I actually don't think they touched them at all in the colour department. The difference is so minuscule that this can be accounted for by a rip taken from a TV transmission. Use the colour picker to check the exact same point on both sides and you will see it is too much of a small difference to be from any colour correction.

I'm pretty convinced now that when they have been talking about re-colourtiming the films for the blu-rays they were never talking about the OT. Shots taken from the prequels have shown that the colouring is drastically different to that of the DVDs or TV broadcasts. TPM had had a complete restoration and the red tint that plagued the DVD has been removed. And then there is Kamino in AOTC, which has had it's colour timing altered throughout.



And about doing anything Star Wars related outside of the Revisited edits, well it's highly unlikely. I've lost a lot of love i once had for Star Wars with all this blu-ray business. I think i will now just concentrate on finishing those and just close the book on Star Wars in my life.

Absolutely. There's plenty of noticeable grain that hints at the film's inception. It hasn't all been digitally scrubbed.... yet.

Also of note in A New Hope, Tarkin's dialogue is MUCH cleaner, notably "Another target? A military target? / Then name the system."

The Death Star explosion's blue noise has been desaturated almost completely.

Yes. Tarkin's dialogue is clearer, but have you noticed that you can no longer hear the 2x "stand by" just before the Death Star Blows up? It's buried so deep in the mix its really hard to make out. If you didn't know it should be there i doubt if you would even hear it

Something else i noticed about the audio. The sound effects for part of the detention cell shoot out swapped channels in the 2004 versions. Now i decided to check the Blu-Ray audio and the same mistakes are there. Just check the section right after the Stormtroopers start knocking on the door when 3P0 is on the comlink right up until Leia blasts the hole in the wall. Now this was a mistake only found in the 2004 version and was correct in all the old mixes.

You can hear it best if you can mute all channels apart from front left & right. even though the laser blasts are quite fast to keep a track of which direction they are, just keep an eye out for when Han shoots. You hear two clear blasts coming from the left channels when they should be coming out of the right. In this section all the effects are swapped. Now did they really start this mix again from scratch or did they just go and fix the rear channels and dialogue?

Unfortunately, that is true. Matt Wood claims to spend hours listening to the original film track and doesn't notice this along with Vader's panicked breathing?

Just flipped through the 480 of Jedi. Now, I don't have the DVD handy to compare, but I think there's been some decent colour correction done to it. Lightsabers are still wonky shot to shot, and there's some questionable shots (the comp on the added Dug is really weak), but for the most part grey is grey (the opening looks particularly good actually), and fleshtones are healthy looking. I do like the new carbonite thawing effect.

Finally got around to grabbing a version myself and watching it, just for giggles.

Nope, the Fett flip hasn't been corrected. And EV-9D9's mouth still sticks - you would have thought, while they were dishing out Ewok irises, that may have been on the list too. And this might be just me - but Bib Fortuna's eyes seem blood red now, didn't they used to be orange-yellow? Maybe I'm mis-remembering.

Forget what I said - I just popped in the HDTV rip of Jedi and colour looks about the same on Jedi. I think Bib's eyes have always been red, my three year old runs out of the room becuase he doesn't want to see the scary man with the red eyes.

Totally agree. I mean, I don't really get my nuts in a knot over these changes like some do, but hell, wouldn't it be at least kinda "interesting" if he came out and described the why and wherefore of some of these additions and changes?

Having said that, I like the new Jabba's door establishing shot, the new defrosting Han effect (I always hated the old version), and having a Dug in Jabba's palace is fine. But R2 on the rocks makes no sense, Vader's "No!" is gay, and none of these additions were as needed as much as fixing those damn lightsaber jump-cuts I keep going on about.

That's just it though - they've done those things, just not a damn thing more in terms of corrections. Can't fault them there, they've done what they said they did.

It's unbelievable that they only literally seemed to change the specific frames they released mock ups for. Can someone please tell me how that isn't false advertising?

It's appalling.

Hmm, I seem to remember them looking more like this...



... but I suppose they did look pretty red on the 2004 version too, having checked back, so it's probably just a result of the general colour issues rather than a definite change. Just that they lept out at me as beiing really vivid red this time. Pay it no mind... it's just me...

TIE fighter garbage mattes were "reviewed on a case-by-case basis." Nowhere does it say they were corrected!

Jedi has the worst skin hues. At any point there are yellow, red and purple blotches on the actors' faces. It's a bit unsettling because it doesn't look natural at all.

Hah - that's funny, because I was just watching Solo pilot Tydirium past the Star Destroyer and thinking to myself how he looked so red, steam may be about to jet out of his ears at any moment, cartoon style...

Cool, thanks Duke.

So why are people saying it's NOT fixed? Looks blue (or blue-ish) to me, certainly not still green.

Hi! I usually do not post much in the forum but I am always reading the discussions here. This release, if confirmed, will be very disappointing to me because of all the problems already mentioned in this topic.

However, I noticed a problem that I did not see anyone comment about and it is really bothering me the most: there are a lot of scenes with some kind of wobble in the image. It seems like it is a problem with the telecine process (or maybe excessive digital processing). I did not notice this problem in the 2004 DVDs and I am not familiar with the HDTV broadcasts to know if they have this issue as well. Did anyone else notice this problem?

Is this normal (I mean, already a known issue with previous releases) or is it just another problem in this Blu-ray edition? Thanks.

sample pics taken from 480p file

I just want to pop in my Harmy AVCHD's and pretend this never happened. I am so disheartened now that I have looked through the MKV's.

how fucking hard is it to make a lightsaber blue throughout the whole goddamn scene. its fucking blue for 2 goddamn movies. i seriously dont even want to buy this shit after seeing the sebulba pictures and more darth vader nooos.

i will buy it though

Okay, what? Why? Jeesus tapdancing Christ! How will the beard learn if you keeping giving him your money? We can see these are essentially the HDTV broadcasts with shit slapped on top of them. Save your money and watch those instead for free because there's nothing here worth a hundred bucks. Cancell your pre-order if you've made one, it actually feels really good.

i do want the deleted scenes though. i never even bought the sith dvd because i hated that movie so much. i dont know maybe you are right. i mean i do own 4 different versions of these movies including special edition laserdiscs and imported TPM laserdisc from japan.

I just did a side-by-side of the Artoo-peek-a-boo scene. It's just wrong. How the FUCK does Artoo get in and out of there? Not only are there rocks covering him on his right, but the new rocks on camera left are too low for Artoo to hunker down under. What I would have done if you wanted to show him hiding more, was maybe push the cave area back about three feet or so, and maybe have him peek around the right side, but the rocks are just dumb. Fucking dumb.

Maybe, MAYBE you can make an argument that the angle of the camera shows the front rock in the same horizontal plane as the new rocks, but it doesn't look that way. Also, the rock on the bottom left makes it look like there's no clear path there for him to wiggle/roll to.

And then it all disappears in the next shot anyway. Morons.

DoubleSith posted in the other thread:

• NYTIMES.com: On Wednesday - a press representative for Lucasfilm confirmed that this change will be included in the Blu-ray release, writing in an e-mail: “Yes — Darth says NO"

Another thing I would have liked to see fixed is the timer on the Death Star.

"Rebel base three minutes and closing".

Hmmmm

So, Lucas finally killed off Star Wars... sigh

Still getting the set for the deleted scenes but very depressed about all of this. Wow, i haven't posted on here in years... I've been busy lol

I have so many versions of these damn movies. I'm trying to do a roll-call without getting them all out again....

1992 VHS release. First ever widescreen VHS limited edition. Definitive Collection LaserDisc set. THX remastered VHS release. 1997 special edition VHS. 1997 special edition LaserDisc set. 2000 VHS edition renamed "Trilogy". 2000 VCD release from Malaysia. 2004 widescreen DVD set. 2006 re-release DVD set with "GOUT" bonus discs.

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Not to mention all the other little trinket releases, bonuses, mail-aways, and downloads overflowing my spools and backup hard drive. So, I count myself among those that consider themselves having "a lot invested" here.

"And this is how Star Wars dies. With thunderous Nooooo's"

and I use to have this growing up:

Hah, all my VHS versions are stored away (and laserdiscs, even though I have never even owned a player), but all my various DVD versions are on the shelf with all my other DVDs in the living room - so there's the official releases, several of the old laserdisc rips from back in the day before any of the official OT DVDs were released, loads of fanedits and extras/docs, including the entire run of Babyhum DVDs etc etc...

Anyway, what kind of puts this all into perspective, I guess, is a friend was round my house one day and they stood there studying all these DVDs on the shelf... and then asked "why have you got so many different DVDs of the same three films?" And I just couldn't answer.

I was actually too embarrassed to say: "Well, this one is how it was when it was first released on video, but it is really bad quality... this one is a bit better quality but some of the sound effects are different... and this is the proper one that you can buy in the shops, so it is a lot better quality, but it has a couple of slightly different things in it which I really don't like... and then this one..."

On another note - I hope this is the death of Star Wars in a way. With a bit of luck interest will wane to the extent that the price of carded vintage figures drops as people sell off their collections in droves and I can pick up all the ones I am missing.

Ain't gonna happen. The vintage figures are one of the few remaining things that represent Star Wars BEFORE it was fucked up. I hate what it has become, but I will never part with my complete set of vintage.

This in no way is the death of Star Wars. As the additions in the BR set are largely inconsequential, most general audience viewers won’t know or care about the changes. I doubt the incontinent quality of the effects will register either. (Do I also need to mention the mainly solid ratings for The Clone Wars or the potential popularity of the Dark Times show?)

On a positive note: cheers to DP for once again having his site be the early source for a SW DVD release.

Yeah, I'm only kidding. It's a shame that fanbases are always perceived as being polarised when it comes to shit like this, in the sense that you have to be completely pro something or completely against it.

I still love SW as much as I ever did. And I don't actually dislike Lucas in any way. I just don't like the alterations made to the films over the past 15 years. Simple as that really.

I also got the 2000VCD release. The Original Trilogy VCD release was due to Asia "having moved on from the VHS format".

Fans were pretty pissed that Lucas wouldn't release the Original Trilogy on DVD until the Prequels were over - yet had to anyway over piracy - while Asia got VCD and we got a Phantom Menace DVD.

Yeah I don't dislike Lucas either and I still consider myself a huge Star Wars fan.. the fact that I'm still spending time with these movies thirtysomething years later is a testament to how much they touched my life at a pivotal age. So kudos to George Lucas for making the movies and for putting something out there that has lasted this long, for good or for ill.

At the same time though, I'd like to take Lucas out for a beer and say "Seriously dude what the fuck where you thinking?"

What's great now is that the whole Han Shoots First meme is nowhere near as bad and has been totally eclipsed by the the Vader "Noooooooo."

It doesn't seem like a completely crappy release.. it seems like some things that didn't need to be changed were changed, and some things that needed to be changed were not. When one has pretty much the best and brightest at their disposal to make any changes, that's not lazy... that's just bad direction and if nothing else I think GL has made some bad creative decisions over the past 15 years too.

Like I said in my previous post, if you look at RotJ, you can pretty much see where this was all headed even then.

Having said that I'll still be there to pony up for my box set on Sep 16.

DP, I remember getting my bootleg VCD of the Phantom Menace back in the day too.

INDEED.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3RQzsxSQQ0&hd=1

Long time lurker, first time poster..

I'm with most in that i'm pissed they didn't really do anything that they said they were gonna do and added stupid stuff like the nooo and the cgi rock in front r2. They should of fixed alot of stuff.

The jabba's palace pan is ok, i actually kinda like it.

Now i'm anxious to see the prequel changes because surprizingly i do actually like the prequels. I get a lot of shit for it from friends of mine..lol.

Any case leakings with list of deleted scene names?

how are those changes... most of them say "still there"

and 3 on both is incorrect, the frame error was there on the new and old version-

They didn't just change the electrical feedback when Artoo get shot outside the bunker - they've also added extra CGI gizmos popping out of him (no leg thrusters though, hmmm), more CGI plumes of smoke and even CGI reflections on the two blue appendages on his front...

That's another to add to the don't mind list. Thanks for the pics TW.

Yeah, looks like R2 gets a shock to the system, rather than literally exploding, with sparks and flames flying out, then suddenly being all healed up.

ISOS are out. Gonna be awhile before there in someones hands tho

Sweet, thanks for the heads up. Now where are the prequels damnit ha

I suspect by Saturday or Sunday we will see the prequels show up. I most anxious for Phantom Menace. The HDTV rip always looked awful to me. Very flat.

I actually never watched hdtv rip cuz i was holding out for blu-ray. So i'm in a unique position to experience it in hd for the first time which will be cool. Im getting it on the 16th but if i get isos before than im cool with that as the set is mainly for the deleted scenes and stuff prolly get the hdtv rips too though after the additional changes.

It was tough holdin out..im ready for the blu-rays already!

Wow, this thread be dead and stinkin'. Just like what George has done I suppose. Truly a sad time to be a fan.

How familiar are people with Harmy's Despecialized Edition?

It's actually pretty damn good and is in 720p.

I know for me it's just exhaustion. Day 1 was outrage, disbelief, giddy anticipation of the next inane thing to be revealed. Day two was resignation, fatigue, and now it's just exhaustion. What's left to say at this point? The release is not what was promised, some people will still buy it wishing it was more than it is, others won't and wish it'd given them enough reason to.

After several pages with hundreds of posts - all there is left is the Prequels and Specials Features to drop.

This thread also spun off new threads:

• BLU-RAY BOX 2011 • Return Of The Sith • ALTERATION SPECULATION
• STAR WARS 1977-1983 BluRayRips • AUDIO & ORIGIN
• STAR WARS 1977-1983 BluRayRips • ALTERATIONS & CHANGES


Requesting "changes" 1080p .png screenshots

Star Wars

- Artoo On Rocks
- Extra Moisture Evaporator Additions


Empire Strikes Back

- Wampa Hand
- Wampa Arm (lower left hand corner black triangle)


Return Of The Jedi

- Jabba's Palace Door "camera pan"
- Sebulba
- Ewok Eyes
- Carbonite Thawing (several from the sequence)
- Artoo w/ Revenge Of The Sith Attachments
- Noooo Shot

A New Hope (HDTV, BLURAY)


Escape pod lid.



R2 hidden.



One lightsaber shot was color corrected.


TIE garbage mattes removed.



Misaligned shot extension.


"Humdinger" frame.


Death Star explosion color corrected.

Sorry, but I will NEVER accept that shit. The "no's" are NOT needed. The scene did not need ANYTHING added, unlike the hundreds of effects shots that still need it!





Yep. Those AVCHD's are the best it's going to get for folks that don't want the bullshit. They are very well done and look great on my setup.

This is my view also.