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Post Posted: March 17th 2009 11:59 am
 
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I think its a real shame this film is under performing (as far as the box office is concerned).

Now apart from the new ending it was really nice to see how faithfully this story was adapted to the screen, it was so close to the graphic novel that it should be applauded and deserves every success.

I however am not suprised that the film is not registering with general audiences.

I read the book, i enjoyed the book, and despite the changed ending it worked for me, because i knew from the very start that the Squid was removed....and despite the early disapointment i totally understand the film makers reasons.

The same goes for all the parts from the book they decided to skim over in order to cut down the films running time (although i look forward to the extended dvd release)

I think the problem this movie has, with reaching a general mass audience lies in how it is marketed.

I have several friends, female and male who say that they enjoy the superhero genre but have not read the graphic novel, and so i have asked them what they expected from this movie prior to seeing it.

Nearly all have said ' A darker version of X-men', or 'Like Batman/Dark Knight'

Now for those of us in the know, who appreciate Watchmen, we know hat those assumptions arent correct and dont really do the source material justice, as it primarily a character piece about the phyche's of 'normal' people who wear masks to fight crime, set against an alternate version of the the mid 1980's where the paranoia of a nuclear war with russia is still at the forefront of public awareness.


And so i cant help but think those who are so unaware of the overall story are going in EXPECTING something, yet getting something totally different.

This can affect peoples judgment of movie, it doesnt mean they dont like it, it doesnt mean they dont understand it, it just means they didnt get what they thought they were paying for, which can mean that they leave the theatre in an odd position, not really knowing what they thought of it.

And so word of mouth spreads, and so does negative press and before you know it you have a film that doesnt have an audience.

I also dont think its due to the R rating, 300 was an R, and it was off the success of that that Watchmen finally got greenlit with Zack Snyder at the helm.
I dont think R rated movies should have the stigma that studios associate with them, just because they limit the audience (and the money) that a film can potentially bring in.

Just because a snotty 10-13 year old shouldnt be allowed to view a film based on some graphic content doesnt mean its a film that is so extreme that it TOTALLY alienates an audience)

Afterall the 'Saw' franchise has made a shiny penny for its studio despite being nothing more than an exercise in 'creativly' killing people on screen.

Not to mention those films require NO intelligence on the part of the viewer, are horribly acted, and have little to no substance to the story with character motivations which border on pathetic (so you can tell i hate the Saw movies :-) )

But the point is, those films have always brought in an audience, which is why they continue to make them, and the R rating has done nothing to hinder their success.


And that is what is so sad about Watchmen....

It may have cost a lot to produce, and so greater things are EXPECTED of it, but in truth, as a movie it did what it set out to do...Adapt a great graphic novel faithfully to the screen...

and it did so without compromising its gritty, dark nature to cater for a larger audience to get more asses on theatre seats, make more money and overall sell people short of the overall experience just to fit with pop culture expectations.


Dont get me wrong I dont actually think that Watchmen is one of the greatest literary works of our time (i wouldnt even know HOW to classify ANY literary work), but i really enjoyed the story, and the characters, and i REALLY enjoyed the film, with how much it got right, and even accepted the new ending, despite it flaws in logic....it still worked in context of the movie.

I think had the studio been as brave in marketing the movie as they were in allowing Zack Snyder to go out and make it, the film would stand a better chance, as the general public would feel less confused at what they just saw, next to what they THOUGHT they were going to see.

I'v read the negative reviews for this film, and most of which i just dont understand, because i really felt that if you enjoyed the novel then there is next to no way you could not enjoy the movie, its THAT close (until the end), and even then if you can just ACCEPT that the end is not as you were expecting, its actually ok.

Making the film overall a great piece of work, which deserves more than what its likely to recieve, and would be a total injustice if other future adaptions of works similar are dismissed because of this film, which COULD be considered a failure solely based on its box office takings, rather that the faithful adaption of its content which it represents so well on screen.


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I heard Darth changed the ending to the review to make it more realistic. I'm waiting for the writers cut of the review this summer.


Post Posted: March 17th 2009 4:16 pm
 
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I'm not sure. I still feel disconnected as the audience. Perhaps the writer's cut will clear things up.


Post Posted: March 17th 2009 5:48 pm
 
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so you guys read all that tbh (to be honest) it comes off to me as :spray:


Post Posted: March 17th 2009 6:45 pm
 
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It reads like the same 4 paragraphs re-worded over and over again.


Post Posted: March 17th 2009 8:55 pm
 
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well do you think the :quote: review :quote: should it be merged back into the movie spoiler forum and I should be grateful that people join here to post movie reviews or should it stay here because it's basically :spray:


Post Posted: March 17th 2009 10:21 pm
 
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That emoticon is the shit. :nerd:


After reading the thought provoking review above, I want to remove my own review from the OG thread. Apparently, and it has just dawned on me so give me a moment here, but I am a knuckle-dragging low foreheaded neanderthal qusi man-beast of low to nominal intelligence. Because what I had assumed was me just not enjoying it, was actually that I just didn't "get" it, not that it was just "not good". I was "expecting something" that I just "didn't get". Like a non shitty movie methinks.


Post Posted: March 17th 2009 11:35 pm
 
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Now, the MF Watchmen Review thread isn't the most intellectual one out there, focusing mainly on :breasts: and :filez: with a embedded cam to boot. I like to think we are chill here and one doesn't need the best grammar or spelling. One can even say fuck, shit, nigger, or even fagola, for example. There is also the issue of using way too emoticons in our posts and we are approaching a time, as pointed about by The_Somnambulist, that we will be posting only with emoticons. There are actually, literally dozens more emoticons coming by the way. :wow::fistbump::wowowow:


My issue with the post is it's random punctuation, capitalization, and ellipses (.....) use and metric fuckton length. I did a google search on smpearce and discovered they aren't a re-reg and seems to be a nice chap on other sites. The post could be edited and re-formatted, then re merged - though that would require effort.


Anyways :nerd: is a variation of :gb2tfn: 's [face_nerd] :schoolyou:


Post Posted: March 18th 2009 4:30 am
 
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Part of me says leave it here, if the dood's willing, they'll post in other forums.
Another part of me says drop it back in the thread and feed 'em to the wolves, see if they make it out.
The last part says be nice, drop it back and drop a hint that their post should be a bit more concise.

Decisions, decisions.


Post Posted: March 18th 2009 11:27 am
 
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This is my attempt at fixing the "smpearce22" review

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I think its a real shame this film is under performing (as far as the box office is concerned). Now apart from the new ending it was really nice to see how faithfully this story was adapted to the screen, it was so close to the graphic novel that it should be applauded and deserves every success. I however am not surprised that the film is not registering with general audiences.

I read the book and enjoyed the book despite the changed ending it worked for me. I knew from the very start that the squid was removed and despite the early disappointment totally understand the film makers reasons. The same goes for all the parts from the book they decided to skim over in order to cut down the films running time (although I look forward to the extended DVD release).

The problem this movie has with reaching a general mass audience lies in how it is marketed. Several friends of mine, female and male say that they enjoy the superhero genre but have not read the graphic novel, and so I have asked them what they expected from this movie prior to seeing it. Nearly all have said: "A darker version of X-men or liike Batman - The Dark Knight".

Now for those of us in the know, who appreciate Watchmen, we know that those assumptions aren't correct and don't really do the source material justice, as it primarily a character piece about the psyche of 'normal' people who wear masks to fight crime, set against an alternate version of the the mid 1980's where the paranoia of a nuclear war with Russia is still at the forefront of public awareness.

So I can't help but think those who are so unaware of the overall story are going in expecting something, yet getting something totally different. This can affect people's judgment of the movie. It doesn't mean they don't like it or doesn't mean they don't understand it. It just means they didn't get what they thought they were paying for. Which can mean that they leave the theatre in an odd position, not really knowing what they thought of it. The word of mouth spreads and does negative press and before you know it you have a film that doesn't have an audience.

I also don't think its due to the R-Rating. I don't think R-Rated movies should have the stigma that studios associate with them, just because they limit the audience (and the money) that a film can potentially bring in. Just because a snotty 10-13 year old shouldn't be allowed to view a film based on some graphic content doesn't mean its a film that is so extreme that it totally alienates an audience.

300 was an R and it was off the success of that that Watchmen finally got greenlit with Zack Snyder at the helm. After all the Saw franchise has made a shiny penny for its studio despite being nothing more than an exercise in 'creatively' killing people on screen. Not to mention those films require no intelligence on the part of the viewer, are horribly acted, and have little to no substance to the story with character motivations which border on pathetic. (You can tell I hate the Saw movies :cool: )

The point is those films have always brought in an audience, which is why they continue to make them, the R-Rating has done nothing to hinder their success and that is what is so sad about Watchmen. It may have cost a lot to produce, and so greater things are EXPECTED of it, but in truth, as a movie it did what it set out to do, adapt a great graphic novel faithfully to the screen. It did so without compromising its gritty, dark nature to cater for a larger audience to get more asses on theatre seats, make more money and overall sell people short of the overall experience just to fit with pop culture expectations.

Don't get me wrong I don't actually think that Watchmen is one of the greatest literary works of our time (I wouldn't even know how to classify any literary work) but i really enjoyed the story and the characters. I really enjoyed the film, with how much it got right, and even accepted the new ending, despite it flaws in logic it still worked in context of the movie.

I think had the studio been as brave in marketing the movie as they were in allowing Zack Snyder to go out and make it, the film would stand a better chance, as the general public would feel less confused at what they just saw, next to what they thought they were going to see. I've read the negative reviews for this film, and most of which I just don't understand. I really felt that if you enjoyed the novel then there is next to no way you could not enjoy the movie. It's that close (until the end) and even then. If you can just accept that the end is not as you were expecting, its actually ok.

Making the film overall a great piece of work. Which deserves more than what its likely to receive and would be a total injustice if other future adaptions of works similar are dismissed because of this film, which could be considered a failure solely based on its box office takings, rather that the faithful adaption of its content which it represents so well on screen.[/size]

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I'll be honest: I didn't read his review. Sorry Darth but I'm not reading the re-edit either. I might not even go see this movie and wait for the DVD. I like the thread that is going on here now so I say leave it in the Rez.


Post Posted: March 18th 2009 1:55 pm
 
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[s]how bout this I merge the re-edited version of smpearce's review in the Movie Spoiler forum and keep the original here[/s]. That way the re-edited wall of text can keep the wall of text benovite just posted company.

:comedyscience: update


Post Posted: March 18th 2009 5:56 pm
 
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Dear god that's a huge review. Harry Knowles didn't even write a review that huge.


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sorry but that is some major tl;dr going on right there


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