No. And given how many lies we know that Palpatine tells, it's odd how many people have inferred a "truth" that he never quite tells.

There's just as much reason to believe that Plagueis lived 500 years earlier as there is to believe that he was Palpatine's mentor.

Luminara does not die on screen.

And no, Palpatine never says he was that dude's apprentice.

I have watched the movie three times and enjoyed it immensely but it felt too rushed and perhaps too much got cut from the film as a whole. These are some of the things i would like back into the film: 1. dooku's line, "Just because there are two of you, do not assume you have the advantage". 2. something in the invisible hand where anakin tells obiwan that he killed dooku and obi's reaction to it. 3. The scene where the senators visit padme and discuss palpatine, rebellion, etc. 4. more c-3po anywhere would be nice but perhaps more with him and artoo together. 5. more anakin/obiwan interaction in the middle of the film. 6. more yoda put into the film and perhaps have him with mace greeting palpatine back. 7. more of the fight w/ dooku since it felt a bit short. 8. more footage of the war on kashykk and when the clones turn there. 9. i'd like an explanation that yoda gives that tells chewy and tarrful that the clones have turned and the need to defend themselves. 10. more of the journey for yoda, chewy and tarrful to get to the escape pod, including encountering clones and such. 11. more from the slaughter scene on kashykk including the other jedi that perished there as well. 12. the scene where shaak ti gets killed by anakin should be there. 13. the scene where yoda, obi and bail come back to coruscant, land and encounter some clones. 14. the scene where obiwan picks boga from all the other creatures. 15. more dialog scenes w/ anakin and palps at any point in the film. 16. extend the scene of obiwan looking at the recordings of the killing and his reaction to it all. 17. extend the fight w/ palps and yoda plus perhaps some more dialog. 18. make it much clearer why yoda decides to flee from palps after falling down. 19. establish the plan between yoda and bail to show that bail was always standing by if yoda needed his assistance. 20. extend the obiwan/anakin duel plus more dialogue and interaction between the two. 21. put in the scene where artoo and 3po grab padme and bring her up to the ship and include the dialogue. 22. put in the shot from the trailer where palp's ship is coming back to coruscant with anakin's burnt body. 23. more dialogue beetween yoda, obi and bail towards the end of the film discussing the plans, hiding out, padme, etc. 24. make it clear why yoda and bail go to polis massa and how obiwan finds the place. 25. put in the moment where padme and leai connect for a brief moment. 26. make the procedure longer w/ padme's medical issue. 27. extend anakin becoming darth in the suit, perhaps a couple of pieces each being put on by droids. 28. put back in the scene w/ yoda and quigon talking cause its important for the later films. 29. extend padmes funeral a tad bit. 30. perhaps towards the very end, they could put in a shot of obiwan riding away into the tattoine dessert which would be a nice addition. 31. bring back the scenes of yoda going to dagobah and him surveying his new suuroundings. 32. put in the scenes explaing why its so important for 3po to get his mind erased. these seem like alot of complaints, but in reality, each are very minor and i hope george finds it in his heart to put back some of these into the film for the dvd release. Like i said, i really loved the film, thought it was the best of the prequels, but again, it played way too fast and in my opinion, too much got left on the cutting room floor.

Incidentally...

UNLIMITED POWER!

That's worth the price of admission right there.

_Mike









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what's up w/ the countdown?

mverta, don't do it man. I know your life has been a total waste so far, but suicide is not the answer!

Ive' seen the movie only once, but quite enoyed it...I thought Lucas did the ANAKIN's transformation well and Hayden played ANAKIN very well - especially after the EMPORER named him DARTH VADER and he went on a killing spree....

...but the film did not answer 3 questions I was looking for from the first two Episodes: (1) who was SIFO-DIAS (2) who erased the Kamino files from the Jedi library and (3) how do dead Jedi talk to the living Jedi ? (I was under the impression that we would learn how QUI-Gon JINN could talk through the Froce to OBI-WAN.

Another thing. I may have interpreted this wrong from the film, but it was something PALPATINE said to ANAKIN: It was "the story" of how a sith (?) character learned to use the dark side of the force and who had become so powerful that he could "manipulate the force to create midichlorians to create life" (or something like that). Anyone remember this? Was this character that PALPATINE was referring to himself? Was PALPATINE suggesting that he manipulated the force to create ANAKIN with SCHMI SKYWALKER as the host?

Thoughts/ideas anyone?

I was slightly dissapointed walking out, but only I think because I knew when every damn moment would occur.

It's a good film. Best of the prequels (and I liked Episode I, thought II was mediocore), and better than Jedi. Up there with IV and V.

Anakin's turn was believable enough. Not a character thesis like some were expecting, and there was definetly some jerkiness with the Mace scene and the knighting scene that followed. But if you believed he was really doing all this for Padme, that he believed Mace tried to kill Palpatine, then it works.

The opening was incredible. Everything from the opening shot to landing the ship was gold.

Hayden was definetly better this time around. It's clear Lucas casted him for this film and not for Episode II. Ewan was solid. Portman was head and shoulders above her performance in II. General Grievous, while nice, was pretty extraneous. As was Kashyyyk.

Yeah, Mcdiarmid owned. The opera scene was the best scene in the movie, hands down. His pseudo-groveling after having his face fucked was great, and even though he got pretty damn hammy as Sidious (which got a lot of unintentional laughter in the audience), he stole the show.

The fights. Dooku was great, I loved the fight and his death. I was pleasantly surprised by Palpatine VS Mace and Posse. Most people dissed it, but I found it to be very good. "POWER! UNLIMITED POWER!" was indeed a classic moment.

And the final two duels. Obi-Wan VS Anakin, I also thought was better than most people said it was. Yoda VS Sidious was nice, but I was surprised how short it was, and that Lucas took an uncharacteristic tactic in skipping how Sidious got from the chancellor's pod to the Senate Pods.

And everything after that was great. The Qui-Gon thing sorely needed Liam Neeson, but it worked well enough without it. I had no problem with the Vader scream.

The music was good. The recycled music wasn't as poorly edited as Episode II's was, nor was the whole score in general. I really didn't understand the rationale in not having any music during the lightning standoff in Sidious VS Mace, and somewhere in the prequels, the Imperial/Death Star theme from ANH should have appeared. But overall a great score (loved the use of Duel of the Fates in Yoda VS Sidious, and was surprised the Imperial March from the track "Anakin VS Obi-Wan" was for that fight instead of Ani VS Obi). The use of the Funeral Theme at the end was tremendous.

So overall, not this emotional tragedy some have painted it to be, but definetly a quality film that can stand on it's own outside of the Star Wars Universe.

S'over folks.

It was heavily implied that Sidious was Plagueis' apprentice, almost to the point you can consider it fact, and it was Plagueis who had learnt the skill of manipulating the midichlorians. You can argue both ways, but when you argue that Anakin was designed by the Sith you also discount the prophecy of the Chosen One held in such high regard by the Jedi - until ROTS of course where the Council have all but conceded they may have misjudged severley...

Why did they think they'd misjudged it? Because Anakin was Palpatin's friend? I though in ROTS Anakin was finally starting to act like a Jedi (at least in the opening battle).

I took the day off TODAY and watched it three times back to back. I agree as well, there are some parts that should have been there and I was quite surprised they were missing. The line that dooku spoke about not having the advantage should have been there. (BTW did anyone else think that Palps was doing some controlling during the dooku fight?) I was SHOCKED that Sidious's ship fly by when taken crispy Anakin back was gone but made the first full trailer! Also the scene where Yoda is disguised with the wookies was sorely missed. And why in the world they cut Qui-Gon out I do not know. If Lucus puts those cut scenes back in as integrated in the DVD version, I would be quite estatic, but that is not his way, so we will probably only see them as deleted scenes.

It was cool to see the Millenium Falcon! And I think the Clone Wars should have been required viewing before seeing the movie so ppl would know WHY Grevious was coughing!

Ummm, Anakin killed Dooku who was defenseless. That is NOT the jedi way. Basically Anakin was doing everything a Jedi should not do in ROTS even before his "official turn" by cutting off Mace's hand.

When I saw the film, I was surprised at just how blatantly Palpatine suggests that Plagueis may have created Anakin. The delivery was slow and deliberate, and on the words, "....to create life." McDiarmid was directed to turn very pointedly and look at Hayden. This was carefully blocked and executed. And there was an additional beat in the edit. None of this was random. The performace, the blocking and the edit were carefully executed to maximize either 1) it's true or 2) Palpatine REALLY wants to plant the idea in Anakin's head.

What I was surprised at is that with so much deliberate attention given to the statement, that virtually none was given to the immediate reaction. I'll bet you anything it was, at one time. Somewhere it was decided to avoid going to the reaction shot, and to deliberately keep the issue vague. But both of my audiences made a gasp at the line, and you could feel the anticipation, waiting to see Anakin's reaction... when it didn't come....

....well people soon forgot because McDiarmid was so engaging as he went on with his story. But there's no question that the One True Answer was not revealed in the film. What's happened here is precisely what helps the story endure: Lots of unanswered questions. Plenty of stuff to cover in those books and television episodes....

_Mike









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One last comment before I am off to bed. I did notice a few issues someone else had pointed out in this thread:
1) The fights are too close in - the only reason I can think of it to give the illusion of all the fighting without having to actually have the technical fighting.
2) The Light Sabers have a trail. I have to admit, I really noticed that and missed the sabers from the OT. (But maybe Lucas would have all the sabers like that if he had had the technology.)

One of the best movies i've ever seen period. I don't really see the plot hole with the "lie" because Palps never told Anakin he could save people from dying. He told him that Darth Plagius could. Then when he told him to kill the Jedi, he said that Anakin would become strong with the Dark Side and together they could work on saving Padme. That pretty much sums up Anakin's intentions and make the turn work for me. Plus, another scene not mentioned is when Anakin talks with Yoda. Yoda pretty much tells him that he's fucked! Palpatine gave him hope.

Anyways, after two viewings it was perfect for me, 10/10!

The exchange in the Republic Gunship on Coruscant with the leading Council members suggested, to me, that the Jedi were on the verge of abandoning the prophecy of the Chosen One. Mace and Yoda seemed distant, Obi-Wan was clinging to it - even to the bitter end during the immolation scene. I actually agree with Mike "my life is now a bunch of numbers on this internet" Verta when he explains the direction of that scene in the opera. Very deliberate, not even subtle, more like a hammer over the back of the noggin. You could argue a case for more Sith lies and deceit, but interesting none-the-less.

Question/Quibble:

Towards the end when Yoda and Obi-wan found out about Anakin becoming Vader, why was it necessary for them to split up? Wouldn't it have made more sense for them to team up to go after the Empreror first?

To people bitching about the Qui-Gon scene being cut:

Do you all have short-term memories, or did you just pretend to forget that report of Liam Neeson refusing to do voice work?

Schindler should get off his ass and record the goddamn lines. There's not one good reason for Liam to refuse, except for being an asshole.

Never thought two "unload" threads and upteen pages would go by till I got a chance to unload! Got back from Universal in Orlando for a charity screening of ROTS and Oh My Fucking God!!!!!!!!

I nearly shit my pants I was so beside myself. Although I was slightly disappointed by some of the scenes that didn't make the film, I believe that it would have dragged on way too much otherwise. Sort of like Return Of The King. Hayden was fucking awesome, as was Ewan and of course Ian. Natalie was O.K., but if I were to compare her three performances, from TPM to ROTS, she was best in ROTS.

IMO, this film rivals ESB.

And now I'm watching the workprint. Had it torrenting as I was in Orlando. Star Wars overload!!!

I couldn't agree more.

This is interesting. In the new star wars insider Ian McD specifically states the deformed looked of palpatine is his real appearance and that it just "bursts" forth during the fight. In fact it was considered whether he would be back and forth between his real look and his palpatine look but George liked the makeup so much that he decided to use it for the rest of the film. He also explicity states he's really really old...and of course evil. I guess that's better than having your face melt. I didn't really get the melting thing from the movie either so this seems to make more sense.

The face melting thing never really made that much sense to me considering that neither Mace's nor Luke's faces (or any other part of their body consisting of soft flesh) melted when hit by Sith lightning...unless there is some sort of caveat where if you're hit with your own lightning it can melt you, otherwise...no melting. Whatever the case may be it is a bit annoying that they never made it clear in any way which actually happened...no line from Palpatine talking about a Sith being able to hide his true form, etc. So either way it wasn't a very well explained situation in the movie.

Well...I think it's clear in that he is never hit by his own lightning I believe. Look at the picture in this scan I'm providing. This page has some interesting stuff in it all around. I think it's there to see if you really watch, but if you're the EU lovin type your brain might go off on some wacky ideas as to whats really happening.

Jeez, the movie's only been out for two days now and I think I'm the last starwars fan on Earth that hasn't seen it yet.

I just hate waiting in line, and theaters everywhere have been sold out since it was released.

The Titanic shall sink and one day I'll see this badass movie. Glad you guys seem to love it, for the most part.

This is interesting. In the new star wars insider Ian McD specifically states the deformed looked of palpatine is his real appearance and that it just "bursts" forth during the fight. In fact it was considered whether he would be back and forth between his real look and his palpatine look but George liked the makeup so much that he decided to use it for the rest of the film. He also explicity states he's really really old...and of course evil. I guess that's better than having your face melt. I didn't really get the melting thing from the movie either so this seems to make more sense.

Yeah, I saw that too. I'm glad that seems to be the view as to how Palpatine's "deformation" works because (1) it's always been my pet theory and (2) no one else immediately turns into a decrepit corpse when they get zapped in these movies.

mverta said:



The reason for the lack of a reaction shot on Anakin when Palpatine tells him about Lord Plagueuios power to create life, is becasue that part isn't interesting to Anakin. Anakin is looking for the power to sustain and prolong life to be able to safe Padmé. Since Palapatine is aware of this he then - in the same sentence - proceeds to tell Anakin about the same Lords power to do also just that: sustain and prolong life. This is followed by...yes, exactly, a reaction shot on Anakin giving Palpatine a VERY interested look. This scene's moral and Anakins motivation is perfectly clear to me.

Regarding Palpatines later suggested lie about this to Anakin: Palpatine never lies. This is appr. what Palpatine says when Anakins has surrendered and on his knees screams "I just want to save Padmé from dying" (or something close): "There is only one who knew how to do that (read: Plagueious) but together we can work to unravel this power")

Thats no lie. Just a reminder to Anakin that there's is along way to go. It is ANAKIN that overinterpreted the discussion in the opera to fit his needs/dreams. Palpatine just played with his mind.

That is EXACTLY how I interpreted Palpatine's seduction of Anakin. Anakin jumps the gun, rushing to conclusions. He was royally bamboozled by Palpatine.

Having just watched ROTS again - I can confirm, that I love Boga.

All I have to say about this movie is WOW! George really hit a homerun with this. The opening space duel was far beyond anything I've seen. I do have some criticizms (sorry about the spelling). For a film that was almost 2 1/2 hours long, I felt that most of the scenes were rather short. They could have added more. They also didn't explain some things to my satisfaction. Why did they put Chewbacca in the movie if he was basically going to sit there? Why couldn't they have explained more about Qui-Gon and the whole concept of joining the force? Oh well. Nothing is perfect but if I had to rate this, I'd give it a 9.

Or alternatively not explained it at all. That bit felt very tacked on and out of place to me. I know the whole disappearing question comes up all the time but I really have never had a problem not knowing. That's just me...

Yoda is communicating with Qui-Gon when he has his eyes closed on that astroid where the twins are born. I didn't really need Qui-Gon's voice for the scene to work. Please use a little more imagination here you guys, that's why it's a fantasy movie.

Going in, knowing that Qui-Gon's appearance had been cut, I was worried the conversation between Yoda and Obi-Wan would feel tacked on and leave the casual fans scratching their heads. But it worked very well, I thought. I loved the exchange.

Still hoping the scene is restored for the DVD, though. I really don't see what it got in the way of.

Well, it has now been two days since I saw the movie for the second time and I have been thinking about the movie during that time. Still can't wait to see it again. Loved every minute of it except the hairbrush scene. But hey, everything can't be perfect.

I believe the biggest thing that will stay with me about this film is one line that Obi-Wan says to Vader on Mustafar. Very close to the end of the duel:

"I have failed you, Anakin."

Wow. That line has given me a whole new look at Obi-Wan in the original trilogy. Just the anguish that he must have felt over 18 years on Tatooine thinking about what he might have done differently to help this boy become a Jedi and to destroy the Sith. About how he helped orphan two children (okay, they aren't orphaned, but they don't have the life that they could have with two loving parents. Leia probably had this more than Luke did). Now I understand more than ever why he and Yoda were so against Luke going to Cloud City. But, really, I am surprised now that in ROTJ Obi was so quick to have Luke go after Darth Vader. Knowing full well that the Emperor would be involved and that he would be clouding Luke's mind just as he had done to Anakin.

Well, originally after the first viewing I was putting this movie after Empire and ROTJ. But now I'm starting to wonder if it doesn't come right after Empire. I'm so confused!!

Loved every minute of it except the hairbrush scene. But hey, everything can't be perfect.

That's interesting. This was the most viscerally effective part of the entire film for me. I think it played on the audience's expectations perfectly. The scene, more particularly Padme's surprising "beauty," shows us how Anakin's feelings towards his loved ones are so distant and inaccessible to the viewer.

I also thought Padme's emphasis of the word "safe" when she wishfully speaks of the future was interesting, given the context it is used in later on.

I don't know. It still felt like to me that Hayden and Natalie were still reading the words off of a page and didn't really know what to do with them. I do not fault either of them for this of course.

ANAKIN: You are so beautiful!
PADME: It's only because I'm so in love . . .
ANAKIN: No, it's because I'm so in love with you.
PADME: So love has blinded you?
ANAKIN: Well, that's not exactly what I meant . . .
PADME: But it's probably true!

They laugh.


I don't know. Maybe I'll understand after a few more viewings. I just didn't see the need for the scene.

PADME: So love has blinded you?
ANAKIN: Well, that's not exactly what I meant . . .
PADME: But it's probably true!

It's ironic that they make humor out of it. It's really pin-pointing the core reason behind Anakin's problems.

All the readings sounded natural. And if they sounded "stilted", "dry", "clunky" or "wooden," I would attribute it to GL's often proclaimed '30's-'40's melodramatic stylization of dialogue. The only problem I MAY have had is Anakin's over-reactive yelling at Obi-Wan before the duel. But it seems perfectly balanced by Obi-Wan's calmness and counter arguments.

I feel like I am in an AOL chat room or something. sigh.

Actually, when I think about it, probably what I find so bad about it is something from the last movie. After all of the bad chemistry and dialogue during the love scenes of AOTC, I probably expected another round of it in ROTS. So any time Anakin and Padme are alone on screen I automatically say to myself: "Okay, here comes the crap". I guess that is really my fault although I do believe I would have noticed even if there had been no romance in AOTC.

But then again, I'm proud that this is the only scene I find irritating. Since there are 4 or 5 scenes between them in the the movie, to only have 1 make me cringe is a step in the right direction.

I thought the scene on Mustafar between them was spot on brilliant.

Those scenes had to be there. It can't be an all out action-adventure film. Lucas is following a prescribed studio film form. This requires the usual to-and-fro between males and females. He's had this sort of romance in 5 out of 6 of all of the Star Wars films. The beauty of ROTS is that it's a twisted, inevitably doomed kind of situation.

I can't complain. Padme's care-free, smiley-faced walk past Anakin after his second dream is great. It's so pathetic.

Just as a general observation many people seem to be saying 'if you had seen the cartoon' or 'if you had read the book' or whatever. The film is what it is. The book is no more canon than Obi-Wan being Owen's brother turned out to be. And I would hesitate to put too much weight in the cartoon too.

Grievous worked well in the film for me. If he didn't work for you, that's fine. It's a point of view. But if he didn't work for you because he wasn't like he was in the cartoon, then maybe you should be putting the movies before the cartoon in your hierarchy.

In ways, I think many opinions are being influenced by external sources, even spoilers we had read. For example, people are saying that the cut dialogue shoudl be put back into the opening. That opening edited together so fantastically that you can be damn sure that dialogue was cut with good reason. If you hadn't read the spoilers, you would have no clue something was cut. Except for that slightly odd bit where the window was smashed and Grievous was sucked into space, then straight after everything seems back to normal. That aside, most parts in this film flowed really well. More does not equal better. And the film should be the highest source - not the cartoon, book, script, figure packaging, cereal box or whatever. That's just how I see it anyway.

Well said. I think it's safe to say Lucas didn't keep the .000001% of the audience in mind when he made ROTS.

I got to see it Thursday, and I was completely blown away by the scope of ROTS. I went in a little worried because I had been hyped up before about TPM and AOTC, and they didn't deliever, but this one certainly did. Anakin's fall towards the Darkside was very interesting to watch, and I loved how Palpatine was able to manipulate Anakin so slowly. The battle scenes were very well done as well.

My favorite scene in ROTS was the execution of Order 66. Powerful stuff that was. I had assumed the audience would have been laughing at Jedi being killed, but the places was silent. There were a few gasps, but that was it! BTW, does anyone happen to know which song from the soundtrack was played during the Order 66 scene? I can't remember which one is was anymore, but I really liked it for some reason lol.

The song was "Anakin's Betrayal".

I've seen ROTS twice (so far) and i'm happy with it.The first viewing almost burnt my retinas out,i never blinked.I caught the Falcon and the Lucas cameo first viewing too, i basically had my eyes set to widescreen mode.

There were scenes and elements that bugged,but a strong opening cast a long shadow over the rest of the flick imho

Despite being spoiled in everything but the script i thought there were a ton of suprises.I knew of scenes but had no idea of the context.

Palpatine/Sidious. I thought both performances were top tier.The opera scene is a classic especially the 'Plagueis' bit.The Windu duel was excellent Palps was very theatrical in his fighting with echoes of Maul at the end.Very 1920's when he lost his sabre and was scuttling away from Windu.Post transformation was entertaining with the voice messed up and the over the top nuances.These scenes in part were pitch perfect with ROTJ.

The birth of Vader was miles better than i read.I imagine the short amount of Vader is to mirror ROTJ and the amount of time Anakin is on screen.

Grievous was a suprise.The descriptions online were spot on,but i wasn't expecting him to go manga and do the spiderwalk that and of course the 'buzzsabres'.The voice did'nt bug either.

Dooku was over a little too fast but i think it worked because it was so unexpected and highlighted Anakins fighting prowess.despite the dark nature of Dookus demise i thought it clever how it was played for laughs a good contrast to the Clones duel.

The Jedi purge had a good sense of scope and showed off to full effect GL's economical storytelling skills.

John williams score was perfect for this film.

GL says in interviews about wanting to go more non linear in future films, i reckon he's started already and i mean that in a good way.

I had the same experience. My girlfriend was basically humoring me by coming along, but she ended up loving this one. When we got home, she re-named one of our cats R2-D2. I'm not kidding.

Saw it a second time in the cinema today and watched bits and pieces of it at home. I think a few things were cut from the opening battle that were released as clips before. I remember something about those triangular looking droids/fighters that had mini turrets firing rapidly. Also, I remember seeing a clip where those rockets were about to hit a small fighter when suddenly it opened up completely and the rockets went through.

I liked the hairbrush scene, in fact I liked everything between Anakin and Padmé. We had to see Anakin head over heels with Padmé otherwise his turn would have been even more unbelievable. It all hinged on his love for Padmé.

Dooku was a throaway character and I really hated that. I think it would have been much more cooler if Dooku had survived the first duel and instead of Obi-Wan hunting down Grievous he could have gone after Dooku. Grievous didn't do anything for me.

The scene where Anakin and Padmé 'look' at each other miles apart is very moving, some beautiful music there as well.

Ewan kicks ass and Hayden was very good as well. The scene where they come out of the Council meeting is classic, I also liked the one where Anakin wasn't on time for the briefing and Obi-Wan warns him of Palpatine.

The R2 comedy bits were a bit over the top as was McDiarmid at times.

Lightsabre fights were pretty damn awful. I couldn't make out shit half the time. There was no passion to the fights, it felt like paint by numbers. I move here, you move there, our sabers clash here and then I do this little twirl there and don't forget to zoom in on the blur.

All in all I really thing the prequels are seriously flawed, Lucas could have spread things out more evenly. I think that whole 'chosen one' thing hasn't been handled very well, for something that is so crucial to the overall story it's been given very little attention.

"A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi knights."

Helped is the keyword. I agree I expected him to do some more killing, but he could do some more between Revenge of The Sith and A New Hope. I like to think after becoming the mechanized monster, he devotes the 20 years between to hunting down and murdering his former friends. Because his hatred is pretty much all he has left now.

saw it again (2nd time) and enjoyed it even more.

"I'm so sorry."
great line by obi1 to padme about anakin being the father.

Sorry dude, that was from the Revenge of the Brick Lego animated short film. That would have been pretty retarted to have in the actual film.