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• Star Wars 1977-1983 BluRay 1080p • AVC DTS-HD MA6.1-CHDBits

So how's the Mandarin track? If it's sync'd could be a factor showing these are real. Of course there doesn't seem to be any significant changes which would have affected the length of the movies, so sync'ing the 2004 dvd audio could have been done. So something like the new Krayt dragon sound, if it is in the Mandarin could be another clue that this is legit.

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Post Posted: August 31st 2011 9:37 am
 
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So how's the Mandarin track? If it's sync'd could be a factor showing these are real. Of course there doesn't seem to be any significant changes which would have affected the length of the movies, so sync'ing the 2004 dvd audio could have been done. So something like the new Krayt dragon sound, if it is in the Mandarin could be another clue that this is legit.

I just checked Mandarin track. Krayt Dragon is old version and end of the ROTJ doesn't have Vader's "No! Noo!". I would guess that Mandarin track is from DVD.
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Duke wrote:
I just checked Mandarin track. Krayt Dragon is old version and end of the ROTJ doesn't have Vader's "No! Noo!". I would guess that Mandarin track is from DVD.

Thanks so most likely China is not getting a official release, which coincides with Amazon.cn not listing any. hence this version filling in the market void.

So how does the Mandarin sound? Never heard it before.
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Post Posted: September 1st 2011 4:42 pm
 
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I have studied only one class of Mandarin so with my extremely limited knowledge of the language I would say I was really impressed how clear pronouncing there was. Plus I was totally impressed from likeness of Palpatine's voice actor. Very close to the real thing.



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Evidently these are not actual retail BD ISOs. These are NOT ripped from the discs. Actual BDs' have Cinavia protection which is missing here. Chinese must have leaked these before discs were burned.

But the scene already has the actual retail discs and they are working to broke the protection. Estimation is something like 2-3 weeks.
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Evidently these are not actual retail BD ISOs. These are NOT ripped from the discs. Actual BDs' have Cinavia protection which is missing here. Chinese must have leaked these before discs were burned.


This is beyond me, but here's a discussion which was on this subject: "Star Wars Blu-ray's have a new BD+ protection"

also see: http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?p=319486
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This is beyond me, but here's a discussion which was on this subject: "Star Wars Blu-ray's have a new BD+ protection"

also see: http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?p=319486

Yeah, most likely these still are 100% finished versions with only missing the cinavia protection.
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Post Posted: September 1st 2011 5:18 pm
 

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Is this typical, that the disc authoring company would not apply the Cinavia before going off to manufacturing? Seems odd that they wouldn't want to test the discs with the Cinavia since it's going to affect the audio as that's where it's embedded. (Yes Verance (Cinavia company) says it's imperceptible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia)

If this is correct it almost sounds like ROTS part two. The RotS leak happened from the coloring company then, could it have happened from the BR authoring company this time? If yes, anyone know the name of that company? Well i'm sounding like a NARC, but there might be something in this source file which could be interesting.

The ROTS leak file for instance had a Chapter Point at every scene change, almost 500 chapter. Anyway that boring thread is over here:
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Lucasfilm NARC?? REVEALED, your intentions are, NEWBIE!
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Yeah this account is newbie dated. Wish I was anybodies NARC then i'd have answers to some of the dumb questions i've got. Like how did that RotS actually leak. If I knew I wouldn't be wasting my time sending Freedom of Information requests to the FBI and ICE getting dumb documents like the one below and wasting my time reading them:

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Anyway there's a fascinating story to be written about Star Wars and piracy, every step of the way, from 1977 SW two weeks after first showing the FBI raiding a facility, to ESB when Woz of Apple Computer hired a projectionist to take a copy to a telecine lab, to the TPM and the beginning of straight digital copies. The public understands SW because people were able to watch it repeatedly, I think piracy is a large part of it's popularity.
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Yeah this account is newbie dated. Wish I was anybodies NARC then i'd have answers to some of the dumb questions i've got. Like how did that ROtS actually leak. If I knew I wouldn't be wasting my time sending Freedom of Information requests to the FBI and ICE getting dumb documents like the one below and wasting my time reading them:

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%20-none is not a [s]United Nations[/s] Lucasfilm Agent. What is being suggested is what happened with the 2005 workprint leak could happen now.

The heavily redacted investigation document above is somewhat disturbing as the redactions make the Freedom Of Information Act pretty much useless.
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Evidently these are not actual retail BD ISOs. These are NOT ripped from the discs. Actual BDs' have Cinavia protection which is missing here. Chinese must have leaked these before discs were burned.


Just because Cinavia is attached to the discs doesn't mean that the audio cannot be copied. Cinavia has been broken already in the scene. And the retail bd's HAVE leaked. They are not US retails but that doesn't matter. Regardless of what the fairy's wanna think, these RETAIL BD discs WILL PLAY on HTPC's without issue. These are final products stop the fear mongering jezz. I have no doubt the cinavia protection is on these ISO's btw.

And as far as I have read the new BD+ has already been cracked in the latest version of Slysoft's software.

Ill be glad with my actual copy is here in hand. But till then rock on with the iso's.

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But the scene already has the actual retail discs and they are working to broke the protection. Estimation is something like 2-3 weeks.


Lulz. I guess we will all find out when the ISO's are fully out now won't we.

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%20-none is not a [s]United Nations[/s] Lucasfilm Agent. What is being suggested is what happened with the 2005 workprint leak could happen now.

The heavily redacted investigation document above is somewhat disturbing as the redactions make the Freedom Of Information Act pretty much useless.


These leaks are no different then the Thor 3D BD that leaked just yesterday. Its just another movie that gets leaked before street date. Its not like its a film no one has seen before that is leaked 2 weeks in perfect picture quality. These things are leaked a dime a dozen. 2weeks pre is about the average time for most bd's to leak out.
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darthpsychotic wrote: The heavily redacted investigation document above is somewhat disturbing as the redactions make the Freedom Of Information Act pretty much useless.

That page looks worse then what's actually being done. The redacted parts are to stop identification of these individuals. These people served their jail time, they should be given the chance to continue their lives. For the most part these black outs remove people's names and identification info, so what's left are their actions which lead to the creation of the FBI/ICE file.

Anyway back to the on-topic, i'm checking with someone familiar with DVD production on another forum to learn more about Cinavia and when it is actually added to a BR. If there really is none as in this initial leak, it's a possible sign of where it came from. The problem now though is there could be multiple leaks as each new version has different audio.

One was English/Mandarin, this second is English/Japanese/Thai. But the Mandarin was listened to and was found to be missing some of the new upgrades (Nooo and Krayt). So they are most likely the same source, they just left off the Japanese and Thai as that was not their target audience for the non-ISO release. This is a mini-mystery, and I like to see what the community involved can figure out.

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Klownicle wrote: Cinavia has been broken already in the scene. And the retail bd's HAVE leaked.

So do you think this is a run of the mill, someone pulled one copy off the press or in the distribution chain? The first version proving that they were able to get around whatever copyright protection was on the disc. Not something like the 2005 RotS leak where it took place closer to the doors of LFL. (answered in post above)
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Klownicle wrote:
Cinavia has been broken already in the scene. And the retail bd's HAVE leaked.

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So do you think this is a run of the mill, someone pulled one copy off the press or in the distribution chain? The first version proving that they were able to get around whatever copyright protection was on the disc. Not something like the 2005 RotS leak where it took place closer to the doors of LFL. (answered in post above)


I would say most of the leaked stuff these days comes from the plants that manufacturer the copies; since usually its the chinese leakin everything else these days. Theres nothing special going on with these. Just the run of the mill BD leak that happens with every movie. No conspiracy here people. The only thing present here is these are not region 1 copies. What region I don't know; not good on region codes.
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Yes the whole Homeland Security involvment in entertainment piracy is disturbing.

Regarding the differing audio language tracks differences - perhaps it is a case of using a previous release track for cost issues or even an addition by the group itself.

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AUDiO 1.........: English DTS-HDMA core 6.1 1509Kbps
AUDiO 2.........: Mandarin AC3 2.0 192Kbps


For those who haven't been following notice the English track has a different quality than the Mandarin track. Furthermore it has been established that the BluRay audio changes are not on the Mandarin track.
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Definitley the first version of ROTS I saw had a timecode on it, and I think had been burnt as two VCDs as I was pretty much as shit with techincal stuff as my actual PC was back then.

Another one that springs to mind is the Hulk (Ang Lee) where half the FX shots were missing at the end and it seemed to make no sense whatsoever. That's what we are talking about here isn't it? I thought those workprint leaks were relatively frequent back in the day weren't they, and probably still are so far as I know.
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I remember the workprint too for ROTS it was posted here on MF back in the day. That's weird that the Mandarin audio doesn't have the changes that the U.S. version has.
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Right as Treadwell said, there was a timecode VCD which came out of the color lab. The leaker gave copies to a friend who gave it to another friend, etc the last one posted it onto I believe pot.uk, a member from there took it to Elite Torrents which being based in the US got the hammer from FBI/ICE. They all served some jail time. I'll know more in a few months after my latest FOIA request comes back.

If there's anything else you'd like to know, post it in the thread DP posted:

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Fat Bastard wrote: That's weird that the Mandarin audio doesn't have the changes that the U.S. version has.

Many movie releases do not bother making a Chinese version as they won't sell. Would make sense that this audio came from the 2004 dvd, but i'm not sure they even got that release.
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why do you care so much as to issue FOIA requests?


the real story here is the BluRays leaking without the copyright protection. That's what you get when you use cheap manufacturers in China instead of letting good ol' Americans do the work, GEORGE!
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I'm not sure digital media has made anything "easier to leak". If a film is going to be leaked, it is going to be leaked, whatever that process entails. From my experience, if you want to see a movie before it hits the theatres, if you look hard enough, you will probably find it, and it has been this way for a long time.

Dodgy VHS copies were replaced with dodgy VCDs, which were replaced with dodgy DVDs... I think the only impact advances in technology have made on all of this is that, now, pretty much everyone has the internet speed, the facilities, and the technical knowhow to cut out the middleman and simply download and burn (if they even need/want to "burn" anything these days) a movie for themselves in a matter of minutes.

Like I said, I'm not sure any of that has had so much of an impact on leaks happeneing in the first place. But, refering back the the thread %20 and DP refered to, regarding the ROTS VCD, someone raised a point there that was extremely pertinent then, and even moreso now.

If prosecuters are going to chase anyone, it should be the people who download this shit and make multiple hard copies, print sleeves and go out selling them on street corners. I'm willing to bet 99% of the people here who download a movie eventually end up either A) going to watch it at the cinema; B) purchasing it on DVD Blu-Ray or C) wishing they hadn't downloaded it and deleting it from their hard drive and wishing it was never there in the first place.

Really, the issue is that these people should not ever be prosecuted. But that is not really a discussion for this thread.

Regarding the ROTS leak - I don't think it was anything that out of the ordinary back then. I think any kind of leak of a major release was commonplace then, and still is so far as I can see - although someone may correct me on that, it's just how it seems to me...
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Treadwell wrote:
But that is not really a discussion for this thread.


I hope no one minds but it is now :heavymetal:

There are two ROTS leaks: The Timecode Workprint and the Internal Rip. The TimeCode Workprint was released the night before ROTS premeire. The Internal Rip was released two weeks later. The Internal Rip had awesome quality.


MF THREAD LINKS:

INTERNAL RIP

• Revenge of the Sith INTERNAL DVDRip Xvid
• ROTS Internal DVDRip Chat & Tech Support Thread


TIMECODE WORKPRINT

• Revenge Of The Sith WorkPrint Discussion
• Download SITH Fast & Free: An Idiot's Guide To Newsgroups
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II hope no one minds but it is now :heavymetal:


Haha. You edited the thread(s) quicker than I could even edit my post. :)
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bearvomit wrote:
why do you care so much as to issue FOIA requests?

the real story here is the BluRays leaking without the copyright protection. That's what you get when you use cheap manufacturers in China instead of letting good ol' Americans do the work, GEORGE!


The blurays did not leak without copy protection. Its called the copy protection was circumvented in the leak. Big difference. The ISO's will still have Cinavia. :roll:
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Its called the copy protection was circumvented in the leak. Big difference. The ISO's will still have Cinavia.


sorry I'm not a tech head. what's the difference then? you're saying the copy protection has already been hacked? this was suppose to be impossible.
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sorry I'm not a tech head. what's the difference then? you're saying the copy protection has already been hacked? this was suppose to be impossible.


New BD protection is cracked shortly or before the disc are even out officially most of the time. Cinavia is mostly bypassed already. Hence why rips are still coming out. If you use a HTPC you don't have to worry about any of this stuff.
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Yes, was supposed to be impossible. It was what, two years ago now that the crack was figured out? Still no idea how it works, other than you need a combination string of letters and numbers unique to each movie, right?

As for the workprint ... that takes me back! That was the worst temptation - my son had JUST been born before the movie came out (like a couple of days) so there was no way I'd be seeing it for a few weeks at least. I downloaded it, started to watch, and then quickly turned it off just as the pan-down finished. Waited two more weeks to see it without peeking either :)
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The blurays did not leak without copy protection. Its called the copy protection was circumvented in the leak. Big difference. The ISO's will still have Cinavia. :roll:


Well, leaking before getting cinavia is a word from the scene. They indeed mentioned that these are not ripped from the discs.
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Here's details from the European version: (As this version has more audio options, that explains why the other discs are smaller, video is same on all releases most likely.)

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DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     EMPIRE_STRIKES_BACK
Disc Size:      43.114.001.814 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD–Java:        Yes


PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00800.MPLS
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Size:                   0 bytes
Total Bitrate:          0,00 Mbps

Angle 1 Length:         0:02:26 (h:m:s) / 2:07:21 (h:m:s)
Angle 1 Size:           0 bytes / 0 bytes
Angle 1 Total Bitrate:  0,00 Mbps / 0,00 Mbps

Angle 2 Length:         0:02:26 (h:m:s) / 2:07:21 (h:m:s)
Angle 2 Size:           0 bytes / 0 bytes
Angle 2 Total Bitrate:  0,00 Mbps / 0,00 Mbps

All Angles Length:      2:12:14 (h:m:s)
All Angles Size:        0 bytes
All Angles Bitrate:     0,00 Mbps


VIDEO:

MPEG–4 AVC Video        0 kbps              1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
MPEG–4 AVC Video (1)    0 (0) kbps          1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
MPEG–4 AVC Video (2)    0 (0) kbps          1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1


AUDIO:

DTS–ES Audio                    English         768 kbps        6.1–ES / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24–bit
DTS–HD Master Audio             German          0 kbps          5.1 / 48 kHz / 24–bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24–bit)
DTS Audio                       Spanish         768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24–bit
Dolby Digital Audio             Hungarian       448 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Polish          448 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps


SUBTITLES:

Presentation Graphics           English         0,000 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         0,000 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         0,000 kbps                     
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Presentation Graphics           Chinese         0,000 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Chinese         0,000 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           German          0,000 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           German          0,000 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           German          0,000 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Greek           0,000 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Hebrew          0,000 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Hungarian       0,000 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Icelandic       0,000 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Polish          0,000 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      0,000 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         0,000 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         0,000 kbps                     
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