A little patience and more training and he might have found his answers in the Jedi way.

Why does Palpatine need to learn it if he already knows it?

No, he doesn't....its just before.

Why wouldn't he hang out with Yoda? No one knows what he did to Mace and he did with the Tuskens - killed them and went about his business like it never happened.

You have no conception of what the Dark Side is about...but thats not your fault.

Ascovel.. the jedi way maybe is not so easy, but it beats living out life as a suited up sith who lost all that mattered. And now serves a bastard like Sidious.

All I'm saying is a little more patience and he might have achieved what he hoped for in the jedi way. He took the short cut and got burned.

Qui-Gon is out of place here. I think Palpatine can only be refering to Plegieus and there's nothing more to it.

Ah, so it was a lie that Plagueis was killed in his sleep then?

By the way, if Obi Wan learnt the process to become a visible spirit after the duel w/Anakin, How come Anakin becomes a spirit in ROTS?
Where did he learn that?

Was stumbled upon. His love for Luke at those dying moments allowed him to become one with the force.

I guess you can interpret this however you like. I think it's funny, though, that you're willing to accept that Palpatine lied about being able to teach Anakin the power, but not about Plagueis having it in the first place.

Then it turns out Palpatine doesn't know the secret, which makes it pretty likely that Plagueis didn't know either ("he taught his apprentice everything he knew"? Guess not)

I can't see how Palpatine could possibly know what would be going on with Qui-Gon.

Of course, in the novel Palpatine says "The ability to cheat death was something only my MASTER ever achieved." (Palpatine tells Anakin in the novel that Plagueis was his master). So judging from the book, he might be referring to Plagueis in the movie as well.

Do you need fucking everything spelled out for you?

Plagueis did cheat death for those around him - just not himself.

Palpatine clearly emphasizes both that Plagueis ("the Wise") became "so wise" and that he became "so powerful", as though these were two separate qualities...Also the story somehow isn't called "The tragedy of man who could keep people from dying", so there had to be something special about Plegueis that his apprentice lacked.

Sure, as long as you buy into everything that Palpatine says. Again: sort of funny that with no evidence whatsoever to support, you choose to believe that only some of what he says is false, while the rest of it is true.

Says who? A liar? Who did Plagueis save from death?

If Palpatine is only telling Anakin exactly what he wants to hear, why is it so hard to accept that everything he says about Plagueis is a lie? Especially when he leads into the story by confirming that Anakin has never heard of Plagueis before?

I never said I believe in any specific part of Palpatine's story, I'm just trying to point out that the things he says do not contradict themselves in such a way, that you have to put Qui-Gon in there to sort them out. I prefer to stick to more obvious explenations, especially if they make more sense.

Are you suggesting Sidious made up that whole Plageuis story just to lure Anakin...? The whole point of that conversation was to set up that Sidious deceived his Master, gained with it all the knowledge he possessed, and he even gloated about it whilst reflecting on it.

I am having a little trouble with Padme's death

I just think the "will" or "broken heart" was rather weak and a copout. Now maybe had she had something physical (like Anakin's choke having killed her or hurt her) or complications in the pregnancy.

I just think the "will" or "broken heart" was rather weak and a copout. Now maybe had she had something physical (like Anakin's choke having killed her or hurt her) or complications in the pregnancy.

According to Qui-Gon in the cut scene, it was achieved by a Shaman of the Whills.

Sidious could easily have been referring to him.

So do I, and I don't understand why everyone dismisses the report that he refused to do them.

PALPATINE: You are fulfilling your destin, Anakin. Become my apprentice. Learn to use the dark side of the Force.

ANAKIN: I will do whatever you ask.

PALPATINE: Good.

ANAKIN: Just help me save Padme's life. I can't live without her. I won't let her die. I want the power to stop death.

PALPATINE: To cheat death is a power only one has achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret.

ANAKIN kneels before PALPATINE.

ANAKIN: I pledge myself to your teachings. To the ways of the Sith.

If we are being total assholes caught up in semantics than I guess you're right...but I'm pretty sure "I will do whatever you ask" is a pledge. I think it's implied oral consent, perhaps just not expressed written.

Palpatine does. Is Palpatine just going to let him leave? Furthermore, I'm pretty sure Yoda senses it. It's quite clear from very early on he knows Anakin has turned to the dark side.

You don't get to decide what the Dark Side is about, GL does. Live with it. Your posts get more bitter and nitpicky everyday.

Are you suggesting Sidious made up that whole Plageuis story just to lure Anakin...? The whole point of that conversation was to set up that Sidious deceived his Master, gained with it all the knowledge he possessed, and he even gloated about it whilst reflecting on it.

didn't palps saber go out the window during the battle with Mace? how'd he get that sucker back or does he just have backups

Inconsistent Light sabre duels haunt me. This is the breakdown:

We have Obi-Wan killing Maul who pretty much looks like the best swordsman in the whole PT.

In AotC you have Anakin and Obi being owned by Dooku. Then you have Dooku holding his own with Yoda (lightning and all).

Moving to ROTS you have Obi- Wan STILL being owned by Dooku and now Anakin's killing of Dooku made to look way too easy. (Where was the force lightning Dooku?)

Moving along to Mace pretty much owning Palp although he cut thru the other Jedi way way to easy making it look like the leads are the only ones who really know how to fight. Was Palp just toying with Mace?

Then we have Yoda who cant seem to beat Dooku (in AotC) and fares far worse than Windu did aginst Palp. And not to mention he just gives up.

And the worst of all, we have Obi-Wan basically winning the fight aginst the chosen one. He can't beat Dooku or even give a good showing aginst him but he can beat Anakin?

yes we all had our preconcieved notions about the Obi-Ani fight, for meeven as far back as the late 70's. I cant remeber where (think it was Bantha Tracks) but reading a George interview stating that during the big fight Anakin falls into lava. So all these years it was thought by me that it was a hell of a fight but Anakin slipped or lava somehow got on him.

But what we have is Obi flat out beating Anakin (set up by a god awful high ground statement).

Sorry just some unloading............................

he couldve.. but anakin is so stupid and overconfident he hasta jump behind him

Yes that jump was very stupid, but Anakin still could've blocked his saber I think, I mean he is the greatest Jedi ever.

Anakin should be grateful that Obiwan ONLY cut his legs and an arm off. While Anakin was in mid-air Mr. Kenobi could've simply given him a force push right into the lava.