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Post Posted: October 28th 2011 11:13 pm
 
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Confirmed: It is amazing. If you have a casual interest in videogames but call yourself a fan of Batman or comics in general you owe it to yourself to [s]play[/s] own this game. The most complete Batman experience you'll ever have. It literally feels like the definitive version of Batman.

I was reading an interview with Paul Dini - creator/writer of the animated series and writer of the Arkham games - and he made a good point about where the Nolan films fail: giving the city of Gotham its own character/personalty. Gotham City is a character in itself but Nolan makes it feel like Chicago (because it is) and nothing more. I understand trying to make Batman seem realistic but it shouldn't necessitate eliminating one of the most iconic elements of the mythos.

A great way to close out the Nolan trilogy would have been what Arkham City did:

[spoil][align=left]Hugo Strange knows Batman's identity and seems to be the puppet master of this plan to annihilate Gotham's criminal population thereby supplanting Batman as the great hero. The guy really pulling the strings? Ras al Ghul, who promised Hugo that he would be his successor to purify civilization. It's the perfect kind of League of Assassins scheme that all ties up perfectly by the time Batman spoils things.[/align][/spoil]

As for TDKR, rumour has it the basic plot of the film is:

[spoil][align=left]Bane takes over Gotham because he ends up injuring Batman pretty badly. So much so that Batman leaves for a few months to recover. Bane keeps the city full panic-mode, because apparently most people believe that if they go bad, they’ll be safe from Bane. This leads to Gordon trying to save the city by himself, getting himself hospitalized in the process. Bruce then goes to visit him in some kind of disguise, fuelling Batman’s return.[/align][/spoil]

If true, it's not that interesting and I still think the villain choice is weak. When compared against the more iconic villains that could have been equally formidable challenges for Batman, Bane doesn't cry out to me as an inspired choice. I'm all in favour of introducing Talia to round out the League of Assassins (Shadows) arc, but I see Nolan transforming Bane into something he isn't for the sake of the story and that doesn't blow up my skirt.


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If true, it's not that interesting and I still think the villain choice is weak. When compared against the more iconic villains that could have been equally formidable challenges for Batman, Bane doesn't cry out to me as an inspired choice. I'm all in favour of introducing Talia to round out the League of Assassins (Shadows) arc, but I see Nolan transforming Bane into something he isn't for the sake of the story and that doesn't blow up my skirt.


Isn't that a distilled version of Bane from his most famous storyline (Knightfall)? That would seem to be the quintessential Bane, not something he isn't.


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Isn't that a distilled version of Bane from his most famous storyline (Knightfall)? That would seem to be the quintessential Bane, not something he isn't.

I should have clarified. Bane as a character - a hulking 8 foot 500 pound Venom-fuelled monster - does not fit into Nolan's universe and isn't easily adaptable without making major changes to the character's appearance / powers. In that case, what's the point? Tom Hardy is smaller than Bale yet I'm to believe he can break Batman's back?

Second, it seems as though Bane is somehow under the influence of Talia / associated with the League of Shadows. That's going to be a departure from his motivation.

Nolan has done his darndest to keep the villains grounded in a believable reality - favouring mob bosses over the Poison Ivys and Mr. Freezes - so why decide on a villain that clearly doesn't fit the universe you've created if you have to change how we identify with that character? Hugo Strange, Penguin, Riddler, and Hush are all much more Nolan-friendly villains.


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I see your point. I think it's a good one. I can imagine the thought process probably went something like this, though: "We need a character who can believably be a physical challenge for Batman and he has to be reasonably close to human."

"Recognizable" was probably a factor, too - and in that regard, there are only a few physical stalwarts - Clayface, Grundy, and Bane (maybe Red Hood?). Actually, now that I think about it (and you mention it), Hush might have fit the bill best (I could easily see him fitting into a Nolan movie), but I don't know if he's got the name recognition.


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I do agree that Batman needs to be challenged physically in a way he hadn't been the first two movies. But then again - and much like in most good Batman tales - the biggest thrill is the journey rather than the destination. As you say, very few mainstream enemies can actually challenge Batman straight up in a fight. If the approach was to have Batman actually have to battle the villain this time out, Bane is the logical - if not the only - choice.

Hush might have been a great foil for Bruce but I think it's a storyline that needs room to breathe. Elliot needs to be established as another billionaire in this world with a family tie to the Waynes. It might require too many flashbacks and feel like another origin story.


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CoGro wrote:
I should have clarified. Bane as a character - a hulking 8 foot 500 pound Venom-fuelled monster - does not fit into Nolan's universe and isn't easily adaptable without making major changes to the character's appearance / powers.


Are you serious with this shit? Have you watched these movies?


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Maybe he means Bane, the dark, brooding, dirty and sweaty, Ultra-violent Villain ...

oh wait, that fits too.


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Are you serious with this shit? Have you watched these movies?


Question: are you actually stupid or are you just trying to be an internet tough guy? You know what I meant and you know it's valid.

- Scarecrow doesn't need to look like a stack of straw to work.

- Joker doesn't need the acid backstory to work.

- Two-face doesn't need to be splashed with a vile of acid to work.

If you want Bane to be Bane and not a bald angry violent mob boss with a silly outfit, he's got to be a physically imposing freak. That's what separates him.

Make a point in response, otherwise go fuck yourself with your self-righteous bullshit.

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Maybe he means Bane, the dark, brooding, dirty and sweaty, Ultra-violent Villain ... oh wait that fits too.


You know if you take away brooding, dirty and sweaty it sounds exactly like well every other villain. What characterizes Bane is his physical appearance.

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Post Posted: October 31st 2011 6:00 pm
 
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Is that Bane's final grown stage or maybe the process hasn't been fully developed at this stage, which will maybe be shown later on in the movie? Looks like Batman humiliated him here and Bane has the need to take revenge later on?

Or maybe the Nolan approach is like turning Bane into something else than just physical presence... but that wouldn't really be Bane after all.


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Or maybe the Nolan approach is like turning Bane into something else than just physical presence... but that wouldn't really be Bane after all.

Bane is something besides a physical presence. He's supposed to be like an anti-Batman - he's supposed to be a physical and mental foil.

The picture CoGro compares above (the illustrated one) is a little bit of an exaggeration from his common portrayal, but I think that his point was that his physicality does need to be more visible than Batman's. Since Tom Hardy is a little smaller than Christian Bale, he doesn't seem imposing enough (which is a big part of his character, but not the only part).


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Other popular portrayals of Bane, for reference. Notice the common denominator:

Gotham Knights 2002:
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Arkham-verse video games:
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Animated series:
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Post Posted: October 31st 2011 11:24 pm
 
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we've had that before and it was retarded then too.

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the character just isn't that compelling.

Nolan made a mistake in Dark Knight by killing Dent. Dent needed another movie to breathe more for such a complex character. To have him die by a 20 ft fall was just a waste of future stories. Imagine another sequel where Batman had to go face to face (two-face) with a friend gone mad and find a way to bring him down.

It could have been fantastic to witness Bats struggling for motivation as he finally had to realize the cost of wearing that mantle. Not only had it cost him Rachel, but now Dent as well. Was being Batman worth all the pain and loss? How could he justify continuing on? Was his parents memory really enough to continue to fight injustice? Batman would then somehow find the means to carry on, rebuild his cave with new car of course and go out at the end and bring Two-Face down.

Instead, we're getting a growling, skinny terrorist with a goofy mask and a girl in tight leather as Bats whizzes around in some kinda helicopter to save the day. This movie could very well be where batman nukes the shark. :whateva:


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I agree with CoGro in that they better come up with some damn good justification for having Bane in there, or he won't stand-up to either Bane from the comics or the other villains Nolan brought in so far.


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As I said before, I suspect that Nolan’s Bane has more in common with the Mutant Leader from TDKR than the traditional Bane from the comics. In about a month, there will be a prologue and new trailer. So, we should know more about the Bane’s portrayal and everything else soon.


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Is the picture above the final stage of the mutation, maybe he'll inject himself with more sirum , so he manifests more like the Bane we know from the comics, but I don't think Nolan is going to do that with the character .

Hardy is muscled, but not enough like said above, I didn't like the idea of him being a Nolan-Villain either as Nolan makes his vision of batman villains seem almost real-life/realisticly, Bane is very difficult to portray in that matter, would've loved to have seen his version of Riddler.

As for the Mutant leader Idea....

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It kind of makes more sense like this, right?

It kind of explains the teeth-like mask.


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That's my point: if he shares more in common with the mutant leader then why not make him the mutant leader? Because Bane has a more recognizable name? How many casual viewers actually knew the name Joe Chill?

Batman purists and/or Nolan apologists will hammer Tim Burton for making Joker the gunman who killed Wayne's parents but will likely laud a decision that completely changes a character's integrity.


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Yes; I would say that the named character is named Bane because it’s a more recognizable moniker than “Mutant Leader.”

Warner Brothers would have a tougher time marketing a film with one villain who can’t be revealed (because it would be a major spoiler for her character) and another villain who is an esoteric onetime character. At least with Bane, there’s a distinct image of a masked behemoth. Most people won’t know him. But, there will be a good percentage who are either aware of him or think they have seen him somewhere before.

In terms of Burton’s Batman, I agree that Joe Chill change works for that film. Personally, it’s not a change I would have made. (It leads to an outcome that’s little too neat and tidy for my tastes.) While it’s true that Nolan is not a pursuit when it comes to Batman mythology, he does a good job of capturing the essence of the main Bat-characters on screen.

FYI: Hans Zimmer has put out an open request for everyone to add their voice to that crazy primeval chant from the teaser trailer. Go join the Cult of Bane / the Mutant Gang.


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Co-Gro, my point is that Bane isn't always portrayed as the fucking Hulk. There's nothing about this character that's too unrealistic or can't be adapted to Nolan's universe. Certainly not any more or less than the other characters.

Bane being drawn huge is a nice and easy way to illustrate that he's stronger than Batman, which is an aspect that they are obviously staying faithful to. Hardy may be a couple inches shorter than Bale but he's still looks like a beast that could wipe the floor with Bats.

Look, Bane doesn't exactly blow my socks off either, but I believe that Hardy has the talent to make this character interesting. Bronson shows he's every bit as capable of bringing a nuanced and fascinating character to the screen as Ledger.

Also, Joker killing Bruce's parents did have a significant impact on the nature of their relationship. It becomes nothing more than a revenge story.


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Banes mask explained ...

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Interesting. The film will be set in the future then. I wonder if Joker's death will be mentioned.


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The Bat article from this months Empire magazine scanned ...

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Possible start of TDKR viral campaign. Rumours/suggestions/allegations from twitter that this is the fella Bane is sent to do away with in the forthcoming prologue.

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Empire Magazine also got sent one.


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Operation Early Bird

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From Comingsoon.net, I'm assuming when the countdown expires someone somewhere is getting an early look at the trailer or preview.

Operation Early Bird



This Batman fan site had an actor named Alon Aboutboul featuring as "a mad scientist" who looks an awful lot like the chap in the photo.

Could this be the source of Bane's "big fuck off bomb?"


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A new poster and a detailed description of the prologue are below. Here is a listing of sites where the prologue can be seen early. The next trailer is due Friday.

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WB logo.

Ice. Cold. Crystalized imagery and a very familiar logo of a Bat.

Jim Gordon at Harvey Dents funeral gives a eulogy, a few words about inspiring others…

CUT— An unnamed mountainous region. A jeep rides along the landscape. Hooded men in the back of a jeep are driven to a small plane… the jeep is met by an armed CIA agent who takes into custody a political VIP, who is traveling with these hooded men… or is he?

The CIA learns that one of the hooded men is BANE?! The hooded men, along with the political VIP are loaded onto the plane. The plane takes to the air as the CIA interrogates those taken on board. One of the hooded men is dangled outside the plane and questioned/threatened and when the CIA agent doesn’t get what he wants, he fires his weapon (next to the hooded man’s ear, he is not killed) and then begins to question the other hooded man. That hooded man is unmasked and revealed to be… Bane!

CIA: Was it your plan all along to be captured?

Suddenly, a much larger plane overtakes the smaller plane occupied by CIA, Bane and hostages. Operatives from the larger plane descend onto the smaller one– Bane in all his Ventilator glory is revealed….

CIA: If I take this off, will you die?

BANE: No. But I will be in a lot of pain.

BAM! Operatives from the larger plane fire upon the interior of the plane interrupting the interrogation. The larger plane has ahold of the smaller one as it pulls it by wires throwing all the passengers downward in a disorienting fashion. After quickly overtaking the plane, Bane’s operatives bring in a man with inside a body bag. This man is dead or looks barely alive. Bane then takes the VIP political prisoner and inserts a tube and transfers blood from the body bag man. (It’s confusing as to why this is important.)

AND THEN… in a scene that no words will be able to do justice, a hole is cut from the smaller plane and a wire takes Bane and the VIP politico through the rear of the plane as the smaller plane is ripped apart and is destroyed while members of Bane’s team sacrifice their lives going down with the small plane. (Again, it should be stressed, this description pales to what you will actually see, it’s a true spectacle.) The chant can be heard at the end… Deh-Shay! Bah-Sah-Ra!

The scene is followed by a montage that includes many images we’ve seen, the most striking includes the Bat-copter chasing down fatigued Batmobiles down the streets of Gotham, and a final shocking image of Bane tossing away a shattered and torn Batman mask into rubble…

The only complaint about the 7 minute prologue was echoed by all in attendance: Bane’s dialog is very difficult to understand. Imagine Darth Vader with a very thick accent. Hopefully this will be fixed in the final film. Overall this opening scene is confusing, epic, and will leave audiences speechless. All in a good way. [/align][/spoil]

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I was hoping for something more edgy for the poster - like a broken spine that is arranged in shape of a bat. ;)


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I like it. I just hope they don't try to tackle knightfall on top of everything else that they're going for.


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I like it. I just hope they don't try to tackle knightfall on top of everything else that they're going for.


What do you mean "don't try to tackle knightfall"? Bane spreading chaos in Gotham, Bruce going into retirement, their physical confrontation - it's this particular Batman version's knightfall. Even the film's title is a play on that.


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I know it's going to be this films version of it, but there is just so much in knightfall to try and tackle in a 120 minute film.


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Cryostar wrote:
I like it. I just hope they don't try to tackle knightfall on top of everything else that they're going for.

Bat-synergy is one of the Noaln brothers' strengths. With the last movie, they managed to successfully employ key elements from The Dark Knight Returns, The Killing Joke, and The Long Halloween.

Since Bane uses a method of extraction similar to Batman’s in Hong Kong, it appears that he is being setting up as a parallel to The Dark Knight. I’m not sure why he has to be so difficult to understand. (Maybe there should be subtitles.) I’m going to guess that the “the fire is rising” comment alludes to Bane’s plan to raze Gotham League of Shadows style.

I like the fact that Nolan is going big with this movie.


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:siren: UPDATED LINK FOR NEW TRAILER "cam"

That's some really crappy football stadium cgi right there. :what: the copter is back to being a hovercraft, and Bane has a really cool line. "when gotham is in ashes, you have my permission to die." said like a cold blooded gangsta to an unmasked Bruce Wayne :o


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Bat-synergy is one of the Noaln brothers' strengths. With the last movie, they managed to successfully employ key elements from The Dark Knight Returns, The Killing Joke, and The Long Halloween.

I like the fact that Nolan is going big with this movie.

I just hope it works for him. I know he's combined stories in the past and it works, but knightfall is touchy....lots of fan boys out there.


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HOLY SHIT! Thanks for sharing! My friend Bryan was saying he thinks there is a better quality version of the prologue floating around. He sent me a GIF that someone had sent him. Any chance of helping me locate that version?

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Yeah, the stadium shot is a little goofy.

Loving Bane, though.


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I saw the IMAX preview in Glasgow, Scotland last night. The Bane prologue was shot about 10 miles away from my house, originally they were supposed to land a burning plane on the motorway (freeway) but obviously that got changed. You've no doubt seen mentioned but in the theatre the Bane dialogue was very hard to tune into, it took me several viewings of the bootleg to get what he was saying. There was an effect and a breather sound on the vocal but it was pretty unclear, hopefully it's just something that needs cleaned up in ADR.

I do like where they're going with the paralells between Bane and the Bat, Bane's mask is all about intimidation "no-one cared who he was til he wore the mask" he uses the same tools to achieve his goals as the Batman, ie Tumblers and Skyhook (it is the same plane btw) He appears to have access to all of Batmans inventory of tools and according to the trailer possibly even his identity. Not only is he a physical match but he has access to the same faculties as Bruce has always had.

Also hard to spot in the bootleg but much clearer in the IMAX screening is that Selina Kyle appears to be in the back of a cop car and is wearing an orange boiler suit at some point, similar to the inmates from TDK.

I also suggest there's a scene in the preview that shows the finale in terms of the fate of the batman and it's not the one everyone will be talking about. I think the Bat might be broken but not in the way everyone is expecting.


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DAMN. here's a recorded while filming scene, kinda spoilery, of a HUGE battle between the cops and Bane's thugs and tumblers.

[flash width=640 height=385]http://www.youtube.com/v/S2fZ2G8UYEw&fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0&hd=1[/flash]


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Caught the prologue before M:I last night and came away confused as fuck. I couldn't understand anything anyone was saying - especially Bane. Maybe it was my theater.

But aside from that major issue, the prologue was really well-shot, well-choreographed and generally intense.

And the brief trailer which followed was a real treat. The visuals are striking. Can't wait to see this in IMAX.


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MUCH better version of trailer. DOWNLOAD the official one is suppose to drop next week sometime. but this will do until then.

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THANKS! I'm downloading it right now!


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Saw it today with MI:4 - great movie.

Most of Bane's dialogue came out fine in my screening of the prologue. Tough to understand but not as incomprehensible as has been reported.

The prologue was an impressive display of stunt work though I don't think it did as good of a job of setting up the character as the Joker bank robbery did. We don't know if this is the opening scene of the movie yet (like the robbery) but if it is I think the audience has more of a "cool, but WTF" response.

We didn't get this fuller trailer after the prologue so thanks for the upload bear.


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The prologue is the opening to the film (link). Now that I’ve seen it and the trailer (thanks, bv), a fuller picture of the story and ending has come into view in my mind.

First off, I was wondering what type of sociopolitical angle would be at the plot’s backbone. With TDK, Joker’s existential anarchism went hand-in-hand with the War on Terror. Here, there is interplay with the subject of income inequality. Interestingly, this nexus comes from Selina Kyle. Traditionally, Catwoman is portrayed as a thrill seeker who accumulates trinkets for kicks. However, in the trailer, she is revealed to have a social continence. Since Selena stereotypes Wayne as an atypical one-percenter, it’s possible that (in a twist) Catwoman is represented as a Robin Hood archetype. Maybe Bane hijacks her movement to his own end?

Consequently, the treatment of masks seems to vary by gender. In Begins, it is said that Bruce Wayne is the disguise and Batman is the true identify. So far, it seems that Bane’s mask is his true face and his underlying appearance is just a formality. On the flip side, the two main females (Selena and “Miranda”) wear masks which obscure their true identities rather than expose. Since the dominate teaser image is a discarded Bat cowl, it seems that there is going to a merging of the Wayne and Batman identities in the film.

Regarding the ending, I think the opening shot is the key tell. Since the film begins with a funeral, it may conclude with one. Recently, Oldman alluded to the Harvey Dent Act as the main reason for the peace time referenced in the trailer. As such, legacy is an important subject. With the plot, the legacy of Dent (and by extension Rachel) comes into odds with that of Ra’s. Bane supplants Dent’s diplomatic heritage with Ra’s vision of annihilation. If Gotham is to survive, it is going to require another larger public sacrifice from which it can draw inspiration.

In terms of martyrdoms, there was an ultimate one at the end of The Dark Knight Returns. Even if the Nolan didn’t put the words “The Dark Knight” in his title, you could still pinpoint the influence of Frank Miller on his Batman films. Since both men have bookended the Batman’s career, it makes sense that Nolan would employ another one of Miller’s ideas.

With the Dark Knight Returns, Batman returns from retirement and also from the grave. In order to duck public attention and law enforcement, Wayne fakes his own death. This cover allows him to depart to the shadows where he can train a group of future crime fighters. This resurrection not only provides for Batman’s legacy, but also symbolizes the coalescence of his dual identifies. In the first chapter, Wayne is uneasy about his separate Batman persona. As the story progresses, a singular voice emerges. By the conclusion, the hero is presented unmasked and at peace with himself and his mark on the world.

I believe the same thing will happened in Rises. At first, the citizens of Gotham will see their protector’s identity and body shattered by Bane. However, they will also see him rise from that devastation. They will come to realize that a man who had everything sacrificed his lifestyle and his life for an ideal.

The audience will see the ascension go a step further. They will see Batman rise from the grave and complete the trilogy’s cyclical story. In Begins, Wayne was assumed deceased while he learned from the League of Shadows. Here, he will be presumed deceased while teaching his own vigilante Shadows. Wayne’s public death will serve as a saint-like example of civic responsibility and his new apprentices will help ensure a safer future for humanity. His dark past will have led to a potentially brighter future.


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Thanks for the trailer upload. I hope the whole film will be as weird as this teaser.

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...and Bane has a really cool line. "when gotham is in ashes, you have my permission to die." said like a cold blooded gangsta to an unmasked Bruce Wayne :o


We don't see them together in that shot (or Bane's lips move for that matter) - so Bane might be directing these words to someone else than Bruce in the actual movie (or to a masked Batman). Of course I hope this is more than just a editing trick limited to the trailer.


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quite a few people have noticed a possible spoiler in the trailer:
[spoil][align=left]Bruce is seen walking with a cane![/align][/spoil]


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Good quality versions (the ones with the HD icon are downloadable rips from Apple's website):

http://www.hd-trailers.net/movie/the-dark-knight-rises/


Post Posted: December 20th 2011 9:08 pm
 
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Understandably, some Warner executives are apprehensive about Bane’s voice. Apparently, Nolan is using the distortion as a means to heighten suspense.

Concerning the prologue, it could be an homage to the start of ANH. Instead of an interstellar hijacking, there’s a midair one with Bane subbing for Lord Vader. The ballroom dance between Selina and Wayne is another sly nod from Nolan to the Burton Bat-world. Given that Christmas is this week, it's a timely reveal.


Post Posted: December 22nd 2011 12:06 pm
 
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Loved reading your thoughts, E_CHU_TA. :heavymetal:

The prologue was amazing in IMAX. And that trailer... damn. I am so ready for this movie.


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SPOILER WARNING: This story, which will appear in the upcoming Los Angeles Times 2012 Film Sneaks issue, reveals some details about a scene in the upcoming film “The Dark Knight Rises.”

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Gotham City is a war zone. A ruthless madman named Bane has ripped away any sense of security and the citizens, haggard and clutching suitcases with refugee anxiety, sit behind barbed wire waiting to see what will blow up next. A hooded prisoner is dragged in – it’s Bruce Wayne, one of Gotham’s most famous faces – but the eyes of the crowd go instead to the woman in black standing at the top of the staircase.

“Sorry to spoil things, boys, but Bane needs these guys himself,” says sultry Selina Kyle, played here by actress Anne Hathaway, navigating the steps with stiletto heels that, on closer inspection, turn out to have serrated edges capable of leaving nasty claw marks in a fight. She also wears high-tech goggles that, when not in use, flip up and resemble feline ears.

Meet the new Catwoman — but don’t expect her to do any purring this time around. “I love the costume,” Hathaway said last summer on the set of “The Dark Knight Rises,” after shooting that scene for the film. “I love the costume because everything has a purpose, nothing is in place for fantasy’s sake, and that’s the case with everything in Christopher Nolan’s Gotham City.”

Nolan is the director who truly made Batman a grim creature of the night after decades of Hollywood versions that climbed into the Batmobile with a wink. On July 20, the filmmaker delivers “The Dark Knight Rises,” his third and, he says, his final Gotham City film. Christian Bale, now a newly minted Oscar winner, is back as the haunted hero and the supporting cast again includes Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman and Michael Caine.

The newcomers this time include Hathaway and Tom Hardy (who worked with Nolan on “Inception”), who plays Bane, the hulking, masked terrorist who will test the hero physically more than any of his previous foes, Nolan says. The movie is set eight years after the events of “The Dark Knight,” the billion-dollar 2008 hit that will be a tough act to follow, especially considering the Oscar-winning performance by Heath Ledger as the Joker.

Hathaway says the new script (based on a story by Nolan and David S. Goyer and written by the director and his brother, Jonathan Nolan) is strong and that she and Hardy have Nolan on their side, which counts for a lot in a franchise that has been defined by his carefully crafted shadows and symbols.

“Gotham City is full of grace,” Hathaway said. “You look at Heath’s performance as the Joker, there was a lot of madness there but there was also a grace and he had a code there. There’s a lot of belief and codes of behavior in Gotham and my character has one, too. A lot of the way she moves and interacts with people is informed by her worldview. Chris has given us all such complex, defined, sophisticated worldviews that it’s just a matter of doing your homework and getting underneath the character’s skin.”
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Post Posted: January 1st 2012 3:18 pm
 
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some new rumors:

[spoil][align=left]from someone at Nolan Fans:

Don't know if this is true or not, but it is related to the scene in the prologue/teaser with Batman's broken mask when Bane and Batman fight underground in the sewer area.

"My friend was fortunate enough to get to work with the sound crew for The Dark Knight Rises in this past month or so during their first haul of post production work , due to his skill in the field and acquaintance with one of the crew members. He said it was very early in the production for this kind of work, but WB wants to stay ahead of schedule. He got to see one very important scene from the film. The information I’m about to post is from him word for word. I asked him if I could share it, and he said I could as long as I do not mention his name.

The scene I saw is the fight scene between Bane and Batman that Warner Bros has been promoting for the last couple of months. The scene takes place in the sewers underneath the city’s football stadium. It begins with Batman entering the sewer and taking out Bane’s men one by one. This is very similar to the dock scene from Batman Begins. Batman employs a lot of stealth here. Bane’s men catch on and point their guns at Batman, forcing him out. Bane himself steps out of the shadows.

Bane: Ah, we are so thankful that you accepted our invitation. Batman: What do you want? Bane lifts his hand to reveal a detonator. He presses it and there is an explosion behind him. Batman looks concerned as if to expect something else to happen, but nothing does. Bane laughs(His laugh is freaky, man. He doesn’t laugh like someone who knows how to laugh, but rather someone who’s mimicking laughter. As if he’s never had a time to laugh in his life. Combined with the mechanical sound created by his mask, it’s absolutely chilling).

Bane: A mere example of what is to come. Just above us are 30,000 people who have been lied to their entire lives. They have been manipulated by a system of corruption and greed, forced to live in a city of decadence. The very air they breathe is polluted by the lies of the city. Lies that you have created. They are slaves, yet they do not even realize it. We are here to liberate them. Starting today, the people of Gotham will finally have their eyes opened. Batman: You can’t change Gotham this way. Bane: Come now, you of all people must understand the importance of dramatic example. This is the way it must be, there is no other way. Gotham will be set free. Batman: Gotham won’t bend to the will of a terrorist. Bane: They will bend to me. However, I haven’t answered your question Batman. You asked me what I wanted. Truthfully there is only one thing I want. I want to break you.

After saying this Bane charges Batman and a fight ensues. For the first half the fight it’s pretty even, then near the middle Batman begins to gain the momentum, but ultimately loses it, and Bane just brutally demolishes Batman with every blow after that. It’s done in a way that it seems Bane was toying with Batman for most of the fight, letting him think he had a fighting chance, but by the end it’s apparent Batman never stood a chance. He gets Batman to the ground and rips his mask off. He looks at the piece of Batman’s mask in his hand. Bane: For so long you have dedicated your life to a dying cause. Change is coming, and it begins today.

In one of the most brutal shots of the entire series, Bane then stomps on Batman’s face with is boot, knocking Batman out. Bane: Take him. Two of Bane’s men grab Batman and start dragging him away. Bane walks away and drops Batman’s mask. That is all I saw.


Some notes:

-He only has about three lines, but from what I heard Batman’s voice is perfect. It is not the unintelligible growl we heard in The Dark Knight. There is a slight growl to it, but it’s more like his voice from Begins, but not even that. It’s very similar to the whisper we heard in the teaser, but a lot more aggressive and stern. It’s hard to explain, but it should not be getting any criticism this time around. Well, it probably will, but I think it’s an improvement from The Dark Knight.

-Tom Hardy as Bane is absolutely brilliant and terrifying. My description does not do his performance any justice what’s so ever. It’s completely subtle and nuanced, particularly his delivery of the “break you” line. I’ve seen a lot of fan films with Bane where he screams the line like a barbaric buffoon. Hardy’s delivery of the line is the exact opposite. It’s very quiet, but completely sinister. The way his eyes widen when he says, it’s scary. There’s a sort of longing in his voice, as if this is something he’s been waiting for, for a very long time.

The way he charges Batman is terrifying as well. It’s edited in a way that it takes you by surprise, believe it or not. It causes a very physical reaction in you. You don’t expect him to charge. It’s that feeling you get when you’re on a roller coaster and you get to the very top, right before you drop. That’s what it feels like when he charges, and he charges like some kind of strategic gorilla, he shows no sign of stopping or slowing. It’s wonderful.

-The full scene is a lot longer then I described. It’s a good 10 minutes long. Bane has one line during the actual fight “Is this all you can offer? I expected better from Gotham’s champion”. Batman has no dialogue in the fight. The key here is the environment. So much of the sewer environment is used in the fight. Whether it’s Bane pushing Batman against the railings, plowing through the water fall, or even Batman throwing a batarang to take out one of the supporters of a rusty beam. Through out the entire fight Bane’s men have their guns pointed at Batman, but they don’t intervene. They just watch.


the ending:

This is before the official ending. The actual ending ends with a montage of some sort. Apparently Bruce "dies" at the end. It ends with Bruce and Bane battling it out in their final battle, a maskless Bruce goes up against Bane and manages to unmask Bane in the process or from what I've heard both of them are maskless, this is from the scene where Bane holds half of Batman's cowl. The fight takes place in the Batcave.

The rumors that are going around seem to be true, the fight is brutal and leaves them both dead. It does not end in a sad way despite Bruce dying. After the montage, Bruce is infact in hiding and re-emerges in the same fashion that was in the comics of the Dark Knight Returns sans the horse-riding and followers.

I believe he emerges in full Bat costume on, standing atop a ledge of a skyscraper in what can be described as an "iconic" shot. He has no dialogue. It merely shows that Bruce is still alive.

I am trying to find the script for this but I know Nolan and co have not written in down and it has already been shot. I do have parts of the script, one part where we see a young Ra's al Ghul and a board meeting. The tumblers are stolen from Wayne Enterprises too and Dr. Pavel is executed at one point in the script. After the prologue, Bane doesn't show up for a bit where he reveals his master plan, a machine that will wreck the entire city closing Gotham off from the public. He uses it as a threat to make sure the National Guard doesn't come into the city, otherwise he will detonate it all through out Gotham.

Bruce doesn't get his back broken nor does he end up a quadriplegic. He does end up walking with a cane though after the first fight with Bane.

Miranda Tate assists Bane, I believe she is Talia but I didn't see that mentioned in the script. She basically supplies Bane with the tumblers.

Selina is in the final montage at the end.

Sorry, there won't be another sequel. Bruce does indeed re-emerge at the very end of the film and continues his plight as Batman full-time. No more Bruce Wayne, just Batman.

Blake is a beat Cop on the rise and is pretty much Gordon's most trusted officer and handpicked by Gordon himself. He is initially assigned to bring Batman down but eventually learns the truth about all the events that happened in TDK. He is one of the good guys, he's sort of like a young Gordon.

Selina Kyle eventually finds out as does Miranda Tate.

The (end) montage basically recaps everything from Begins, TDK, a segment featuring Ra's telling Bruce to overcome his fears, Bruce "rising", per say, Rachel, Dent, Gordon, Selina Kyle weeping believing Bruce is dead with Bruce's gravestone next to his parents. It's very powerful.

Nolan actually told the ending to most of the main cast, Bale, Hardy, Oldman and I believe Hathaway as she shot one of the scene. Oh and Michael Caine got bits and pieces of it too as he filmed a bit in the montage.

Q&A:

1. Is Bane working with the League of Shadows? How much do the LOS feature in the story.
Bane has his own army, Tate is associated with the League. Basically Bane's outfit are hired mercenaries and the League pays them a great deal to bring down Gotham.

2. Is the back-story of Bane explored?
Not that I know of, Tate's origin is explored more as it features a young Ra's al Ghul.

3. Does Bane reveal the crimes Harvey Dent committed to the populace of Gotham?
Yes, he does. Which causes the riots.

4. Is the Joker referenced in any way at all?
No.

5. What has happened in the eight years that separate TDK and TDKR has Batman been active for all those years?
Bruce has still been performing his duties as Batman, however, he is growing extremely exhausted.

6. What is the exact nature of the Earthquake device?
It is used as a deterrent to keep the National Guard from entering Gotham. Bane threatens to tear down the city if the National Guard starts entering Gotham. He takes over Gotham using this weapon of mass destruction (as it's called in the script).

7. To what extent does Scarecrow appear in the film and if its only a cameo how does he feature in it.
Scarecrow presides over a court-room like environment, it's a wonderfully fun scene. Scarecrow plays the judge with prisoners being the jury.
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This all sounds legit. Plus, the plot of TDK leaked around January 2008.

[spoil][align=left]I guess I was right about the film beginning and ending with a funeral. However, I’m confused on the finale. I’m not sure how the hero pose of Batman coveys a faked death / resurrection. Since it follows a montage which includes scenes from the prior films, how will the audience not think that this is a moment from before the funeral? Maybe it’s timeframe is purposefully ambiguous and it’s left up to the audience to theorize when it takes place?

I suppose that Selina and Blake are set-up as the new Batman and Gordon by the end of the film.[/spoil][/align]


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well from what I understood of the spoiler above:
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