How could the end be depressing with such cute little babies??

Right on the mark.

I am actually underwhelmed. Or is it overwhelmed?
The movie was so tight. Many of the scenes I expected to be dramatic turned out to be so quick and short, they couldn't leave a lasting impression. Especially the execution of Order 66 was not as impressive as I hoped it to be. And was Christopher Lee actually in the movie?

I guess reading all the spoilers from the novelization didn't help in some way, because (naturally) the important scenes seemed to be much longer, deeper and intricate in written form.

Some (unimportant) scenes I expected to be in were cut, too. Nos Monster? And I still really wish the geeky little Qui-Gon and Mon Mothma subplots would have been in. Can't wait for the DVD version!

And on top of it:

THE GERMAN SYNCHRONIZATION SUCKED!
Some of the wording seemed to be better in german, but most of the synchronization voices were weak, especially Palpatine and Vader's "NOOOOO".
I really have to watch the movie in english ASAP!

BUT: The end of the duel and the burning Vader scene was breathtaking, I felt hot and cold at the same time - something that doesn't happen too often. Awe-inspiring!

I guess after watching it for a second time everything will sink in and all the scenes I felt to be rushed during the first time will have the impact I expected them to have.

I can't wait!

7/10 at the moment, but only because I'm still overwhelmed/underwhelmed. This rating WILL change with time!


EDIT:

And, oh yes: the birth of Luke and Leia turned out to be quite satisfying as far as Leia remembering her mother is concerned IMO - while Luke was barely a second with his mother, Leia lasted in the hands of Obi-Wan during the whole and relatively long moment of his final exchange with Padme. Good job.

Under that character trait, that would mean that Anakin would kill Palpatine after he admits the bullshit lie, then go to Padme and try and convince her to rule the galaxy with him.

The alliance with Palpatine has no logical foundation - and his basis of the Jedi Rebellion has no basis either.

I too was left thinking about the motivations for the "I must obey my Master" attitude. It is not what I expected it to be.

My initial thoughts are that Anakin has much, much more of a stake into the formation of the Empire than I expected. He talks about MY empire in the duel. He actually and believes Palp saying the Jedi were going to take control.

This suprisingly appears to be the motivation after he kills Padme. That is all he has left: the Empire he helped form to bring peace and order to the Galaxy; the TRUST he has for Palpatine, who actually shows him false compassion. Palps does not have any physical control over Vader or any overt means of blackmailing him into submission. Vader has bought the saving the Galaxy idea hook, line and sinker!

Anakin is so clearly duped into believing he has saved the galaxy and he has to preserve his legacy that it only takes until RotJ that he sees his trusted mentor for what he is - an arch manipulator

I will be watching the OT this weekend to see how this view plays out

You're being generous. Having Anakin switch motivations would've been a perfectly fine thing to do, but it wasn't. To do this, you show the moment of realization when Anakin learns Palpatine was bullshitting. In movies, by the way, you have to actually shoot this with a camera. You point it at Anakin and say, "Roll camera... okay...Anakin realizes he's been betrayed... and... ACTION!" And then the actor does it. Otherwise you end up with people on messageboards going on for days about what the character was apparently thinking. Which is borderline insane.

Then you show Anakin deciding to stuff his reaction and pretend to be going along with Palpatine. He follows Palpatine's orders like everything's hunky dory, and Palpatine's none the wiser. But then when he gets to Padme, we learn what he's been stuffing: Fuck Palpatine, I'm more powerful, and he's a liar. So I'm going to rule the galaxy and you can be my Queen!

And she says, NO NO NO! And then he says, Obi wan turned you against me! And Obi Wan shows up, so he puts the hurt on. But he loses. Loses everything, and basically ends up crawling back to the Emperor who imprisons his crippled ass in a suit and makes him his bitch for the rest of his life. Until his son gives him a chance, years later, to put things right.

See how easy that was?

ok...the movie it was fucking fantastic but please ecuse me as I digress and go on a rant/review of the "experience" i was submitted to..

1. The cinema was full and I was seated between 2 really fat people who took the whole armrest on either side and parts of my seat.

2. One of these two insisted on asking me questions every 5 seconds becaus ethey 'didn't get it' and kept spilling their food everywhere

3. The other one laughed everytime a wookiee was on screen, laughed when Anakin was on fire, laughed when the helmet was put on, growled everytime yoda spoke because they 'hated him' and he 'couldn't talk properly', rocked back and forth in their seat/s for half the time, and they also kept spilling their food everywhere.

4. Then there was the 4 fifteen year old boys sitting in front of me, I swear i was so ready to put a boot into the back of one of their heads. They laughed at the jedi beign killed, they laughed at sidious, they laughed at more fucking innapropriate times than my neighbour. I kicked their seats about 5 times but they continued.

5. And the thing that topped it off for me, was the fact that the two people who were sitting next to me were my friends, who knew i'd been waiting 3 years for the movie, who i had told before it started that i just wanted to be able to enjoy it and then went and carried on with the bullshit that they did.

maybe i'm just being sour but they fucking ruined it for me.....i'm now going back on sunday by myself to watch it.....sitting as far away from everyone else as possible

oh yeh...and the movie was great

I am actually saying that the film introduces the "MY empire" motivation pretty well.

I don't accept Anakin realises he has been betrayed by Palps at all in this movie. He still trusts him (but at the same time harbours his own takeover ambitions) until ESB because he believes the Jedi, senate et al are corrupt. This has been an underlying theme for him the whole PT.

A further point is that Anakin's trust in Palps is founded in a serious underestimation of Palp's manipulative skills. He's totally unaware

That's the point... he doesn't seem to notice that Palpatine was lying.

His sudden motivation to take over the universe... when did THAT happen? 5 seconds before he was doing anything and everything Palpatine ordered, because, like you said, he trusts him completely.

You've illustrated perfectly the failure we're describing. You've arbitrarily filled in the gaps because it isn't actually in the film. He never acknolweges the betrayal, and suddenly starts talking about running the Galaxy, which comes out of nowhere. Like I said, that's a perfectly legitimate direction to take the character, but you have to actually TAKE him there... on screen. In the movie. On film. And that's not there. Having the character who was blindly following every last horrific thing he was being asked to do suddenly take a left turn and begin betraying him is... well it's just not good storytelling.

I don't think Anakin trusting Palps and at the same time plotting to overthrow him are contradictory at all.

Anakin is at the end of the film drunk with power. His motivation to overthrow Palps is due to thinking he is more powerful than him; that is irrespective of actually trusting his master's intentions towards him. But that is the irony, Palps has manipulated him all along.

Getting suited up loses the power advantage for Vader until teaming up with Luke becomes an option.

I think I may draw more out of this by watching the OT again, because I think it is there that the gaps are filled

He killed the Jedi because he trusted Palpatine more than he trusted them. Palpatine was his friend, his supporter and his father figure and Anakin trusted him even when he knew he shouldn't.

To, out of nowhere, then start talking about overthrowing him was a huge jump. I'm with Tern and Mverta on this.

To say he was drunk with power is just papering over the crack and could be used to justify any badly thought out character change.

Like most others here, I thought the movie was great. I wish GL hadn't cut so much out though - the Dooku duel seemed to end too soon and the whole wookie thing seemed a bit pointless, presumably because a lot of it was cut.
Does anyone know if there are plans to put an "uncut" version out on DVD please?

As a director/writer/caterer, I'd give it a 7.5, good, not great. I will not destroy your planet. Nor will I give you the secrets of immortality.

The overthrowing stuff I just saw as Anakin bullshitting Padmé for a while, to convince her to join him down his dark path, (so that he was able to save her) kind of the same way he tried with Luke in ESB. Failed miserably both times, though.

Watched it and REALLY enjoyed it.
Yoda and Obiwan were awesome. It was great to Obiwan in his PRIME at last. Hayden did a GREAT job as Anakin. He was a 'powerful jedi' indeed.
Grevious, Palpatine and Dooku were cool. Too little Dooku in my opinion!
Complaints:
It did seem a bit jagged and clumsy at times. I think Lucas cut out WAY too much. I have to say though that I expected more from the Mace/Palpatine fight. It was enjoyable, but I was just expecting something more spectacular I guess. I am also not to impressed with Anakins turn. I do not think he showed enough conflict before knelling and committing to the Sith Order. He killed Dooku with SO little prompting from Palpatine. yes, I know, 'when you start down the dark side...........', but still, it all happened so quickly. One moment he is a jedi, then he is butchering younglings..........
Maybe in the uncut version, Anakins turn will not seem so sudden?
Question..............Were those tears from Anakin after he had butchered the seperatists on Mustafar? Did the realization of his actions just hit him?
Would n't it been better to see him crying after the jedi temple invasion?

Something happens to Vader on the bridge of Mustafar after he has killed the seperatist leaders. You can see him crying, presumably he knows what he's done is wrong. But,at this point, he's doing it for Padme. He doesnt realise she finds it abhorrent and ghastly. He is very different talking to her when she lands, it almost doesnt look like Hayden anymore. I think he's saying we can rule...blah to keep her happy, (he is now thinking about nothing but power and presumes everyone else is the same). he's just single handedly wiped out all the guys responsible for the war (except Palps), it wouldnt take a genius to figure out that with Palps gone Anakin would be numero Uno. Perhaps he doesnt realise Palps was acting weak when Anakin saw him dueling Mace (Palps only starts to lose the upper hand after Anakins speeder lands). This bridge scene mirrors/echoes that of ROTS, where masked Vader appears to start having second thoughts about Luke, in ROTS the bridge represents going the other way, having second thoughts that what he'd done was wrong. He is way past saving when he comes off the bridge to meet Padme.

I liked the way he was sensing Obi as he spoke to Padme on the platform too, reminds me of ANH.

I got the impression when he was slaughtering in the Jedi temple that it was a necessary evil, to save Padme. After the bridge he is still harbouring some of his old self as he tells Obi "Don't make me kill you",but there's not much left.Anakin is only gone completely when he finds Padme is dead. Which Palps probably predicted all along.

As a lover of symbology and mythology I'm not surprised GL chose a bridge for this,

For those who think Palps overacts - he's a little excited, thousands of years of secrecy and hiding from the Jedi are almost over, its christmas eve to him.

Could Palps forsee that Obi would fuck Vader up? 1st he tells Anakin to leave him on the ship to die, then he thinks Grevious will deal with him. Seems like he foresaw that too.

I was surprised at how Palps seemed to care for Vader, odd.

I love the way Palps tells him about Padme dying.

I woner what the 13yr old kids who gre up with TPM think of it?

I'm under the belief that Anakin does want to save Padme, but he almost cares about power more. I think this has a lot to do with the whole Jedi Master thing. Once Mace was dead, he couldn't go back to being a Jedi. He was never going to get his MasterCard (yikes I suck at joking). So sitting there he is probably thinking: Okay, I have learned all about being a Jedi, now I can learn everything from this old fool and then kill him and rule the galaxy. I mean he even says it to Padme before the choke: "I will destroy the Emperor and then we will rule the galaxy, make things the way we want them". I believe in the end, Anakin was just weighing his options and being the most powerful man in power was a lot more enticing than being the most powerful Jedi.

Wrong. Anakin's motivation to turn to the dark side was to gain enough power to do whatever he felt was necessary, and to have whatever he felt he deserved. He was never truly interested in helping Mace, Palpatine, OR Padme -- only himself. I guess for all your insight, you still missed this.

True what Ayatollah says.

Anakins love for Padmé is narcissistic and vain. He's a brat without patience and without insight. His inability to hold a consistant moral stance is his downfall.

Actually, I don't think he's really in love with Padmé. He's in love with the thought being able to love her. He's in love with his capabilities to attract this lovely woman but he can't handle the pragmatics. He's this childish fool who thinks he's everything for everyone, yet he's realizing he cannot commit even to his wife, or the jedi counsel, or something else requiring responsibility. He acted like he just shit his pants when he found out she was pregnant.

Anakin is trying to escape 'cause he can't deal with reality. He's overestimating his powers and integrating them with his overstimulated sense of self. Saving Padmé is an unconcious way of acting out these egoistic feelings and it is a way not to save her wife - but as Ayatollah says - to save himself from all things bothering him. Isolation – on top of the world – is a romantic dream which I guess all power hungry maniacs strive for, like all dictators goal is. It is the perfect way to dissconnnect all social bondings – which are annoying and meaningless – and still being able to controll everyone.

In that way he IS a fullfledged psychopath. He's twisted cause his perception of reality is twisted. Psychopaths elevate themself above all, and blame all consequences on other people, mainly due to the extreme conflict they feel when dealing with pragmatic, everyday issues.

Wait... you mean a Sith lord actually lies?!!?!?

So, let me get this straight. Anakin betrays everyone and everything he's ever believed in... for a lie.

Anakin betrays what he believes in and then the darkside ends up betraying him.

What a freaking shock!

Sorry, but isn't that the whole message that GL is trying to get across? Did Faust get what he wanted? If the darkside was so great, everyone would be switching.

It's in Palpatine's best interest to lie. He NEEDS Anakin's power to seek eternal life. He'll twist him in the wind every direction to get what he wants.

Anakin's turn is perfect in my opinion. In Anakin's opinion, he's got nowhere else to turn other than to Palpatine. He has to see this through if he wants to save his wife.

I'll be back with more in my "review" later.

ps - Tern don't let any of us get in the way of expressing your opinion. A bit of turmoil in the ranks is a good thing.

You seem to be missing Tern's point despite all of your s. He is not disputing the lie - it is Anakin's reaction to the lie that is a little off. Now I don't have as much problem with it as Tern has but I see his point. Anakin had one goal at that point - to save Padme (whether for selfish reasons or not). Palpatine revealed at that moment that he did not have the ability and that is the moment Anakin chooses to pledge himself over.

Just the notion that Sidious knew of this power was enough for Anakin. He needed him more than he needed the Jedi by this point.

The good man that was Anakin Skywalker was now forever consumed by Darth Vader.

It is about dangling that carrot until he is up to his neck in shit and has no choice any more. I think he was up to his neck in shit by that point anyway but I don't think he really realised it until that bridge shot on Mustafar.

I do find it a little odd that, at that stage, Obi-Wan didn't really make all that much of an effort to pull him back. I don't know if it could have been done but Yoda and he had decided to kill him pretty early on. It slightly leaves me wondering where the 'Obi-Wan once thought as you did' line fits but not to worry.

Thing with Vader is, in spite of everything he had done at that point, if anyone was in a position to take out the Emperor it was him. I even thought that's where it was going a little when Palpatine told Yoda that he would become more powerful than both of them - it was almost daring him to try to use Anakin to kill him. If Anakin could have been turned back to the side of good at that point, everything could have been different. There was good in him.

From an audience perspective and from the dialogue spoken by Obi-Wan, Yoda and Padme the moment he is lost is when the lightsaber ignites in front of the younglings. Quite a few references to them are mentioned in the last third of the film.

If he could do that 1) then he'd do anything and 2) be beyond redemption

Precisely - the darkside is offering HOPE to him when the Jedi have turned their back on him in every way - from his POV.

Hope vs. No Hope

I don't understand why people are having such a hard time with this "quick decision" of his. Afterall, Luke's turn to the darkside in Jedi was over the utterance of a single sentence. Of course, Luke had no reason to stay their like his father does.

BTW - Anakin is full of regret at his actions. He knows he's doing the wrong thing. Why else was he crying on Mustafar? In his mind, this is the only way. He thought he could just do these evil things, attain the secrets of the darkside, and walk away. It's only after he turns that he begins to get delusions of grandeur. "I can defeat the Emperor and WE can rule the galaxy together" etc, etc.

Yeah he was forced into choosing Mace or Palpatine but to go from that to killing kids and all of the Jedi is a major leap to take and one which he could have still backed out from.

There was a 'what have I done?' moment of regret and minutes later he's off to the temple for a massacre.

I agree with FB and those that agree with him. Anakin's sole interest after hearing of Palegius' tale was learning the power. As Palpatine keeps reminding him of the power and the dreams keep showing Padme dying, his obsession is the power of stopping death. The love Anakin had for Padme and his child is above everything else, including the Jedi Order.

Remember that Sidious said that after he wiped out the Jedi at the Temple, he would be (paraphrasing) "sufficiently strong in the dark side." It's like karmic exercise: do enough bad stuff and he'd be up to his nose in the dark side, giving him greater power with it. You have to actively embrace the dark side to be powerful in it, and that means being evil. If it meant leaving a long trail of dead people to get to the point he'd be strong enough to save Padme, then so be it.

I didn't want to sound too condescending before, but fuck it, you only to watch the movies to fully understand Anakin's fall.

Which he tossed aside almost immediately and swore his servitude to Palpatine.

There's something very important that I think people are missing, because it comes from TPM and may not be immediately apparent. In Watto's shop, upon discovering his status, Padme asks "you're a slave?" Immediately indignant, Anakin replies "I'm a person and my name is Anakin." But he willingly enslaves himself to Palpatine -- and even gives up his name. As a Sith, he's given up his humanity. It was over right then and there.

I think the five seconds of anguish you're speaking of, FB, might have been when Anakin was looking out the window in the Jedi Council. He was thinking out every scenario right there. I think when the tear trickled down his face he finallly, finally asked himself the question "What would I do to save Padme?" and he answered "Anything."

By the time he kneeled to Sidious he was in shock at who he was just then. But his one, overwhelming thought beat its way through "'Just help me save Padme."

Just my thoughts.

Very true. Anyone who's looking for one particular installment to answer all of the questions and lay bare all of the themes doesn't understand how the series works as a whole.

Krispies, if anything you are solidifying my point. People are saying he wanted power - he got down on his knees in an instant to Palpatine. Out of nowhere he gave up his power to become a slave again. If someone is going to do that in a movie, the journey to that point needs to be solid. It needs to feel like that character has no other choice. Now I think it did get to that place in Ep3 - I just thought he got down on his knees and pledged himself to Palpatine a bit too early.

It can only lead to a bad place! I enjoyed the movie. I really did. And I didn't even have much of an issue with his turn. I thought it was a bit quick but it didn't bother me. I just see Tern's point that's all.



I'll counter that with these -

while we're OT quotes, let's go with...

"Vader was seduced by the dark side of the force"

from left field: i really liked the fact that Sidious acknowledged that Vader would become more powerful than Yoda and himself.

I'm finding this discussion VERY interesting, I'll be seeing it again tonight, so I'll be thinksing about what I have read here and see if it all fits...

On the movie, just some quick thoughts: I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said. Just this...




There is one shot that still hangs in my mind: it is a wide angle pull-out as Yoda and Palps are fighting on the podium as it rises into the main Senate chamber. That chamber is the galaxy, and the two Masters of Good and Evil are competing for control of the galaxy, fighting each other at the center. The music is rising as we pull back, and realize the scope and epic import of the battle occurring.

When I first heard that the fight was going to be in the Senate, I was like 'What the hell? That's gonna be so dumb!' But that shot makes it all so much more symbolic! It, to me, makes the Yoda/Palps duel more important than the Vader/Obi-Wan battle on Mustafar.

I loved this film. And that is what it is, a film. The Star Wars series was considered 'popcorn movies', but Revenge of the Sith changes all of that. These are now FILMS, art that tells an epic story.

9.5/10

But that's because you (and a couple of others) are seeing the kneeling as the moment that should have required the decision. But it had already taken place. He chose to attack a defenseless Mace to protect someone who he already KNEW was a Sith lord (or, really, not to protect Palpatine, but to protect his own interests). His "what have I done" cry, as well as the single tear shed on Mustafar, are the last gasps of the good person inside of him. But it was already too late.

During the slaughter of the Seperatists, I think a droid took a shot at Vaderkin from behind. Vaderkin did not even turn around, swung the 'saber over his shoulder and deflected the laser blast back at the droid without missing a stride.........AWESOME...............

Anakin wasn't such an angel before Episode III either. It's not really a drastic change at all. Remember in TPM when Mace and the council said he wouldn't be trained as a Jedi, he got angry. For 12 years he felt like the council didn't trust him. That's a long time, considering that you're a Jedi and are basically sheltered with the dogmatic ideals when you feel like there's something more to your existence. More fear and anger is going to build up as time goes by. Anakin is being told that he is the chosen one and that he's this great thing. But, the council just flicks their nose right back at him.

Also, with the events that had occured in Episode II such as his mother dying. More fear, and more anger. Plus, falling in love: more greed and more jealousy. Take that into accountability with the distrust of the council. Read Harry Knowles' review. He outlines this very well.

By ROTS, he's pretty stressed out. And he has to make a do or die choice during the Mace vs. Palpatine fight.

Put yourself in Anakin's shoes for that long. What would you do?

EDIT: Plus, with the death of Dooku, Sidious needs another new apprentice. And as we all know, he's been keeping his eye on Anakin for quite a long time.



Yeah. Hands down. By far it was visually the best Star Wars movie. Out of 900 people in the Senator movie theater, me and my buddy were the only ones really getting into these scenes. I went apeshit when he sliced Nute Gunray. Everybody else was silent. I couldn't believe it. Maybe it was just that particular crowd.

Ok have lurked here since December or so, joined recently, and still mainly lurk.

My review of the film:

Moved at a breakneck speed. Wow, the 2+ hours went by like nobody's business. I generally liked AOTC, but that movie felt like it's running time. Not here.

Highlights: Palpatine kicks ass on so many levels. It was good to see him come alive as the Chancellor even before his Emperor guise begins. Obi Wan is nailed by Ewan, and Hayden turns in a solid performance. R2 of course has a lot of funny moments at the beginning and is enoyable. Wonderful effects, etc.

I must say I really enjoyed it tremendously.

Some bad stuff: The Yoda/Emperor duel is good for the most part, except for two things at the end. The Emperor flailing on the pod makes him look weak and not very sith like. Just like some guy hanging on for it. Also, it is not clear why Yoda leaves. I don't think he was doing too bad and he just leaves. Maybe show the troopers entering, and Yoda seeing he would truly be outpowered and then deciding to leave.

I didn't think the Nooooo was that bad, but it needed to be more or not at all. It needed to either be totally shatter your eardrums loud and crazy or have him say nothing. It's in the middle now, and I am not sure that works.

Also, I don't think the sound was nearly loud enough in our theater at all.

The hairbrusing scene is absolutely terrible. Poor acting and deplorable dialogue even for Star Wars.

I must say I personally wanted to kill the younglings around me as they repeatedly walked in front of me, talked, cried, etc. Especially the little bastard directly behind me who sniffed his way through the feature. GET A GODDAMN KLEENEX, YOU FUCK. Well, I suppose I should blame the parents more, but what are you going to do?

Yoda did have to leave. Fighting in the Senate chamber would attract a lot of attention after all. He probably could've killed Sidious. But with so many bodyguards and clones around him now at this time, he doesn't stand a chance. Sidious is Emperor. The Emperor, no matter how weak or powerful you are is going to have a significant amount of protection.

Mike Tyson's a great fighter. He has a lot of bodyguards protecting his ass in public.



Yeah, I know what you mean. It was terrible. The lines could have been different.

But I do understand why Lucas kept that scene. Right afterwards Anakin had the dream about Padme. It's there to show embracement and development before it happens. The lines were just poor.

I'm not arguing with you. I just think it could have been portrayed better, because in my opinion it looks like he just gives up for no reason. Show the impending nature of the confronation or more of Yoda's hopelessness and I think it would have wrapped it up a little better.

You have a point. But right when I saw them lift up into the chamber, I knew it would've attracted attention.

Plus, Mas Amedda (blue-horned guy with sidious behind the desk) had left. Maybe he went to get more help?

You're missing the fact that Anakin has already turned. One thing to note in the movie was Sidious's voice after Anakin cut off Mace's hand. Sidious's voice was low and processed and it was unnatural. A lot of people didn't like it because it didn't sound normal. They didn't like it because they didn't understand WHY Palpatine's voice sounded so processed. The purpose of that was to show that Anakin was already under the spell of Palpatine and was being hypnotised by him. Look at Palpatine's line to Luke in RotJ. "Good, your hate has made you powerful...No strike him down and take your father's place at my side. " Would Luke have conciously made a decision to become an apprentice of Sidious? No, he NEVER would have done that. In fact he actually tried to kill Sidious minutes before.

The point is that there is a LINE between the lightside and the darkside that once it is crossed, you are fully seduced and hypnotically under the darkside's control. Palpatine almost got Luke to cross that line in RotJ. Anakin is shown crying after the Seperatists slaughter because he feels the conflict inside him but he is powerless to stop the dark side. The whole scene of Anakin's turn clears up the Emperor's line at the end of RotJ because it really shows that once you start down the dark path, it will forever dominate your destiny.[/i]

I thought Yoda fled because dropped his saber into the ruble of senate pods and lost it. He fled because of the quote "This weapon is your life". If Palpatine found his saber before Yoda could find his own, he would be dead. Not to mention that you won't last long against a dozen armed shock troopers without a lightsaber.

Question:
Anyone else here less than impressed with SLJ's lightsaber skills?
In AOTC he looked kinda slow and, I dunno.....CLUMSY.......
When I was reading about his '150 something moves through three rooms' he had to learn for his confrontation with Palpatine in ROTS, I was really excited. Well, I guess Lucas cut a whole lot of it, but even so, I was expecting SLJ to look a lot, I dunno, slicker?
I think they should just clipped SLJ's head on someone who could REALLY swing a blade!
I Did like how he disarmed Palpatine though !

Even if SLJ looked slow, he looked like a Cheetah compared to the other three Jedi Master cannon fodder.

I didn't think SLJ was that bad, though. He looked like a master that didn't bother being flashy but moved as little as he could. I'll have to see it again, though.

That hairbrushing scene didnt bother me at all for some reason.

Im looking more at the whole picture. And it just makes me mad how much shit lucas had to put in ROTS when he had 2 earlier movies to slowly develop Anakins fall to the darkside.

The movie felt like Lucas saying: Here one piece, oh heres another now, now this is explained, now this, booom, babies, sunset and good night...

Yeah, it's weird that for all the comments on it the hairbrushing scene didn't bother me at all. In fact, I'll go out on a limb here and say that I thought Anakin and Padme felt much more like an actual couple to me in this movie. I didn't buy their romance in AotC for a second but nothing in this film seemed wrong with it to me. Not sure why but I won't question it!

I totally agree with you buzzfunk about your feelings on the last two movies. I really enjoyed RotS and almost any gripe I have were a result of things not being handled well enough in the previous two films rather than being a flaw in this one.

Except for the Noooo! And the 'she's losing the will to live' And that line Obi-Wan delivers when they get trapped in the Ray Shields. But they are like one line things that just didn't click with me, that's all.

I do think that whole Order 66 sequence was brilliant. I know some people read novelisations and felt there was stuff missing or whatever but I didn't read those and to me it was great. I didn't think poor ol' Aayla acted her death all that well but Ki-Adi Mundi's look as he turned was fantastic. I didn't give a rat's ass about him in Ep1 or 2. I thought he looked goofy. That one shot made me feel for him so much. I don't even know who the actor is but, man, did he nail that shot. Great stuff.

my dogs review of the film.....
what is being missed in all this in lucas pulled of another love story...only this time a tragic one...as an adult who grew up with star wars this one really moved me it was sad to see anakin's fall from grace....every duel in this movie was out of control it sure lived up to its hype on the saber duels....
on yoda i was impressed at how that was handled...he was so close to ending it and failed...and how great was it that sids tried to run away...
obi wan was nailed what a great job there in the end duel you actually feel his pain(you actually feel his pain from the time he realizes what anakin has done)
palpatine was great his seduction of anakin was very well done in the movie...he showed his master manipulation skills of a weaker minded being(anakin)
as for the hair brushing scene...not that bad it was lucas trying to show that while this insane adult world was going on around them they were just 2 kids in love maybe im giving lucas to much credit but i think he was trying to show the immaturity of the 2 how they were still just kids in a very adult situation
maybe it cuz i waited so long to see this film thru all the years of rumors and wispers but i found nothing wrong with it at all....and i know im gonna get slammed but i think it beats empire

SLJ's lightsaber skills were graceful, IMO. He's seems to be the kind of person where he strikes only if it will make impact. He waits for the right time. And he did when they got near the window.

It's like Gary Shaffield's swing on the Yankees. He's got a very elaborate swing like the fighting style of Anakin and Obi-Wan but doesn't hit THAT many home runs. And Mace fights like how Ken Griffey Jr. swings the bat. Ken Griffey is not big, powerful, or even that fast. But that swing can send a lot of home runs.. Even through a window in Camden Yards.

Plus, he was taken by surprise in the beginning. That's why he dodged away a lot.

Kinda funny, but that's an analogy I understand for myself. Hehe.