Here's my "list post" for TESB. Take from it what you will.

Still not fixed....

The Empire Strikes Back

01. Garbage mattes around Star Destroyer and probe droids still there.
02. Star Destroyer's movement still flickers while panning with the probe.
03. Wampa arm, while "fixed", is not done properly. A black "blotch" has been added to the bottom left corner of the screen.
04. SE 1997 attempts to fix Tauntaun effects still there.
05. SE 1997 Wampa still added, sound is still invasive and does not "blend" the new footage in.
06. Lightsaber retracting sound is still there as Luke leaves Wampa cave. His saber is clearly still activated.
07. Shield doors still begin to close behind Chewbacca, then are open, then are closing again.
08. Han still says "shelter UP" from a different take than "shelter BUILT."
09. Still no shadow from Rogue 2 Snowspeeder as Han waves to the pilot.
10. Garbage mattes still in Imperial Fleet during "The Imperial March."
11. Garbage mattes still prevalent as Imperial Fleet approaches Hoth, especially the TIE's.
12. Piett's image still shows outside of Vader's monitor screen.
13. Transparent Snowspeeder cockpits still there.
14. Shadow is under Wedge's Speeder and tow cable when Janson makes the shot, but then disappears.
15. Shield generator explosion still looks very fake.
16. Luke watching the Millennium Falcon depart is still mis-timed.
17. Red text on Luke's screen in the X-Wing is still mis-aligned with the monitor.
18. Garbage mattes still prevalent throughout the entire asteroid field sequence.
19. TIE Fighter collision and explosion on the asteroid are still very fake.
20. Millennium Falcon engines lose blue hue during asteroid sequence.
21. Aboard the Falcon in the "cave", a piece still falls off of C-3PO's arm when he says "Sir, sir!"
22. In the next scene when the asteroid collides with the Star Destroyer's tower, the tower still just faintly disappears behind a transparent explosion.
23. The lightsaber blades are NOT consistently fixed for the Bespin duel. That's right. They change from shot to shot.
24. The stage hand giving Luke his saber hilt on the top of the carbon freezing chamber can still be seen.
25. In the same scene, when Luke jumps down, the impact sound of him landing is still too late.


Changes noticed:

01. Flames added to probe droid "crater."
02. Most of the blue tint on Hoth is gone. I said MOST.
03. Wampa arm is fixed, but not properly (See number 03 above).
04. When Obi-Wan appears to Luke, he can be seen better than before.
05. Snowspeeders look better against white snow than blue!
06. Garbage matte appears to be gone when the Rebel Transport and escort X-Wings leave Hoth.
07. Hamill's "The first transport is away" is still there.
08. SE 1997 Luke goes up the grappling hook under the Imperial Walker.
09. R2-D2's black panels in space are blue.
10. C-3PO still says "There's nowhere to go" after saying "Oh this is suicide."
11. On Dagobah, Luke still tells R2 "You were lucky to get out of there" instead of "You're lucky you don't taste very good."
12. When Vader contacts the Emperor, it is still the altered 2004 version.
13. In the cave on Dagobah, the lightsaber blades are brilliantly colored red and blue and bright with white cores.
14. Boba Fett's voice is still the 2004 "Kiwi" accent from Temuera Morrison.
15. When Yoda raises the X-Wing, the model shot is still the 2004 version with an attempted shadow under the vehicle.
16. Inside the Falcon cockpit while approaching Cloud City is no longer zoomed in.
17. All Cloud City 1997 and 2004 changes are still there, and still look out of place.
18. Shadows still removed from Han's shirt as he goes into carbon freeze.
19. Vader's "Alert my Star Destroyer...." crap is still there, unchanged.
20. The Imperial Shuttle leaving Bespin is still there, and the sunlight can still be seen through it.
21. The "double" top hatch on the Falcon is still there.
22. The alternate take of Vader's arrival on the second Death Star in ROTJ is still used as his Star Destroyer.

No to #s 1, 2 and 4. In #3 what you're seeing is the corner of the film frame. Since Star Wars 2011 exists solely in digital form, I'm not sure why that wasn't comped over anyway.

Another change in A New Hope is Beru's line "Tell Uncle if he gets a translator..." which is now "Tell your uncle if he gets a translator..." Much of the dialogue sounds cleaner, so I do believe that Matt Wood spent some time on this. He just made some mistakes... or "corrections."

The color of the escape pod lid, which has not been changed in the Imperial patrol shot:

Here is my list for ROTJ. I didn't say I was perfect or that I didn't miss anything people. These are first impressions upon viewing the MKV's.

Still not fixed....

Return of the Jedi

01. Imperial Shuttle flickers as it leaves the Star Destroyer.
02. Garbage mattes around Imperial Shuttle and TIE Fighters still visible.
03. Reversed shots of Boba Fett still not fixed.
04. Boba Fett's rockets are still hand-animated and fake.
05. There is still no post on the Sail Barge to support Luke and Leia's rope swing.
06. Red text on Luke's screen in the X-Wing is still mis-aligned with the monitor.
07. When the Emperor arrives at the Death Star, the TIE Fighters are plagued with garbage mattes.
08. Garbage mattes on the Rebel Fleet.
09. Rebel hangar matte painting still looks fake and is mis-matched.
10. Horrible Millennium Falcon matte painting still behind Lando and Han.
11. As Shuttle Tyderium approaches Endor, the Endor matte painting shows through the Shuttle, and the Imperial ships as well.
12. When Han says "I told you it'll work", the Endor matte painting can be seen through the Shuttle's instrument panels.
13. Speeder Bike chase still has it's fake moments, and garbage mattes are more visible in high definition.
14. The horrible matte error that occurs when Luke says "I'll take these two" and hits the brakes is still there.
15. There are still bits of black windows in the throne room where there should be a moving starfield.
16. Ewok village matte problems still not fixed.
17. When Vader's Shuttle lands on Endor and he exits, his helmet still goes through the Shuttle's nose.
18. On the Endor platform when Luke is brought to Vader, the on-set model of the AT-AT, which is way too small, is still seen.
19. Garbage mattes still seen around Death Star and Rebel Fleet approaching Endor. A-Wing engines are no longer golden, but white. Falcon engines still white.
20. When Home One takes evasive action, the Endor matte painting can still be seen through the area around Admiral Ackbar's window and the Death Star.
21. In HD, the TIE's "coming from nowhere" are painfully obvious.
22. Endor space battle still plagued with the usual transparent explosions, mattes, etc.
23. The Rebel troop behind Nien Nunb aboard the Falcon is still shown laughing at the deaths of hundreds.
24. The shadow of Vader's stunt blade is still seen.
25. Garbage mattes really visible in HD inside the Death Star around Rebel craft and TIE's.



Changes noticed:

01. Static shot of droids approaching Jabba's palace door is now a wide pan with a huge door.
02. "Jedi Rocks" is still there and unchanged.
03. The Binary sunset still shows the suns setting.
04. Han's carbonite "thaw" has been replaced with CGI.
05. After Luke "Force chokes" the Gamorrean Guards, a prequel Dug walks across the floor where the residents are sleeping. It looks VERY fake, like it was "last minute."
06. The fake shadows and artificial darkness are still present in the Rancor sequence.
07. The plastic looking herd of Banthas is still there.
08. The 1997 SE fake looking beak, tongue, and tentacles are still present on the Sarlacc.
09. Luke's lightsaber blade is HUGE.
10. The Falcon and Luke's X-Wing look good as they depart Tatooine. No transparency.
11. No blue engine hue from the Falcon.
12. Luke's X-Wing engines are red with a white core.
13. When Obi-Wan appears to Luke on Dagobah in spirit form, his aura is white.
14. Rebel briefing graphics unchanged, but the reds are darker.
15. The Emperor's throne room is now a dull blue color. It is almost white now compared to the 2004 DVD blue.
16. The greenery of Endor's forest looks vibrant and greener than ever, but actually in a good way.
17. Wicket's blinking eyes.
18. The fine hair of the Chewbacca costume can really be seen in HD.
19. The first Wokling's eyes blink.
20. The colors are really off in the throne room.
21. The Emperor's "face slugs" are no longer visible.
22. The shield generator energy arcs can no longer be seen through Ben Burtt, and the stuntman in the next shot can still plainly be seen.
23. When R2-D2 malfunctions from the blaster shot, the sparks look like purple Force lightning instead of blue-white electrical colors.
24. The only time the lightsaber blades look decent is when they are crossed in front of the Emperor's face. The rest of the time, the colors and brightness fluctuate like the 2004 DVD.
25. The color settings of this file make the Emperor's Force lightning look like it's from a VHS copy. There's no sharpness to it, like a filter is over it.
25. Vader's "NO's" have been added. The first sounds like it has been sloppily laid on top of the mix, the second is from ROTS.
26. Vader's unmasking is STILL Sebastian Shaw. Don't believe the idiots that say it's Hayden Christensen. At least, not on THIS MKV it isn't.
27. 1997 SE and 2004 version revisions, "Weesa free!", and Hayden Christensen still at the end.

Like I said, I just relayed some first impressions that I believe I saw. It's not something for the fucking Wookieepedia or some shit. I didn't ask anything that requires a "yes" or "no." Matter of fact, I didn't ask anything. It's not the be-all end-all list FFS.

Fixed.

So true!! Kissfaq or which one?

Asshole. I tried to make those lists in a way that, if someone wanted to know if certain things added to the original films were still there, further changed, etc., then they could find out. I am well aware of the changes and when they occured you jerkoff.

Obviously my notes were a waste of time and excuse the fuck outta me.

I like the idea of this change. In the past, it was like "oh shit, R2 got blowed up!" Then the next time we see him, he doesn't have a scratch, and is whistling and chirping like nothing happened.

14. Boba Fett's voice is still the 2004 "Kiwi" accent from Temuera Morrison.

Ugh. It sounds so awful...

And Hello everyone, I actually used to have an account (boba_fett_protector or something of the sort) back for the Episode III release but I can't seem to access it anymore so I created a new account.

My thoughts exactly. Irrelevant and misleading remarks like "the fake looking (...)", "the plastic looking (...)" etc are not necessary.

Well I appreciate your lists! Thank you!

So it sounds like the "lightsaber" fixes in ANH and ROTJ are just specific shots? And only same shots the marketing material is promoting?



If they're going to half-ass the job like that, why bother? I'd be less offended with "Naw dawg we fixed the lightsabers with the 2004 releases!" than this "Oh yeah, we fixed them(only the specific shots people post to prove we screwed up) with this release!"

This whole mess makes me wanna see the PT on blu-ray more than the OT

And it makes me want to see all 6 movies in chronological order to see how it works.

yeah ok, that to

Hey, This is the first time I write here but I have been lurking on this forum for about 10 years.

I felt the need to respond to all this now that things have calmed down a little. The reason is this...I, as an older fan that grew up with the first releases, am having problems seeing the reason to get so upset over
Vaders 2x "nooo" in RotJ.

The original version of that scene, was always a little character breaking for Vader. Vader was from the beginning a character that would react vocaly and physically when he felt anger/frusteration. Just look at ANH. This character trait was of course emphasized in the PT but it was always there.

So now Lucas makes the change where Vader, after standing there in silent conflict (as he still does for a while), reacts in an outburst of emotion. This to me seems like Lucas has given us character consistancy. And I will happily take that over my old love for the original version.

I just wanted to offer that up since I have not seen it been talked about from this point of view. Now...If they haven't actually done the colour corrections they promised they have done....ARG! I don't like being lied to.

Well, it was always kind of a sneak attack, right?

Does the emperor just not hear him?

That's part of what makes it so unnatural.

I mainly hate how it covers up the music. It was the music and performance that made it such a powerful scene. Now the crescendo is covered up by NOOOOOOOO. It perfectly reflected the INNER conflict that Luke kept talking about. You knew exactly what was going on in Vader's head.

It's no different than adding the scream to Luke's fall in Empire. It's just more heroic as a silent sacrifice.

It is needed for character consistancy. Though I understand where you are coming from.

I just don't get the anger. There are legitimate reasons why that addition has a possitive effect on the series, so why are people so angry instead of just saying "I still would not have added it so I dissagree with Lucas." Why start calling it shit and get all worked up?

It is simply a creative decision, that has merit, that you don't happen to agree with. (Just like I don't agree on the change to Obi-Wans Krayt Dragon yell. I have yet to hear a good reason for that change.)

It is not needed for character consistency. You are wrong.

No, your OPINION is that it was not needed. But his old reaction was not in line with his reactions in the rest of the series. That has nothing to do with my or your opinion. It is, from a writers standpoint, inconsistent. We are just used to it. And I get why ...I love the original version.



I see your point. So it is Vaders character consistency against the crescendo and Lucas decided to go with the former. I don't have a problem with that (might be the writer in me), because the music can still be heard.

Thanks for the answer Verboten.

Well, by that logic, picking up Palpatine and dumping him down the reactor shaft is, in itself, pretty "inconsistent" for Vaderkin to do in the first place. If we are saying that writing a good, well-rounded character for a movie is all about duplicating (quite literally in this case) the exact same reaction to various different moments of anguish, then we may as well give up.

I think you'll find most people's disapproval of this addition is based on the fact that it just sounds shit. Then, if we have to break it down into what is "consistent" for Vader - haven't we just spent the best part of the movie establishing that Luke's entire motivation is the conflict within Vader?

It is "consistent" with all the other "what is going on inside that helmet?" moments (on the bridge of the Executor at the end fo TESB and earlier in the same movie after Luke has surrendered on Endor) if it is an internal struggle that manifests itself with sudden direct action on Vader's part. Being consistent doesn't just mean having Vader screaming "Nooooooooooooooooooo!" at key moments.

Besides which, doesn't the classic prequel-basher observation come into play here? Why should we even be trying to go back and make ROTJ Vader consistent with prequel Vader when it would have been better for everyone involved if the prequels had been made to be consistent with the OT in the first place? Yeah, that old chestnut.

I'm convinced that Lucas has too much momentum to stop now. He's already changed the sounds coming out of mouths that are hidden behind helmets. Now he's started on the eyes. You wait, it is only a matter of time before he is confident enough to start putting new words into the mouths of our unmasked lead chartcters and fashioning CGI lip movements to match.

(Yeah, that last bit was me overreacting )

I hope sombody does a roll of edits of "key" Vader moments with clumsy "Noooooo!" pasted into it.

ANH:
Officer: "The Death Star plans are not in the main computer."
Vader: "Nooooo! -transmissions you intercepted? What have you done with those plans?""

ESB:
R2 fixes the Falcon's hyperdrive and Vader is left on the bridge of the Executor.
"Nooooo!!"

ROTJ:
Vader: "You have constructed anot-Noooooo!- skills are complete. Indeed you are powerful as the Emperor has foreseen"

words cannot describe how utterly awful that krayt dragon sound is. wtf were they thinking?


Oh and Vader's "noooos" ... I still think they sound like shit and are 100% pointless.


NOW, bring on the pt info/leaks so a second wave of complaints can begin.

For some reason, Lucas has never wanted to "fix" the lightsaber on the Millennium Falcon. It's always been a kind of minty color or plain white and just kind of weird. He must like it that way.

The new changes all seem pointless to me. The worst offender is definitely Vader in that pivotal moment. How lame. I did laugh, though. The emotion of the scene, his actions and the score told us how Mr. Vader felt before.

Absolutely right. They are pointless. What is irritating is people defending these changes with a kind of "oh, it's just a couple of seconds of dialogue from Vader... it's just a Dug onscreen for a couple of seconds etc etc..." attitude.

No. It's not just that. It never will be "just that" because it will always be the indignity of Jedi Rocks, of Han standing of Jabba's tail "comedy" moments, of Ewoks' gay pan-pipe celebrations, of Jawas falling from Rontos ... and countless other digital abominations - PLUS these new fuck-ups.

It's never going to be "just a little change" - it is something that is being extrapolated upon with each new release of these movies, it seems ... I mean, honestly, it's like saying: what's that guy's problem - he only got a little slap to the face? Yeah, after a kick in the balls, a punch to the jaw and a big hard kick in the shin.

Of course the changes are pointless ... as are the objections to the changes. Either accept the changes and buy the BRs or don't. Sure, feel free to express objections to the changes (the changes *are* pointless) ... but at this point, we all should realize that emotionally investing in the latest Star Wars release is dubious at best.

... as is pointing out the objections are pointless ... as is me pointing out that fact too. But hell, I've got to do something on my week off work.

I decided to pick-up a used copy of the 2006 OUT DVD release that has the theatrical versions on the bonus discs. (Best Buy tin set).

Don't know why I never got around to this before, but the events of this week & apparently the ever-growing scarcity of this set has pushed me into it. And now that I think about it, don't believe I've seen the unaltered originals in widescreen for over 17 years or so. Weird.

Question: Am I right to assume that these versions are directly ripped from the 1993 "Definitive Collection" laser discs?

As is pointing out the pointlessness of pointing out the pointlessness of objecting to the pointless changes.

We can stop whenever you want.

But yeah, my point is ... it's all pointless ... so why bother making any points about pointlessness? Either accept the pointlessness (which I do, wholeheartedly and with great amusement) or don't. To do otherwise is, well, pointless. Anyone get my point?

...Good point.

Interview with Phil Tippett about changes.

"They're shit."

Found this in an article on MSN...

"People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society.

In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.

Attention should be paid to this question of our soul, and not simply to accounting procedures. Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself."

That was George Lucas' testimony in 1988 explaining his opposition to colorizing black-and-white films. 1988 Lucas would really hate 2011 Lucas, apparently.

I already posted a link to the MSN article, but thanks anyway.

It hit me today: George Lucas is geekdom's Al Davis.

See, back in the day the Raiders were the gold standard for football excellence. Their owner could do no wrong and seemed to hit home run after home run with both business and player decisions, creating a powerhouse of a sports franchise. Much like Al Davis, George Lucas is credited (along with Spielberg) for ushering in a golden era of movies with his crowd-pleasing blockbusters.

Eventually, Al Davis got old, senile and seemingly insane; making dubious draft picks, hiring terrible coaches and becoming solely responsible for burying his team into the competitive abyss. Fans clench to "the good old days" but even "the greatness of the Raiders" is becoming so distant a memory that one can hardly remember that Al Davis was even competent once upon a time.

They're a laughing stock and while the diehard fans show up to every game (decked out in the most insane gear of all NFL teams) hoping for a return to glory, in their heart of hears they know the truth: the Raiders will never be good as long as Al Davis is alive. He's lost it. He makes the most ludicrous, dumbest decisions that it almost feels like he's trying to sabotage himself and systematically destroy his legacy.

Sound familiar?

George Lucas has reached Al Davis territory. We will not get a quality SW set - for fans, by reasonable and talented people - until George is dead. It's very sad, but it's the unfortunate and obvious truth.

I don't support what lucas is doing to his own films in any way. However, your quotes from lucas' agrument are regarding art where the copyright is not held by the artist. He is saying one should not go in to somebody elses completed work and change it. He is not arguing that all black and while films should not be colorized. He said nobody should have the right to change someone elses art without their consent. Lucas' intention was to argue that the only person that should authorize a change in a piece of art is the one who made it and that no one else should have the right to change that art for profit or otherwise.

And I actually agree with him completly. Though this part of his speech is most interesting:

These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tomorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with "fresher faces," or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor's lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new "original" negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires.


Though again he is talking as if the person who made the film or piece of art is not the copyright holder. Though as IGN said, we can't help but wonder what the young, idealistic Lucas who spoke before congress would have thought of the changes his older self is making now.

I'm hoping the CGI enhanced Ewoks means Lucas will be enhancing the Ewok movies. We need those in 1080p with blinking eyes, and maybe he could animate the Halloween masks of those monsters in the second one. Also, a CGI replacement for Wilford Brimley in his stick fight with the king.

We do, George Lucas is quoted a lot. SaveStarWars.com has a page on this: http://savestarwars.com/doasisay.html The relevant quote being from Cinefex Issue 65 (1996)



So a few years later when Lucasfilm told the world: http://originaltrilogy.com/Lucasfilm_PR_response.cfm


In my eyes, this means "Hey public, if you want these movies preserved, it's your job now." We'll see what happens when the public does just that.

On the Congressional hearing, one of the pieces I think everyone is overlooking is George and friends went to Congress to get Moral Rights inserted into US copyright law. Moral Rights is a European notion that allows creators to suppress derivative works. (I don't think it's invoked often)

So if George and friends had won and Congress inserted Moral Rights into US copyright, George could have stopped Spaceballs from ever being seen. This colorization issue, in my point of view, was a smoke screen.

Wrong. Moral rights have nothing to do with parodies - they're best recognized as a creator's right for his work's integrity to be kept. I.e. I am an artist and I make a bunch of statues of Canadian Geese to be placed at a famous shopping mall. If a bunch of people start to dress up those statues during the holidays, they have violated my moral rights (real case).

We have moral rights in Canada and you often make moral rights claims along with the rest of a copyright claim as a matter of procedure (especially the ones I do).

Moral rights would not have stopped Spaceballs from being made because Spaceballs is a parody, which is protected under fair use (in the US). In Canada (and most of the EU) we don't have a fair use doctrine but we get away with it anyway due to exceptions under the doctrine of fair dealing (different than fair use but it basically has a catch all that says "if it's against public policy to not allow creation of this work, then it'll be allowed" - i.e. movie parodies).

The only thing George could stop with a moral rights claim is someone else fucking with his films; he cannot stop parodies from being made.

But could we make the Eaton center (been a few years since I've lived in TO, I seem to remember it's not anymore, right?) geese scream "NNNNNNNNNNNOooooooooo!!!!! HONKHONKHONKHONKHONKHONKHONK!!!!!" Whenever tourist pass by? That'd be awesum.

Now it's just called "Toronto Eaton Centre"

Shit, I forgot - actually came here to give props to User897 for getting behind the scenes pic of the day at AICN. Nice shots!

I didn't use 'parody' I said 'derivative works'. Parody as an example of Fair Use was still being investigated by the US courts at the time of the release of Spaceballs, 1987. (one of the major Parody/Fair Use cases was 2 Live Crew's 'Pretty Woman' case which was settled in 1994. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell_v ... Music,_Inc.) Yes, as you said LFL couldn't stop Mel Brooks from making Spaceballs, but showing it could have been stopped or significantly impeded.

Going against Brooks' case was that he agreed not to sell merchandise, prosecution would have used that as admission of breach of moral rights. Now is this a stretch, possibly, but these ideas were in flux at the time. And I used 'derivative work' because Spaceballs if Brooks lost (in this hypothetical) would have been labeled just that and not allowed to be shown. Parody would not have been discussed, as there was no case yet establishing it's authority.


Fan Films?

Hello all. Adam here, from starwarsfan.org. Carl & I ran that site from 1997-2005, and started Jedinet prior to that. I have a lot of fond memories from SWFO, but in many ways, it became a burden as opposed to a labor of love. (For many reasons that I shant go into here) I hope some folks remember the site and have good memories as well.

Anyway, I pretty much stepped away from Star Wars in most ways around 2006. Severe burn out had set in. For a number of reasons, I'm climbing back into the saddle, so to speak. Good to be here.

About the whole blu-ray clusterfuck, I don't want to rehash what all of you guys have already stated, but there are a few things I feel compelled to say:

1. I'm not surprised by any of this nonsense. It's been going on for years, and it won't stop with this release.

2. I am, however, very deeply disappointed in this blu-ray release of the saga, for all the reasons that have been mentioned heretofore. I had hoped for much more.

3. 1st Third of the "Changes" Problem - Many changes have been made, and they range from the totally unnecessary to the absolutely unforgivable.

4. 2nd Third of the "Changes" Problem - Many long-awaited and necessary changes have not been made, sadly. (What makes this crime particularly heinous is the apparent "false advertising" issue revolving around color-correction, etc. This level of offense is new, even for Lucasfilm. It's downright dreadful.)

5. Final 3rd of the "Changes" Problem - Due to shoddy scripting, poor directing, and the "I don't care" attitude of the creator, there are many ultra-significant structural and plot-related problems, (largely created and/or exasorbated by the creation of the Prequels), which CAN NEVER realistically be fixed. (New cgi work from ILM cannot fix things like Leia having memories of her "real mother". Luke actually spent more time with Mom while she was alive than Leia did!)

6. My pre-order has been cancelled. I may ultimately buy this set, but I'm sure as hell not going to pay opening-day price on Amazon, sight unseen, so to speak. I want to experience the actual discs in someone else's house, at someone else's expense before I make any decisions.

7. I sense a somewhat new phenomenon amongst the fan base this time around. There's been anger for years now, but this is the first time I can remember thousands of people getting beyond the anger, and just plain ridiculing and laughing at Lucas. It's become pathetic.

Ah folks, it's not gonna end here. A new layer of shite will slathered onto this fecal lasagna with the 3d fiasco. It'll all happen again, so just get ready. By now, no one should be surprised by any of this nonsense.

- Adam

Just a warning to people who can't see through all the crappy alterations and additions. Don't let Sebulba's rendezvous with the six-breasted fattie in Jabba's palace, Artoo and the Jawa eyes in the rocks obscured by more rocks or even Vader stupidly repeating "No" before throwing the Emperor down the elevator shaft prevent you from getting these on Blu-ray.

Once you see your old friends in HD, regardless of the fucked-up colors and all this CGI looking like pure shit alongside the old effects despite being updated with every release since 1997, I'm sure you'll flip. I'm telling you. Just seeing Tarkin's boney, wrinkled sunken face in HD television broadcasts nearly made me piss myself. I'm sure they'll look awesome!

Thanks. Just so we're clear, I had nothing to do with the pics, I just found the post and passed it on.


Amen brother.

...and, you're joking, right? Please tell me yes. After days of anger, my sarcasm detector is broken.

That article is full of misleading and false information. And that's made obvious on the title alone.

And all these years I thought I was the only one...

...and one more thing.

That full-saga cover art? It looks as though I poured a pint of whiskey into my 4-yr old and set him loose with a box of jumbo crayons.

Utter rubbish. (It is, however, ironically illustrative of the overall quality of the set itself.)

Cancelling that pre-order was the most pleasurable & liberating feeling I've had in a very long time...

Yes I remember both starwarsfan.org and early JediNet