney is on damage control like never before. Wanna bet that the executives are like, “Oh shit, shit shit!” They’re probably cursing George Lucas’ name like never before lmao.

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royalguard96

Posted: January 3rd 2020 11:11 am

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Box office worldwide grosses since 2015:

TFA - $2.068 billion
TLJ - $1.333 billion
TROS - $815 million
Rogue One - $1.056 billion
Solo - $392 million

Total revenue for those 5 films - $5.664 billion. Total budget for those 5 films - $1.285 billion. Profit - $4.379 billion. Value given to Lucas in exchange for Lucasfilm - $4.4 billion, with half that in cash, half in stocks. And the ticket revenue from TROS will easily keep climbing for a couple months at minimum.

I realize this is a total pipe dream, but I would love to know who *exactly* was pulling the strings for Disney here. There are names...JJ, Kennedy, Pablo, etc. that we can all tag and associate with the construction of the plot and the final product. But terms like "Disney meddling" and "corporate" beg for much deeper detail. Like who?

Who exactly felt they had the knowledge, the right and the judgment to alter significant parts of the final film? What was their reasoning and motivation? Did they really think appeasing Reylo fans with that kiss, at the cost of the most unnecessary and out-of-character moment of TROS, would work in their favor? Two women run a podcast called Skytalkers, and there are no two bigger Reylo fans than those two. TROS gave them exactly what they wanted, and since its release, those two have done nothing but openly mock, and throw shade, at TROS.

It's bizarre. And keep in mind, this is the same corporation that has produced The Mandalorian.

Who are the people/persons responsible for final cut? Final cut is usually a pretty strong negotiating point between a director and a studio. It's often a make-or-break detail for one side or the other. If Disney truly re-cut the film after JJ's final cut, JJ could very well have grounds for a breach-of-contract suit, one he'd likely win. Then again, as much as large companies jump through hoops to avoid lawsuits, it's hard to imagine anyone at Disney being that brazen.

I consider both JJ and Rian Johnson to be gifted storytellers and talented filmmakers.
I wish nothing but success for them both in the future, and I hope Star Wars benefits from their talents in the future.

The detail I just can't get past in all this is...what's the best story to tell post-ROJ that involves the Skywalker-Solo family? What's the next natural evolutionary direction for those characters? As someone who's education and professional career centers on writing and communication, I have a hard time composing a story that easily picks up where ROJ - that of the ultimate fairy tale happy ending - left off.

The most obvious answer to me is to follow Luke on a journey to re-establish the Jedi Order. There are plenty of story notes that could hit. Antagonists can be found in every corner. They don't necessarily need to be part of a Nazi-like oppressive government. Followers of the Sith lore - shown in shadow in TROS - could provide a nice natural enemy here, and something for Luke to play off of as he searches for students. That's a damn compelling story right there. Even Ben Solo's turn, the key catalyst in all of the ST, was virtually ignored by Disney until the newly released Rise of Kylo Ren comic. THAT was the best story to tell, and would have been ideally suited as the centerpiece of an Episode 7.

Part of Disney's challenge was in the natural aging of the 3 principle actors involved. Had Ep. 7-8-9 been filmed during the prequel era - 1997-2005 - they'd all be much more viable action-oriented characters and gives a storyteller many more options for where to steer those characters. But their hands were so tied because of how old - and sadly, the loss of Carrie Fisher - everyone was.

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royalguard96 wrote:

All of this.

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ki adi moonshine

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lol the way you guys find some justification for the pile of shit we got. it never ceases to amaze me. George had treatments and seemed just fine with the actors being older. this is a Disney issue. They had no idea what they were doing.

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Freezus

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I agree with you Ki Adi. They’re just pulling excuses out of their asses. Remember they’re the same people that bashed me for saying that the ST is a piece of shit.

Just remember... TLJ made money but IS considered a flop. Now Disney has three flops on their hands. Yikes.

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Wouldnt the novelization have a lot of this or did Disney get to the novel writers with a new story without JJ knowing? This is heavy conspiracy stuff with emotions creating your facts. I tend to land with the cooler heads. Im sure a ton of stuff was cut or edited, but Im sure JJ knew what was goin on... even if he didnt like it.

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Bandersnatch

Posted: January 4th 2020 11:04 am

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Hokusai wrote:

I tend to land with the cooler heads.

Same here, even when that is the more difficult point of view in this day and age.

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ki adi moonshine

Posted: January 4th 2020 2:05 pm

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Looks like the story is gaining a little more steam. Seen this on Twitter too. This is the guy I leaked to and the outlet does very well, which is why I chose it. It has a nice breakdown and even includes an interview with Terrio, which alludes to Palpatine...being more of a dark spirit, a culmination of a "ancient evil"...which is not the Palpatine we know. Lucas debunked this (I used to theorize Palpatine was like 1,000 years old but was masking his appearance...this was not the case and he confirmed it.)

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Freezus

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Yep and #ReleaseTheJJCut is still there on Twitter too.

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ki adi moonshine

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I took some screenshots yesterday. Let me upload them and check again on my phone and make another cup of coffee (still morning here.)

It's crazy, it got to like #2 trending. I know people are comparing it to the Snyder cut, but Snyder left with a significant amount of the film not finished. JJ did not.

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Freezus

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And didn't Snyder say he would keep some of the scenes that Joss Wheldon shot just with some CGI and editing changes?

But what JJ has is a 3 hour long cut that's finished and just sitting there in his house or a vault somewhere in Disney.

I really hope the cut gets released.

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ki adi moonshine

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I don't think it's released, but, I think it may leak. It's leak galore right now and I could totally see this happening.

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Freezus

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If it gets leaked, I deserve to see it with subtitles since I'm deaf and all. Too bad George can't start a new publishing company so he can release some "fan" films.

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The_Somnambulist

Posted: January 4th 2020 11:54 pm

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What if the terminally ill fan who Disney allowed to see TROS weeks before it was released was privy to the JJ cut? :lol:

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ki adi moonshine

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Guys just telling you, I'm in contact with Lucasfilm_Insider. For privacy reasons I'm not going to reveal too much because I don't want to put him in jeopardy, but, I can give you my assessment as to whether he's a LARPer or not.

DP, I trust you. Watch out for a PM soon. I'll give you what he tells me and I'll maybe reveal some bits here if I think he's legit.

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Freezus

Posted: January 5th 2020 12:57 am

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I trust you, Ki Adi over these assholes here.

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ki adi moonshine

Posted: January 5th 2020 2:15 am

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The_Somnambulist wrote:

What if the terminally ill fan who Disney allowed to see TROS weeks before it was released was privy to the JJ cut? :lol:

This isn't even funny, even in jest.

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Freezus

Posted: January 5th 2020 2:55 am

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Funny how this guy went from this:

The_Somnambulist wrote:

Fuck yeah! In the true spirit of an MF ninja. Or as the legends would have it. :heavymetal:

to this:

The_Somnambulist wrote:

What if the terminally ill fan who Disney allowed to see TROS weeks before it was released was privy to the JJ cut? :lol:

The year just started but wow, we have an entrant in 2020's Best hypocritical asshole of the year contest.

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The_Somnambulist

Posted: January 5th 2020 3:08 am

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Yeah, bad taste. Sorry.

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ki adi moonshine

Posted: January 5th 2020 4:52 am

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The_Somnambulist wrote:

Yeah, bad taste. Sorry.

I wasn't gonna go so strong. You apologized, realized it was in bad taste, it's all good my friend. Now.

IF Lucasfilm_Insider takes questions from me, and it's looking like he willl, what do you guys wanna know? I'm serious. If I think it's a serious question he will answer, I'll ask him. I'm kinda in awe that he answered me. He knows my real name, LOL. He saw it on a post that I sent him with a compilation of thsee post-film leaks. It's not my name but you guys can just call me ki adi since I've been going by it for forever.

I love how I can talk about this stuff with y'all and not get banned. yet. lol. :gb2tfn:

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Freezus

Posted: January 5th 2020 8:10 am

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Somnambulist,

Since you owned it up and apologized to Ki Adi, I’m going to forgive you for that comment and I’m going to Move on.

Ki Adi, ask the Insider if in the JJ cut, was Rey always a Skywalker?

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ki adi moonshine

Posted: January 5th 2020 8:20 am

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Yep that's one thing I want to ask him. It's possible they did change her lineage in reshoots. The whole film is a mess and taped together; so many scenes are re-purposed, etc., and you can tell watching it. It jumps around is just lacks any vision or cohesion. Also with that IGN interview with Terrio, he's very careful. Explains Palpatine "in this iteration/version" as an ancient "dark spirit" and the source of "all evil in the galaxy".

That sounds more like an interpretation of The Son to me, but changed a bit to fit general audiences, which I HAVE SAID on this board that I believe they'd change some things if it were The Son to make it accessible. Obviously Disney did not agree.

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Freezus

Posted: January 5th 2020 8:33 am

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Yep I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

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Monari

Posted: January 5th 2020 11:40 pm

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I'm sorry, I really find all of this a bit ridiculous. JJ is one of the most powerful directors in Hollywood, with a proven track record (in terms of money generation, not content) and has been so for the last decade. He also just signed a multi-million dollar deal with WB, who, while not as big as Disney, are still in their very exclusive ballpark of worth.

The point is, he's not some random guy making movies in his mom's basement, and this notion of "poor JJ the victim" does not line up with reality at all. I find it really hard to believe that "they" (whoever "they" are) were just bullying him around like some 1st year film school clown and he took it all like a meek puppy.

This leaker is implying that JJ had no leverage or influence in the making of this movie, which I think is utter bullshit. This is either JJ in full damage control trying to CYA or, more cynically, an attempt by Disney to prep the waters for a "JJ cut" release that will see the 20% hardcore Star Wars fans rush back to the theatres, and the 70% of people who didn't like it/were lukewarm/the Fandom Menace buy more tickets in order to see the "true" film in full righteous indignation.

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Bandersnatch

Posted: January 6th 2020 8:30 am

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Monari wrote:

I'm sorry, I really find all of this a bit ridiculous.

I concur. But I'm done arguing about it. I feel that I'm getting too old for this sort of thing.

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ki adi moonshine

Posted: January 6th 2020 3:16 pm

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I didn't realize it was an argument. Look I've passed around the info I was given, strangely enough some guy is coming out with my info and other things I know of I never included, which gives it some credence in my book. Now the whole thing about disney wanting to sabatoge JJ because of DC or some shit like that? GTFO. I just compiled all the info. And while I think TROS was a mess, I'm kind of neutral in all of this. I just know what I know though.

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RogueOne1216

Posted: January 9th 2020 9:52 am

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Freezus wrote:

It is only considered a flop by online trolls and idiots. In reality, TLJ is a success, even if it dropped 35% from the last film, because Disney knew not to expect TFA numbers. Solo was a flop. TROS is a box office underperformer even though it’ll hit a billion worldwide.

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Freezus

Posted: January 9th 2020 10:42 am

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And you’re a Disney shill. Everyone knows it’s a terrible movie.

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ki adi moonshine

Posted: January 9th 2020 10:49 am

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RogueOne1216 wrote:

Freezus wrote:

It's trending lower than TLJ. Financially it's not doing nearly as well as Disney wanted. It may not be a flop, but, it's a massive disappointment after the investment disney put into the franchise.

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