AICN has pics of the playmates toys from earlier, but with the packaging now. it's being marketed to kids so this things is PG-13. I'm pretty sure there's a rule saying no rated R movie can be marketed to children through toys. McFarlane toys gets around this because it's marketed to collectors

a T-800 is now a "T-R.I.P" huh? read it's packaging description poor James Cameron must be stewing right now.







this one is interesting because it is supposedly at the correct scale. the T-600 is roughly 9-10 feet tall!

The T-R.I.P is the prototype of the T-800. It stands for Resistance Infiltrator Prototype.

Also, there were toys for T2. I remember seeing toys for Aliens, too.

i know all of that, but I believe the MPAA instituted an internal rule since then about marketing to children. can you think of an R rated movie in the past 5 years that had toys? T-3 was McFarlane toys.



"Fox will be airing an “extended look” at Terminator Salvation on Wednesday during Bones. /Film reader Samir J points out that the promo that aired during 24 advertising the extended preview also features the PG-13 MPAA logo."

This going back a decade now but a company called N2 Toys produced a line of Matrix figures for a bit. McFarlane picked up the license shortly thereafter for the sequels.

Watchmen

yeah, but they aren't MARKETED to kids. the terminator toys above are. they will be swinging in a Wal-Mart and Target toy section within a few months. Have you seen Watchmen in those stores? Probably not. those things above are one step above a Happy Meal toy. You guys don't get what I'm saying I guess. Those toys you are describing are for sheep. They're meant to be displayed on some dudes computer desk or bookshelf.

You make a good point about, well, nothing. :smug:

Well that's a weak argument. Marketing merely dictates how a product is sold, it can't mask the product or it's function and purpose without ostensibly diluting the product itself. Just because a collector's market exists for a given product does not negate said product's original intent and purpose.

Toys are and have always meant to be consumed by children and in this case, if it has multiple points of articulation, blister card packaging and is priced to move - it must be a duck.

Just because a guy in his mid-twenties decides to buy an action figure and display it as a piece of fine art on his coffee table doesn't diminish the fact that at the end of the day, he's just playing with dolls.

I understand... and I think its lame... PG-13?

30 pics up at Latino Review some new some old. In other news, McG talked about the ending recently at LatinoReview.com

[spoil][align=left]“The ending is indeed elliptical,” explained McG. “And it challenges the audience. It’s not a happy little bow of an ending at all. The ending is tough and requires reflection, and in some degrees it bifurcates the audience. You walk back to the car and one person thinks it means this, and the other person thinks it means that.”

An open ending is, of course, the age-old answer to setting up a sequel, but this tidbit also seems to hint that the former rumored Terminator: Salvation ending bears little resemblance to what we'll see on-screen this summer, as that seemed to create a very definitive end to the series. But let's be honest, the question of whether or not there are more Terminators in the future really has less to do with scripts and more to do with box office numbers.

“I would never presume there would be another picture - that is up to the audience,” McG said. “But if the audience jumps up and likes it and wants another one, Christian and I have been talking about it and we’ll see what happens.”[/align][/spoil]


bifurcate-
\ˈbī-(ˌ)fər-ˌkāt, \
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verb
Inflected Form(s):
bi·fur·cat·ed; bi·fur·cat·ing

transitive verb : to cause to divide into two branches or parts

Bifurcate = it means we're gonna get either a great ending or a shitty one.

Bifurcate? confuse the audience? Can anyone say Matrix Reloaded?

Wow, i didn't think that McG knew words with that many syllables.

Scharzenegger talked about his still possible cameo, nothing set in stone yet it appears. oh and it IS PG-13.

[spoil][align=left]Right now, they're looking at the technology and see if it is possible to create a technology where they can use my image in the film without me actually filming, because I made it clear I don't have the time... and if they shoot outside the state, I would not participate... But I would be willing to be in the movie if they get the technology together. We have a great relationship with the people making the movie.. McG is the director, he's a terrific talented guy. I'm going to be at the premiere, I told him I want to be as supportive as possible.

I think that within the next week or so, we will see if they are technologically able to do that. It's terrific because they basically take technology out of Terminator 1 and use that walk of mine, and somehow bring it in... it's just a brief scene, where we see one of the leads run into a room and he sees the future terminators because it's kind of a prequel... then he gets thrown around, then he goes in another room and there's other terminators, so there's supposed to be all these new terminators. I think it's cool to continue on with the franchise, and in case I want to jump over again and get into the acting when we're through here.[/align][/spoil]

The first Terminator film to have a PG-13 rating - a fucking moronic thing to have happen for the show. Then again Live Free Or Die Hard was PG-13 - the theatrical release anyways.

Even with that film I prefer the unrated edition because it restores some swearing that was cut and even the words "Mother fucker!" at the end when John says, "How about, "Yipee Ki Yay, mother fucker!" In the theatrical release the words "mother fucker" was cut out and that irritated me.

Hopefully when this film hits DVD there will be an unrated version of it released just like Live Free Or Die Hard.

to me, it's not the violence that will be missed as much as the swearing. it's unrealistic. if it was real and there was this 9 foot tall machine coming after my ass, I'd be swearing like a mf'er. instead, we'll get a "Die, you son of a BLAM BLAM BLAM!"

Yeah, this really should be an R rated movie. I usually hate excessive violence for the sake of excessive violence, but Cameron almost always did violence really well.

Bearvomit is right, it'd be realistic. Saw or Hostel violence isn't.

But then again, you can get away with quite a bit with a PG-13 rating. We'll probably see a lot of guns and explosions, but not a lot of blood. Which kind of works since they're robots. I don't know if I'd buy the DVD just yet, but I HATE HATE HATE "unrated uncut extreme" editions of movies. Just gimme what i saw in theaters, shit.

no, that will be on the bonus "tirade commentary" on the hyper expanded BlueRay edition.

a little more info about Arnold's appearance. /film. So Arnold's IN!

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[align=left]A body-cast mold of Schwarzenegger, created when he first appeared as the muscle-ripped cyborg, provided the basis for a digital-effects version of his famous character. The figure appears in Terminator Salvation as a living, breathing actor.

Other comments in the Variety article suggest quite clearly that this CG creation has no lines to recite, so no voice over work would have been required:

Schwarzenegger viewed the resulting footage and gave his go-ahead just in time for McG to include the footage before the helmer completes his cut of the movie.[/align][/spoil]

It needs to be the scene where Skynet is sending him back through the TDE to kill Sarah Connor. If not, it's a pointless egg.

Just came from the Official Site. Pretty cool. Lots of downloads including two screensavers.

3 new tv spots at /film some great effects going on now

G4 just announced a Behind The Scenes Special on May 13th, with a special preview of the video game and an exclusive clip from the movie.

[flash width=495 height=325]http://www.youtube.com/v/Q45D7dABBs4[/flash]

Concept Art @ AICN

alright, here we go! I went to my local bookstore and saw the above art book as well as the movie companion AND the novelization.

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[align=left]The movie begins with Marcus on death row and there's a doctor there that is dying of cancer and pleads with Marcus to donate his body to science. This lady is Helena Carter's character, Dr. Serena Kogen. It fades out and we don't see the doctor again until towards the end.

Some quick points because I just skimmed over 3 books:

The resistance base is in a nuclear submarine. That's how they've been able to avoid detection and capture from the machines.

Kyle is kidnapped and held by the machines at Skynet, which is in the remains San Francisco. SkyNet is very clean inside, polished, sterile. Just like at silicon valley as they make the microchips. Connor needs Marcus to take him to Kyle, to save his future father.

Connor and Marcus infiltrate Skynet but get separated. Marcus is heavily damaged but awakes fully repaired with monitors all around him. Dr. Kogen appears on one of the monitors and explains that he is their greatest creation. She explains that he has done what all other machines haven't been able to do, and that is kill Connor by leading him into a trap in Skynet. On one monitor, Marcus watches Connor walk into the prisoner holding cell, looking for Kyle.

The Dr explains that Marcus has a cyberdyne computer chip implanted inside his brain which they've used to control him this whole time. He has been a puppet to lead Connor to them all along. Marcus refuses to believe that he is simply a machine, he WANTS to be human. So he reaches into the back of his skull and rips out the chip from his brain and crushes it in his hand. The Dr on the monitor tells him there will be no second chances and he grabs a chair and smashes the glass. We see this in the trailers, you can even see the blood running down his neck. He leaves to go help Connor.

Connor is in the holding cell and finds countless people there, waiting to be experimented on to make the perfect killing machines. He releases all of them but still doesn't have Kyle. He opens one last door and inside rises up Arnold. He slowly comes after Connor, but Connor finds a flame thrower and melts Arnold's face off. (you didn't think he would be in the movie long did you?) They fight back and forth and Marcus shows up and saves Connor from a punch.

Marcus fights with the Terminator but gets knocked out but this lets Connor get ready. Connor blasts this molten furnace thing and it pours all over the endoskeleton. He then shoots some cable and it quickly freezes him. So this causes his joints to lock up right as his hand touches Connor's cheek. Connor gets loose and circles the Terminator, taunting him. The Terminator can only look as Connor gets right in his face and says "Do it you son of a bitch" mocking him. He tells him that he should know all about human mannerisms if he's going to be a good infiltrator and asks him if he knows this one. He grabs a pipe and takes a baseball stance and then says, "batter up!" and knocks the head off the Terminator!

Connor wraps a bunch of C4 around some terminator power cells and they escape with Kyle, Marcus and the other prisoners in a helicopter. They then blow the place up and fly off. end of movie.


IMAGES:

Arnold on fire:



Marcus at the end with the monitors



Arnold artwork. he appears differently in the novel. He just stands up in a dark room and comes after Connor. No tank I believe



Arnold vs Connor fist fight



Arnold melted face artwork



Arnold full figure



So the "Salvation" part refers to both Connor and Marcus. Connor by saving his future by rescuing his father Kyle and the other resistance members. Marcus by being a Terminator that saves Connor and chooses to be human.
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By the looks of the artwork this is going to be one badass movie.

I meant to post earlier thanks a lot for the pics b.

MF is the movie spoiler site!

Bacta Chamber

I'm trying not to read it. You're not making it easy for me, butt-head.

well here's some more for you. this is more the beginning and middle of the movie. taken from thedvdforums.com who read the same book I did.

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Spoiler:

Film starts in present day, on death row. Marcus signs his body over to Bonham Carter's character for scientific research and then is executed.

Cuts to 2018. Storyboards show a LONG single shot of a body falling into frame, having all the skin burnt from it to reveal a T600 Endo underneath. It gets back up again to reveal a huge assault against the Radar array seen in the trailers, but the T600 gets knocked down again and is promptly landed on by a helicopter skid, and is shot in the head by John Connor.

Surviving A10 fighters led by a lass named Blair Williams blow a hole in the ground by the dishes.

Under the radar base is a research facility where Skynet is experimenting on humans, butchering them in an attempt to turn them into something else... Connor's entire team is wiped out in a scrap with a T1, and he barely makes it out alive as the facility is severely damaged. Connor is picked up by the Resistance.
From the remains of the facility emerges Marcus, unaware of where he is or what has happened to the world.

Marcus treks across the desert to the remains of LA while Connor goes to meet Resistance command - who incidently are roaming about beneath the waves in a surviving US Navy Nuclear sub. Connor has to jump from a chopper into the raging sea to be picked up, as the subs havent surfaced since before Judgment Day to avoid detection, and are running on sticking plaster and glue.

From then the book focuses purely on the new Skynet hardware, so we can assume the film will follow relatively the same. We're introduced to it all through Marcus' eyes, as he arrives in LA and is nearly picked off by the first 'human' figure he sees - a T600. He is saved by Kyle Reese, who utters "Come with me if you want to live."
There is a prolonged fight and flight from the T600, which culminates in the remains of a car being dropped on it [first trailer]
From then on its Marcus trying to get out of LA with Kyle and his mute partner in crime Star, while encountering various skynet oddities. One scene has them camping out in the remains of Griffin Observatory.
Eventually Marcus gets an old jeep running and they flee the city, but are encountered by a flying Skynet patrol bot which scans them. Marcus takes it out with a perfectly thrown wrench, which unnerves him as his throw is almost TOO perfect.

They run out of gas and arrive at a petrol station, where they encounter nomadic survivors and the huge action sequence from the trailers with the gigantic Harvester and Mototerminators occurs. From the art its a proper free for all, with the truck the 3 humans escape in taken out by a Hunter Killer on a bridge, and the Harvester catching up with them.
It grabs Kyle and Star in dumps them in an arriving transporter, like a super heavy HK, but ignores Marcus. Somehow or other, the giant bot and Marcus end up atop the transporter, but before they can come to blows Blair Williams shows up with her A10 flight and takes out the Harvester, blowing it and Marcus into the river below the bridge. An HK takes out Blair's A10 and she ejects, as Marcus escapes the clutches of the Harvester.

Marcus finds Blair dangling from a wrecked power pylon, and though injured they both set off to a Resistance base in the desert. Sadly, when they get there, Marcus stands on a landmine. *whoopsie*
What follows is everything you see int he second trailer, and the revelation of Marcus' metal skeleton. What the art of book stresses is he literally DOES have a metal skeleton, but also a brain, full digestive system, heart and bloodflow, lungs, and muscle system. He is more Wolverine than General Grevious, his 'naked' Terminator design much thinner than any of the other types as his human tissue does all the heavy lifting.

Anyway, Connor is at the base, doesnt trust him, chains him up. Some how he escapes and is damaged, but sets off for Skynet's base of operations in San Fransisco. Connor and co set off in pursuit, but when they catch up with Marcus over a lake, they are attacked by water bourne snake like Terminators. Connor and Marcus beat them, and Connor holds Marcus at gunpoint.
For some reason, Connor lets Marcus go [revelation of going to rescue Kyle?]

The book starts to get spotty with plot here.

Connor fights a Mototerminator hand to hand, destroys its chip and then rides it off like a lowly motorcycle [sounds the worse bit of the film tbh]

Marcus makes it to San Fran and is rendered unconscious, ending up inside and fully repaired. The shot in the first trailer of Marcus throwing a computer through plate glass, with an figure suspended behind him in a discus like rig, takes place here. [It is NOT a time travel device. Theres no time travel in this film.]

In the same facility is the Terminator factory. Connor arrives and comes face to face with his 'worse nightmare' for the film's final sequence - a fully Arnied up T800, fresh off the line. And thats it, other than the fact Connor doesnt die and Marcus doesnt get dressed with his skin.

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* I think this ending kinda sucks. the big reveal is just Arnold. That's it. no cliffhanger, no swapping bodies. Everyone rides out in victory basically.

The doctor is just the AI and says it takes the shape of someone appealing for Marcus to talk to. So apparently the real doctor is dead. The Submarine does get destroyed so the resistance is now without a headquarters, but Skynet is blown to fuck too so they're on equal ground.

We'll see how it pans out in the film. This was just the novelization. They REALLY need to get into time travel in the next one.
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Without going into details, the only things that have me worried are the mototransformers & the ending. Let's see how they turn out.

Thanks again, bv.

I read your review the other night and cant even remember how it ends... is that good or bad?

McFag talks T-5 plot filmjournal



um... no. I want the future war with lasers and splosions and millions of T-101's running everywhere. I want Connor invading a Skynet research lab and seeing the time machine and watching Arnold go back in time. I want Reese to follow played by Michael Biehn and I want that to be the end of part 5. dammit!

uhhhh please no.

Please tell me it was April 1st when McG said that.

and then Batman shows up

here's a new 4 minute extended trailer released today.

[flash width=560 height=340]http://www.youtube.com/v/D-lGTVH_HCs[/flash]

again thank you for keepin us updated b.

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The news and clips are definitely appreciated. I haven't posted in the thread before but have been following it.

I think everything is looking pretty good. I'm not too keen on the various possible endings that have been thrown around, especially that last one from AICN. But I'm looking forward to seeing this.

Thanks for the post. That extended trailer is very cool.

On the other hand, I want to be excited about this film but so much of it is coming off as forced. It's like I'm seeing everything I wanted the machines to do when I first saw T2, but now it's already been done by every other franchise. Sci-fi films have become so blended together these days, I expect to see desaturated colors, Adobe Flash display screens, and big robots doing cool tricks. I almost want to see a period piece during the 80s or early 90s just so it has that feel. After all, almost 20 years later T2 is still the coolest blow-em-up action flick that packs a pretty hardcore story. I haven't read any of the spoilers in this thread (the last thing I saw was that there might be some boobage, but with a PG-13 rating I don't have my hopes up ) so I hope I can be a little impressed with a story that will complement the action.

Bear - you seem pretty up on the Terminators - have you read the prequel novel by Timothy Zahn? I almost picked it up the other day.

no, I don't have the time for any novels. I love all the movies, that's about it. alright, AICN just posted another review that spoils the big ending. this seems legit and has nothing to do with the above. it's stupid, I think. He actually says the beginning and ending of the film are horrible, and the middle is just popcorn action.

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Hey guys. I wrote in a month ago about Bruno and figured I’d contribute again with an early Terminator review. Once again, I’ll do a “the good, the bad, and the rest” format since it made it easy for me to get my thoughts down last time. If you want my overall thoughts, just skip to the end.

The Good:

Sam Worthington. He was really cool. He’s getting promoted for this, what, barely at all? He’s pretty much the lead here, but he’s not as big of a name as Bale so he doesn’t get nearly as much press. But he’s good. I liked watching his performance. He pulls off the Han Solo “tough guy with a heart” act really well. It was fun.

The kid that played Kyle Reese. Not nearly as irritating as Eddie Furlong, if at all. He did a good job with this.

Some of the action scenes. There are some HUGE explosions that Michael Bay would be proud of.

Some good scare and thrill moments with the terminators.

MINOR SPOILER --- Arnold. Fit perfectly, and not gratuitous at all. Really well done, and brought a smile to my face. --- END SPOILER

FX were right on for the most part. They rarely looked cheesy or fake, and they were believable and extraordinary at the same time.

The Terminators themselves. Badass. Especially the big T-600 models.

Bryce Dallas Howard. She was in this very little, but I liked watching her. She had a very pleasant demeanor and a glow to her that somehow fit even in the chaos. She should have had more screen time.

The Bad:

This is definitely a PG-13 movie. More accurately, though, this was not a movie made for adults. Terminators 1 and 2 were “adult” movies. This had plenty of scenes in it that could have been found in Fast and Furious or a movie of that ilk. Here’s an example.

MINOR SPOILER

Beautiful (but deadly) woman is all alone by a campfire in the middle of the desert after a full day’s journey. Beautiful woman is still gorgeous. Five hillbillies show up and make dirty aggressive jokes about how there “ain’t no man around to pertect ya.” Beautiful woman retorts with Hollywood version of “woman power,” a joke about breaking hillybilly’s face and then proceeding to take down two of them quickly before being knocked down and then saved by lead.

END MINOR SPOILER

Would we have seen that in a James Cameron movie? Perhaps. Would it have been shot like a scene from “Gone in 60 Seconds?” Not a goddamn chance. Now don’t get me wrong. This doesn’t ruin the movie, and these moments are few. But it is clearly aimed at teens and young adults more.

Christian Bale. Ok, he’s not bad, but I feel he missed the mark here. I’m a Bale fan, and it just doesn’t feel like he knew quite what to do with this character. It’s a one note piece, for sure, but so was Sam Worthington’s character and he hit the right note. Bale just seems a bit off.

The first five minutes. TERRIBLE. I think everyone in my row agreed that the first segment was awful. Really awful. It’s just a set-up scene, but the dialogue and scenario are done really poorly in my opinion. MINOR SPOILER – “So that’s what death tastes like.” Who fucking wrote that? Christ. END SPOILER - Thankfully the trend doesn’t continue past the intro.

The last five minutes. Almost as silly as the first five minutes.

MAJOR SPOILER

We learn halfway through that Marcus (Sam Worthington’s character) is a hybrid terminator/human type thing, so he’s mostly machine but he has human organs. Well, John Connor is dying at the end of the film because he got all beat up and “his heart can’t take any more.” Whatever the fuck that means. So Marcus tells everyone that John can have HIS heart, because he wants to use this as his chance for redemption. Ok, I can buy that heart transplants are simple and effective a mere decade from now. But they’re in the fucking desert in a tent with no walls and it shows the two lying next to each other as we crossfade to the epilogue. Really? Are you fucking serious? A heart transplant in the middle of the open desert with a pregnant Bryce Dallas Howard supposedly doing the surgery? And this ends the movie? Right.

END SPOILER

Character development. There wasn’t much at all. Not much more to say about that.

The mute black kid. There’s no other way to put it. It (and I say “it” because I was certain it was a little girl but my friends kept saying it was a boy but really, what difference does it make) was a pointless character that screamed quite loudly, “Look! Hollywood has found the most minor of all minorities! It’s black, a child, AND has a speech impairment!” And of course, it never got hurt (even as all the rest of mankind got wiped out), it “sensed” danger before anyone else, and it ultimately and literally saved the day for all mankind. Way too gimmicky for my liking.

Transformers/Matrix. There were a few parts that seemed ripped straight out of Transformers. There were MANY parts that reminded me a lot of the last two Matrix movies. Try not to draw the same conclusions when they are - MINOR SPOILER – being attacked by the various machines (especially the water terminators that look a lot like the squidies) or making their way to the machine city. – END SPOILERS –

The rest:

The McG factor. This is the best McG film I have seen. An admission, though. It’s the only McG film I have ever seen. That said, I read a lot of the attacks on him and his credibility and “how can a guy named ‘McG’ do a Terminator movie justice” and all that bullshit and his retorts and so on, and I think this movie is pretty much the brighter side of exactly what a lot of people thought it would be. It’s big, it’s fun, it’s kinda goofy, but you can tell the guy’s trying to make it dark. It’s just that the gloss still shines through.

The Plot. It’s pretty simple hide and seek stuff the whole time. It is what it is.

Action. Can there be too much action? I want to say Terminator: Salvation speaks loudly about that, and what it’s saying is yes, there can. Some of the scenes are awesome and big, but some could have been dropped in favor of more character development, in which there is very little.

Overview:

I liked Terminator: Salvation as a popcorn movie. My expectations were mixed for this, so I think I was pretty levelheaded going in and not expecting too much or too little. There were plenty of cool scenes, a few lame scenes, and that really awful bookending of opening and closing shots. The middle chunk though is an enjoyable movie with some good thrills and fun sequences.

As a side note, I stumbled upon T2 on cable last night while I was falling asleep, and was caught up again quickly in the greatness of that story and I thought about how well it has held up over almost two decades. Today, I walked out of TS smiling for sure, but there wasn’t a single feeling in my body that Terminator: Salvation was anything more than a “just good enough sequel” to spend a few hours beating the early summer heat with.

I’ll give it a 6.5 out of 10. Once again, you can call me Clounshoo. [/align]

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Wow! so the above about Sarah Connor is bullshit. figured. kinda hoped it would be true just to turn things on their heads. Would've been better than what we're getting. It sounds like they were going full in with the ending they had planned until it got leaked back last year and totally fucked their game plan. They went ahead and did what they wanted without actually doing it all the way. (that'll make sense if you've been keeping up with the spoilers)

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At the roadshow, you said that fans would either love or hate the ending? Can you address that now that fans have seen the film?

That was at a time when there was a very dark ending. There was a great irony in the way this film shook down. There was this leak that Connor dies and they put Connor's face on top of the machine body of Marcus. Everybody went, "Booooooo, what's that?" That's half of it [the ending]. We had a jet-black ending. Connor dies, we're in a room with all the people we care about. You take Connor's likeness, you put it on the living machine of Marcus. He sits up, now looking like Christian Bale, takes a gun, kills Kate, kills Kyle, kills Star, kills everybody, eyes flare red, [snaps] the end.

Would you put it in the DVD?

I haven't decided... But, just take a deep breath. Imagine that's the ending. I would hope the oxygen would just go right out. You'd be like, "They can't do that. That's the biggest bummer I've ever seen in my life."

[Screenwriter Michael Ferris explained more about yet another not-so-dark scrapped ending at the press event.]

Ferris: There was an ending of intermediate darkness, in which ... the mechanical Marcus takes over as Connor and goes on to lead the resistance. It's essentially a secret to everybody, except the inner circle, that John Connor is now a robot, is now a Terminator. We're going for some irony there.

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Holy Shit! McG just did an interview and discussed endings they initially had but decided against! io9.com /mcg-spills-the-extra+dark-terminator-ending-you-wont-see/

WTF is wrong with these people! I don't like any of that. If you want to freak people out, end with a cliff hanger that makes it seem that john died. Turning him into a terminator is a simple writing tactic. Not much thought in that. I haven't read the spoilers a few posts back, but I'm less excited now than I was.

Well, I gave in and read the spoilers. Thanks, BV. You saved me ten bucks.

I still like everything I'm seeing of this one so far. Fake ending, rumor ending, blah etc fuck. I could give a rats ass (thanks for the info, though bear), it still looks great. Allthough the Sarah Connor rumor sounds a little Sarah Palin (stupid,fyi). And considering this is one of only a handful of movies coming out this summer that I am looking forward to seeing, nothing I've read so far has convinced me not to go. Yet.

Yeah, this is still a must-see for me. I've been waiting to see the battle between man and Skynet for a long time. Dark, apocalyptic landscape with terminators and hunter killers everywhere... throw in the terminator music ala http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXQTzJgU6qc and it's a done deal.

which of the spoilers are true, they all seem made up.

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[align=left]Arnold is CGI'd in for about 40 seconds. His face gets melted off with a flame thrower. Sarah Connor is not in it but her voice is. John Connor needs a new heart for some reason and Marcus sacrifices his to save him. Connor's wife does the surgery underneath a tent in the desert. They don't worry about matching blood types or sand getting in the wound apparently. The End.[/align]
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I read that, you think its real? If so WTF is McG thinking?

McG is a fagola. something we already knew going in. We should be happy that apparently all he fucked up WAS the ending and not the entire damn thing. Harry Knowles from AICN has seen it and says it's the worst Terminator ever! He's twittering about it here until the review embargo gets lifted Wednesday night. twitter

some highlights:

"it's more equatable to X3"
"I fucking hated that piece of shit"
"the writing team that wrote Terminator Salvation also wrote CATWOMAN I totally understand now."
"if you ever cared about what the John Connor Post Judgment Day story could have been - you'll HATE this. It is real bad."

Guess we'll find out how good it is Thursday when we download it.

McG and Bale are huge douchebags so this couldn't have happened to a better 1-2 punch. The guy's named is McG! Hiring him to helm the project cursed it from the onset.

I'll reserve judgment until I see it, but it looks like another beloved franchise is dead (if it wasn't already after T3).

In the trailer when Bale jumped out of the helicopter and shot at the crushed terminator underneath I figured they had no where to go with it.

IMO the Terminator movies are all pretty slim on concept so trying to stretch it out only reveals the weakness of the premise.

T1 was probably the most interesting. T2 was good but it was more a big action flick than anything else.

What was T1 then, a comedy? They're both action films - the former is directed a bit more like a horror film while the latter is much more sci-fi action. T2 is far and away the better film.