Guess these would be "other extras"...

1) When GG storms back to Utapau after losing the Hand, his landing and emergence from the shuttle, flanked by guards, and awaited by rows of battle droids is eerily similar to Vader landings from the OT.

2) How many Death Stars? Have counted at least 5 representations of the Death Star in Palp's office...1 in each of the side tables, 1 in the hologram, 1 (at least) engraved in the little counters or plates directly behind him (towards the entry).

3) Name of the Emperor's shuttle captain? Sounds like he says (paraphrased) "Tell Captain Car-dy to ready my shuttle". Could this be a reference to EU notable Talon Karrde? Would tie-in nicely to Mara Jade.

4) Was struck by the pose of Owen Lars at the end of the movie. Obviously this is a tie-in to ANH, but it also provides a different view of Owen's treatment of Luke in ANH. Rather than keeping Luke on the farm just to protect him, it is possible because of this scene, to see Owen blocking Luke's attempts to leave as vindictive. Essentially he would be ruining Luke's chances to leave/crushing his dreams, just as Luke's arrival ruined his own. A darker view, but startling, especially with repeated viewings of both films (back to back).

ah, i thought he said "commander cody"

No, it's Kagi.

...are you sure it wasn't Cody in Palpatine'd accented speak?

Cody was with Obi-Wan on Utapau, and he speaks to him during order 66, distinctly calling him Cody. Look in the screenplay, comic, novel, etc...it's Kagi he speaks of in the senate. How you can hear Cody in that scene is beyond me.

So who would underestimate him? The 3 Jedi he was killing? Mace? What would be the purpose of having Mace underestimate him unless he only did it very briefly at the beginning of the fight before he let loose and crushed him? Perhaps in the Mace duel he was just messing around because he knew Anakin was coming and needed the Mace setup to lure him to the dark side.

Either way, I don't think it really came across very well as far as them wanting to show him holding back...it just ended up looking like he was goofy. The only vindication for his earlier style came in the Yoda duel where he was, admittedly, an amazing swordsman...but the way they did it they seemed like 2 totally different styles as opposed to him "dropping the charade" and going all out.

I thought it was kinda funny to see Obi-Wan's ship dock in the belly of the Tantive IV.

Big fish swallows the small fish and is swallowed by an even bigger fish in Episode IV.

Regarding Palpatine's dueling style, which I did'nt much care for during his duel with Mace; a friend of mine recently pointed out something of interest. My friend noted that Palpatine had a tendancy towards thrusting with his lightsaber, using the tip of his saber blade far more often than the blade's length. My friend pointed out that he recalls Timothy Zahn describing Mara Jade's saber fighting style much the same way. Those of us who've followed Zahn's contributions to the EU know that Mara Jade was trained by Palpatine in the Jedi arts and known as 'The Emperor's Hand'.

While I enjoy the EU on its own merits (for the most part, some of it is utter doggrel), I don't for instant think that much, if any of it, is truly considered by Lucas and his people. I further suspect that it's highly likely that Nick Gillard does'nt have a clue as to who Timothy Zahn is, nor does he likely care. Yet, it's interesting that there is seemingly a coincidental parallel found between Zahn's work and Nick Gillard's choreography for the Mace/Palp duel in ROTS. I'm not sure where Zahn makes the reference, but my friend was pretty convinced that Zahn allludes to Palpatine instructing Mara Jade to utilize the tip of her saber, rather than the blade's length. Can anyone recall or confirm this?

I really didn't mind the facial expression he was making when fighting mace. In a way it showed how evil and how much he enjoyed killing mace. It didn't look silly to me at all. You just wanted him to look calm? When he in his true form what do you think he was like the whole time? Look at the battle with yoda. Tha fucker was smiling and laughing the whole time as if he enjoyed inflicking pain to yoda. Even in ROTJ he made wierd faces and laughs when talking to Luke, watching Vader and Luke fight, and frying Luke with lighting.

Yes. Behold, the face of evil!

There's always a bigger fish.

I agree with you, totally. Can't count the times I have heard people ask various Lucasfilm people EU questions and they have gone, "Uh...what?"

In the Nick Gillard session I was at, someone started a question with, "Since we all know about the seven forms of lightsaber combat..."

Nick laughed and said, "Well, YOU all know about that, but this is the first I've heard of it."

Actually, most technical EU material is derived from things done in the films or by the various film crew. That doesn´t mean they are themselves aware of what is done with all the information and where it ends up. Gillard did design various lightsabre-forms, but he never put them together systematically like the EU did.

And I think Palpatine´s style and behaviour is very entertaining. Was shocked and weirded out by it the first time, but I´ve come to enjoy it now. Wasn´t used to that side of Palps before.

im pretty sure he didn't keep that expression it just a quick frame from a scene. I also said he enjoyed flicking pain and his facial expression shows it.

I noted earlier that there is a KOTOR republic gunship in the background behind Obi-Wan in the first Jedi Council scene. I was wrong, the ship is seen behind Anakin going from left to right.

Couple of other cool parallel's I noticed on my third viewing last night. When Anakin is standing on the Mustafar platform after killing the seperatist leaders, it's very similar to Vader standing on the platform in ROTJ after talking to Luke on Endor and sending him to the emporer. Both are "moments of reflection" that could be seen as further turning points for Anakin to Vader in ROTS and Vader back to Anakin in ROTJ.

Another visual I saw is that while Anakin is standing on the platform on Mustafar, you see him looking through the clouds at the sun during a solar eclipse. When the sun is shown again behind Obi-Wan at the start of the duel, the eclipse is gone and Obi-Wan is standing in front of a full sun breaking through the clouds. Another light and dark reference.

After the duel Obi-Wan has a burn mark in his clothing from the lava on his right shoulder. The burn mark is the exact same place you see a patch sewn into Obi-Wan's clothing in ANH. Another good link to the OT. I guess when you meditate for 20 years you don't have much time to mend your clothes or make new ones. ... I also agree with someone who said in the DVD version ANH that the cry Obi-Wan makes to scare the Tusken Raiders is the same as the Boga's cry on Utapau.

One question that my wife and I couldn't figure out after watching the final duel was where do Anakin's legs and left arm fall after Obi-Wan cuts them off? Do they fall in the lava river? Or are they left on the bank to rot? I suppose Sidious isn't much for reattaching real limbs. I'll have to wait for the DVD to figure out where they are.

In the final scene with Vader, Sidious and Tarken on the bridge there is a lead in shot of the imperial officers on the bridge. The captain walks towards one on screen right who looks very much like a young Admiral Piett. You can only see him from the nose up above a terminal, but I swear it looks like him. The databank at sw.com doesn't show him being in ROTS, so I guess it's not him for now.

I'm pretty sure during the scenes on Mustafar in the control room, either when Anakin is slaying the Seperatists, or later when Obi-Wan and he are fighting, you can see on a display screen (up high), the unique pattern - some kind of chart - that you see in the Rebel control room in both ANH and ESB. This one:

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I think Anakin's legs rolled down the hill into the lava, but I'm not sure about the arm.

Couldn't reattach, since the would has been cauterized by the lightsabre.

thats the only way i ever looked at it. i didn't know anyone DIDN'T think thats what was going on.

was he holding back? yes. he knew anakin was coming. the guy could see intot he future! he was leading anakin into a trap. he set him up.

his what?! i thought the movie was rated PG-13?

Perhaps Obi-Wan is an alien after all and has a different physical.....orientation so to speak.

On the workprint version. Obiwan and Anakin enter the room where Palpatine is been held captive. Palpatine spins round on his chair. Check the time stamp bang on the moment his chair faces us and he makes his first appearance in ROTS. The time is 1:11:38. 1138 anyone??

Grasping at straws, strange fluke or intentional gaff??

Edit: Incidentally, the first jedi to cop it is bang on 2:11:38 just after Sidious does his funky jump across the room.

3:11:38 we see Vader join Sidious and Tarkin with the view of the death star.

All fluke I guess since there are so many meaningful scenes in the movie.

Bespin Sunset, those are some wicked strange coinkidinks m8!!! I'll definitely look out for them, as I don't doubt ya one bit. Seems that more than a few folks at Lucasfilm suffer from severe OCD. Ahhhhh....a Yoda lookin emoticon...must use promptly!!

OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! STAR WARS IS RUINED FOREVER.

please remove sand from vagina and quit fucking nitpicking. christ you people get on my nerves.

dj-anakin
Point: This is a continuity thread and the shots of the helmet were out of order as noted. And for the record the "NOOOOOOOOOOO!!" you quoted comes after the helmet is put on.
Counterpoint: But you're right it doesn't really matter to me or the majority of people who have seen the movie . The whole point of that scene is the birth of freaking Darth Vader!!! It's the culmination of 6 damn movies and I'm sure that's what GL&Company were going for here. Hell to the casual viewer (my wife & kids) they have no damn idea or care that it's out of order.

It sure is fun to nitpick, though...

well they did it on purpose so you really can't call it an error.

plus, it was all an act for mace.

In the Mace/Palps fight mentioned above, there's a frame where Palps has Mace's ass pretty early on, before the cut to Anakin arriving in the shuttle.

As the two fighters enter the adjoining room, you'll see Mace get caught with his arms open and far apart and Sidious' lightsaber right at his chest. This is why I think the scene is intentionally staged by Sidious. He could have had Mace beat, and the film obviously shows it. I'd supply a screenshot if my damned download was complete.

it wasn't such a quick scene that I didn't notice it the first time I saw it, in fact after the first time watching the only real issue I had with the film was Ian's difficulty with sword play. It was even discussed on the latest BTH ( well I think it was a BTH, it was one of those) on hyperspace that Ian didn't get the practice time that others got and how uncomfortable he was in those scenes. His goofy ass faces are just further evidence of that.

I thought at first it was an act for anakin, however, being that he just killed 3 jedi the act doesn't work any longer. He can't really pretend to be weak and need help with 3 of the best swordmen in the order laying there dead, I really think that the type of close combat he and mace are engaged in just leaves palps at the disadvantage. I also don't think when he is becoming disfigured that is for anakins benefit, he is really beaten and frustrated and unleashing all he has to kill mace, Just MHO though

Regarding the duel with Mace, as Lucas and McCallum and every other official source on Earth has said a thousand times, Mace legitametly disarms Palpatine, but when Anakin arrives, it's all a facade.

And as others have said, if Palpatine was truly meant to be the ultimate swordmaster, it was poorly translated on screen. In both fights.

exactly right mania, palps looks pretty damn scared when he is disarmed by mace and about to take a saber through his arse

Well, Mace is just going to arrest him at that point, and I suspect he's only looking worried for Anakin's benefit.

But did he legitametly lose the swordfight? Sure.

To get back on topic, I too noticed the misplaced saber in the Sidious VS Yoda duel (Yoda and Sidious locking blades, but when it cuts to the infamous shot of Sidious laughing, his sword is raised over his shoulder). At first I thought maybe he was holding his sword in the fashion he does right at the beggining of the Mace fight (hands over shoulder, sword aimed at opponent). But it doesn't appear to be the case.

Yep, I remember that moment, he could have killed him right then and there, but he kept the fight going. Loosing the sabre, unintentional or not, it ultimately doesn´t matter, he´s staging the event anyway.

BEING PALPATINE MUST BE SO COOL

Exactly.

Here is a better Shot of the Opening Star Destoryer

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/ ... Where2.bmp

Hahahah! Bitmap!

......until you get hurled down into the Death Star's Reactor Core

Off-topic double-posting is a bannable offense.

Done pickin' your teeth yet?!

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Sorry for the late reply. I just saw this today.

*ehem* Fuck you.

Just because I saw something & showed it to you doesn't mean that I was mad about it or felt that it ruined anything. But I saw it, and it is what this thread is about. Save your shit for someone who is actually complaining about it rather than wasting your lame insults on someone who was simply pointing something out.

I just saw it again, and I have to agree Sidious has the opportunity to stab Mace directly, Mace is caught with his arms open and Sidious holds back waiting for Anakin. During the fight, I do think Mace had Sid pressed against a wall or something, and Mace's face was swollen and pushing Sid back. He almost had 'em. I enjoy it more everytime I watch it.

For continuity errors, I do think they should fix the neck brace on Vader when his mask is being put on.

I think that's because Mace had just done a spinning slash right at Sidious' head. Just because he's pointing his saber at him doesn't mean he can take him easily.

Yeah, but I think even Mace looks down at Sidious' sabre pointing directly at his chest, it's real quick, but there is a oh shit look on Mace's face, and then the fight continues.

I'd say it's more of a pissed off look he has the whole fight rather than a oh shit look.

Slash

Saw it again today, Sidious gets kicked, then tumbles, THEN looses his sabre. It looked so fake when I focused on that part, I really can´t believe it wasn´t intentional on his part. That dude was fakin´ it.

Even if he does lose the saber fight legitmately, the whole thing is staged to seal Anakin's turn. So it really doesn't matter.

Which is why it's funny when people say Mace did better against Sidious than Yoda. Who was the one flying halfway across the city at the end of their respective fights?

It seems like most of the "humor" in ROTS, was done in the backgroud. (See Artoo's trip of the Battle Droid in the bridge of Grevious's ship.) It's scenes like this that make it more enjoyable to watch the film over and over. The forced humor is annoying the first time you see it, and it just drops more and more with each viewing.

Well, there are two things that I think would have made his 'fake loss' stand out more.

1. Palpatine sees through the window Anakin getting out of the speeder coming up towards the office, and then lets a small smile come over his face seeing that his plan is working.

2. After Windu flies out the window...yeah, after he flies out the window, Palpatine could say to Anakin, "I knew you wouldn't let him kill me, Anakin."


I liked Palpatine's sneering during the fight. It reminded me of Hannibal Lector, who is one of my favorite villains.

didn't anyone notice that, after killing Dooku, Anakin holds both (Dooku's and his) lightsabers. Then it cuts to his face and then back to the chancellor. Anakin then releases him with his left hand holding his ls in his right hand. we neither saw him nor heard him drop Dooku's saber.

that is really nitpicking alejnu.

When they're walking away from Dooku's body, Anakin bumps into one of his hands.