I'd vote for the archival edition rather than the 9-21-04 DVD versions for his scenes.

yeah any major re-working will be inserted at a later time. For now it seems only improvements on existing stuff is being worked on.

The way he words the new Ian/Emperor scene in ESB makes it sound like dialogue has been changed.




Hmmm....

Many thanks to Ktulu for putting together this comparison shot.

Urm, the HTF "insider" info is lifted straight from a JC thread...

http://boards.theforce.net/Classic_Trilogy/b10002/14958333/p7

Check the posts by "DarthToeJam." The "perfect" comment on the Monkey Emperor scene is in response to a question, not on the new scene.

He also claims this:



I remember reading about this a long time ago in AICN, and if IIRC all of the supposed changes to that print were debunked as bullshit by several other people who attended that screening. I'm thinking the rest of his posts are BS as well...

Nah, it's not like he's a proven liar or anything. I'm just taking it with a grain of salt. That digitalbits report on the redone ANH Jabba backs him up. I actually hope he's right about the fixes!

6 months and counting. We'll know soon enough exactly what was altered from the '97 SE.

Here's the original AICN reports. The second report denies the clouds over the suns thing and says the lighsaber fixes were exagerated. I don't know if DarthToeJam is "Darklighter" or not. Guess we'll have to wait and see!

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=16379

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Hey folks, Harry here... got this report in on the screening of STAR WARS SPECIAL EDITION that was part of that really cool festival we told you about. Well, not only did Lucasfilm not let them show the original, but technically, the print that was shown has been changed since we last saw it. The light saber thing sounds reasonable... but cg clouds in front of one of the binary sunsets... makes me nervous, I have loved that shot forever... sigh... whatever, maybe next time it screens he can put a flock of toucans flying out there.
Harry,

Today I attended that screening of Star Wars: Special Edition here in L.A. at the City of Angels Film Festival. As you mentioned on your site, this was the Special Edition print, not the original cut. Special Edition or not, it's always cool to see Star Wars on the big screen.

But there was something unusual about this screening.

This was not the Special Edition print that is on VHS. There were changes in this print - specifically, the lightsabers in the Obi/Vader duel were enhanced. This has been a nitpicky thing since the SEs were released: why didn't they fix the rotoscoping on the lightsabers? Well, in this print (which, strangely, was not a new looking print) the sabers WERE fixed. Obi-Wan's saber was brilliant blue and Vader's saber was bright red (not white) in every shot - even in the shot as the blast doors are closing. In the shot where Ben's saber is pointed at the camera (where it suddenly looks like a stick) it was correctly filled in and had a glorious blue glow. I wasn't imagining things because the guy next to me immediately whispered, "Did you see that?!"

There was one other minor change as well. In the first binary sunset shot as Luke is walking out of the homestead, the lower right sun had CG clouds passing in front of it. I came home and checked my VHS copy -- no clouds. It seems a few changes were slipped into this print since the initial release.

Perhaps this seems like minor stuff, but the lightsabers have bothered me for years. I'm happy to report they HAVE been fixed. Hopefully soon, everyone else will get a chance to see it on DVD.

If you use this, call me Darklighter.
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UPDATED! More Details About The STAR WARS: SE Screening In LA!! Was The Print Changed?!
Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...
Another update to a story from earlier in the week, this one regarding the supposed changes in the print that had been made when (take a deep breath) STAR WARS EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE THE SPECIAL EDITION showed in LA last Sunday. As it happens, my co-writer took the day off work to go to that screening. There is no bigger STAR WARS freak that I know. And I’m one of the hosts of the Jedi Council, a group of people who tend to take the films very seriously. So when I heard about these changes, I went straight to the man himself, asking him in e-mail what he had noticed about the print. He took the time to read the original article, and this is what he had to say in response:
Hey, Moriarty… Obi-Swan here…

I just wanted to put my two cents in regarding the article I read here about the recent screening of STAR WARS at the Director’s Guild.

In the piece penned by “Darklighter,” it was reported that there have been some big changes in the print. I was at the screening. If I hadn’t gone, based on that report, I’d be kicking myself for missing all the great new stuff. If you didn’t go, take my word for it: you didn’t miss anything.

In fact, I have no idea how Darklighter arrived at some of these startling conclusions.

Darklighter: “This was not the Special Edition print that is on VHS.”
Obi-Swan: This is true. But the changes are far less dramatic than we’re lead to believe.

Darklighter: “There were changes in this print - specifically, the lightsabers in the Obi/Vader duel were enhanced. This has been a nitpicky thing since the SEs were released: why didn't they fix the rotoscoping on the lightsabers? Well, in this print (which, strangely, was not a new looking print) the sabers WERE fixed.”
Obi-Swan: Enhanced? I suppose, if a slight variance in color timing counts. Fixed? I strongly disagree. The color timing appeared to be slightly different, making the color of the sabers more intense, but that’s it. The original rotoscoping work was still in this print. I say this without reservation because there wasn’t a steaming load of crap in my shorts when I left the theater. If the sabers had been “fixed” and all the old rotoscoping had been removed, I most assuredly would have shit myself. If Mr. Lucas is in fact working on the final versions of these original films, I’m certain the revamped lightsaber effects will be on par with the lightsaber effects in the prequel trilogy, complete with the removal of jump cuts when the swords are ignited and switched off.

Darklighter: “Obi-Wan's saber was brilliant blue and Vader's saber was bright red (not white) in every shot - even in the shot as the blast doors are closing.”
Obi-Swan: I can get behind this part. The saber colors did appear more striking, as I mentioned above, and Vader’s saber IS indeed red as the blast doors are closing. The color on Vader’s saber in this particular shot is the only big difference I spotted.

Darklighter: “In the shot where Ben's saber is pointed at the camera (where it suddenly looks like a stick) it was correctly filled in and had a glorious blue glow.”
Obi-Swan: Nope. Still looks like a stick to me. Honestly, I have no idea why Lucas didn’t fix this back in ’97. Oh, that’s right... he was too busy de-fanging Mos Eisley. Okay, never mind.

Darklighter: I wasn't imagining things because the guy next to me immediately whispered, "Did you see that?!"
Obi-Swan: I attended the screening with a fellow STAR WARS geek. Afterwards we talked about the slight (I repeat, SLIGHT) variances we observed. So, I’m confident I wasn’t imagining that I wasn’t seeing all this new stuff.

Darklighter: “There was one other minor change as well. In the first binary sunset shot as Luke is walking out of the homestead, the lower right sun had CG clouds passing in front of it. I came home and checked my VHS copy -- no clouds.”
Obi-Swan: If you watch even the original letterboxed version on laserdisc (which I just finished doing), you’ll see that clouds have always passed in front of the lower right sun. They’re not CG and they’re not new.

Darklighter: “It seems a few changes were slipped into this print since the initial release.”
Obi-Swan: I don’t think this print represents Lucas’ current version of the film one bit, and I don’t think these changes have been “slipped in” at all. This is probably just another case of slightly different versions of a STAR WARS movie floating around. When the original was in theaters during the initial release, there were slight differences in many of the prints sent out. I’ve even read that in one print, Aunt Beru wasn’t dubbed. Also there’s that dreadful C-3PO line about the tractor beam that’s been dubbed into the recent home video versions. My original VHS from the early 80’s didn’t have the line, nor did it have the line “He’s on your tail!” during the Dearth Star battle or the line “Close the blast doors!” when the Stormtroopers are chasing Han and Chewbacca.

Darklighter: “Perhaps this seems like minor stuff, but the lightsabers have bothered me for years. I'm happy to report they HAVE been fixed. Hopefully soon, everyone else will get a chance to see it on DVD.”
Obi-Swan: The print we saw the other day seems to be the oddity, so I won’t be holding my breath. Next year, when they put these on DVD Indiana Jones-style, I hope they do include these minor differences. The film did look better with the more vibrant sabers.

I hope I’ve been able to clear up a few misconceptions about the print. It was great seeing it again on the big screen.

Obi-Swan

Thanks, man. I know that initial report caused all sorts of hubbub in fandom, and I wanted to make sure we offered another perspective from someone who was there.
"Moriarty" out.
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If true, then changing any of the dialogue in one of the great scenes of the OT will set a whole new standard for idiocy.

where does it say anything about dialogue?

Apparently there will be nearly 100 "tweaks" to the DVD editions.

do tell

Pablo explicitly denied that Ken Burns was doing the documantary in the latest Q&A. However, according to IMDB Ken Burns and Kevin Burns are two different documentary producers.

SI, I think the latest UK edition of DVD REVIEW mentions it...I am going to check out HMW tomorrow to read the article.

hmm I'm skeptical but buzzed at the same time.

I'd rather see subtle improvements than major re-workings.

The colour palette alone in the SE's is enough to make it supperior to the O-OT.

IMO of course.

Read between the lines.

Kissmyredrosy claims that the only change is one line uttered by Palpatine. It's an addition, no subtractions.

But he/she claims one line may be altered a bit.

"Obi-Wan can no longer help him" - Vader

The new line is in red.

VADER
What is thy bidding, my master?

EMPEROR
There is a great disturbance in the Force.

VADER
I have felt it.

EMPEROR
We have a new enemy the one that destroyed the Death Star
– Luke Skywalker.

VADER
Yes, my master.

EMPEROR
He could destroy us.

VADER
He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.

EMPEROR
The Force is strong with him.
The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.

VADER
If he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally.

EMPEROR
Yes. Yes. He would be a great asset. Can it be done?

VADER
He will join us or die, my master.

So besides that minor line change and a possible minor change to:
"Obi-Wan can no longer help him." there is NO panic needed.
GL just wants Ian to be throughout the six films and thats all there is to it. - kissmyredrosy


Hmmm...

Gotcha! I can handle that change.

If there's going to be a change at all, I dont see the big deal about adding or subtracting 4 or 5 words from this scene. Yeah it's not neccessary,but it's not unreasonable either.

This is a fantasy space opera, not a holy scripture that needs any and all changes approved by the Vatican. :wink:

I don't think the Emp is telling Vader something he doesn't already know. All the new line does is tell the audience the Emp and Vader know beyond any doubt it was Luke. Left untouched, it's debatable. I've seen many a thread argue the point as to whether the Emp and Vader knew who destroyed the Death Star. This is merely putting the case to rest.

yes I saw that and I'm glad Fisher has signed on to do commentaries on all 3 episodes. What has me fucked is that Mark Hamill is a glaring omission. WTF?
I can see why Ford wouldn't want to, but why not Hamill...?

hmm, anyone?

Sounds very cool.

150mins!


FUCK YEAH!

That's nice, and I also like how no one at LFL has commented on the feature discs.
I'm sure sooner or later there will be an announcement on the OS confirming additions and enhancements to the films.

I hoped they would release the individual cover art.

I know they're supposed to mesh with the episode 1 and 2 DVD's, but I'd like to see um already. :x

I was in the chat as Brian. Nothing mind boggling. SW got very little mention at all.

The films themselves have not been delivered yet for the DVDs.

He did confirm as rumor:



Also, someone going by Doogan-Bits (Edited to add: Todd Doogan co-editor of Digital Bits) said :


And that was it. Kinda underwhelming, I thought he'd have a little more to say.

DVD Rumors/Spoilers so far:

Hayden WILL be substituted in at the end for Shaw during the "jedi ghosts" shot at the end of ROTJ

Bill Hunt and Todd Doogan said that LFL/Fox/whoever were flirting with changing the infamous "Greedo shoots first" back to it's original sequence: Han Shoots First Again.




Sounds cool to me.

I never really cared one way or the other on the blown out of proportion Who shoots first? controversy.

Only thing is, If Hayden is only in the "jedi ghost" scene, how would Luke know the younger ghost was Anakin?

Maybe it will play off great, but unless there's some sort of dialogue addition, I dont see Luke recognizing the younger Anakin.

I really don't see the rationale in inserting Hayden into the ghost scene at the end of Jedi. I mean, if Lucas was to do this, then why wouldn't he go all the way and replace Sir Alec with Ewan? I mean I'm sure that Lucas has some semblance of faith in the audience to connect the dots and assume that the old man standing alongside Obi-Wan and Yoda is the same person Luke unmasked on the Death Star and must therefore be Anakin Skywalker. But hey, there I go using logic again. In any case, if Lucas does go ahead with this idea, it'll be interesting to hear his reasonning on the commentary track.

Only thing I can figure is if this episode 3 rumor lifted from HTF winds up being true:



If true, it would make the changed ghost scene make sense.

I'll just go ahead and get this out of the way.





Please tell us every major change from the 97 SE's that will be on the forthcoming DVD release.


Thanks.

Which shot are you referring to?

The German Jedi Con shot?

Hayden is being switched in the ghost scene.

How could Shaw be removed in one scene and not the other?

see my post on a possible spoiler on the previous page. :wink:

Alright, after reading that post I can see why Hayden's substitution in that scene could make sense; I guess.

I think the whole Hayden being put into "the ghost scene only" is like saying that this was Anakin before he became Vader. Once he turns back to Anakin, comes back to the light side, this is how he would appear in spirit form and not as the old, twisted shell of a man which was essentially a body for Vader.

Zig's theory is very sound. It's like Vader is a different entity, but Anakin, his spirit...his humanity is still in there somewhere. He's angry, bitter and vengeful, but not completely beyond hope.



Good stuff.

Well, look at the screen. Real, false who knows - although it is an extremely clean video capture if it was fake.

Will it create childhood raping? For sure!!

Greedo is shooting first again, but the FX will be re-worked a little.


Why oh why is this considered a good idea ? Greedo beating Han wtf

Tern, I'm jealous.

A ha! I knew it was new!

Yes, that's the shot

What is that picture from, exactly? A promotional shot? What is holding up the cape at those odd angles?

I believe the pic is from a Sansweet presentation at some German convention. It's supposedly the last pic he put up.

I should have been clearer. I'm wondering where Sansweet got it from.

I'm obviously not being clear enough.

Is the picture directly from a scene in EP III or is it a promotional shot?

I'd say promo for sure.

It has the same grey background and feel of other Episode II and III promo shots.

So is Anakin still being played by Sebastian Shaw during the unmasking of Vader or is that being changed as well?

-Jason

Adding Hayden at the end of RotJ? What next, Padme's ghost?

And someone needs to tell GL that while he love his CG, puppets look more real.

Puppets look like puppets.

CGI looks like CGI.

Neither look real.

These are just movies. As long as these films have spaceships and laser swords, I'm happy.

What's up with this image from the OS?:



Looks like maybe they added a deleted scene where Vader chokes a guy to gain admittance to see the Emperor. ????

I don't remember a scene with them talking with the Death Star in the backround. Seemed like maybe it was a continuation of that scene.