Miles ahead of episodes 1 and 2. . . fantastic, despite obvious flaws that are found in damn near every film. Lucas is a visual director and terrible at dialogue. He's about emotions, story, and visuals. If you can get past some clunkiness in direction, the film is truly emotional. It's in no way the greatest film ever (Star Wars is entertainment afterall, not really a cinematic opus) but it was damn good.

has anyone found any differences between the digital version and the film version?

well... what can i say about ROTS?



imo the best of all 6

i have completely spoiled myself on ROTS .. and i thought i knew what it would be like.. it was MUCH better than i expected.

the love scenes were NOT cheesy.. perhaps just the hairbrushing scene... but nowhere near as bad as AOTC.

palps vs mace and palps vs yoda and the temple purge scenes... shocked me !
the temple purge i was most taken by.. i never thought id see anything so beautifully evil...

empire strikes back was better in alot of ways.. but this one is alot more breathtaking.

and it takes a really good movie to get me this excited.

Joe I wouldn't go THAT far. Take a look at his legacy star wars site. It seems he can get things right that Lowry Digital and Lucasfilm can't.

His website is www.mikeverta.com

Now I'm wondering...will the next DVD release get things right or will we be watching funky versions of the OT for the rest of our lives? Really kinda bugs...sorta off topic I guess.

Dont get me wrong, it has its moments, that brought tears to my eyes, yoda dropping his walking stick, wow... but still, I must totatly agree with the fact that this movie could of been so much better if the sound/music edit didnt feel so out of wak at places.

But how in the HELL can you release a product like that? Wouldn't you see you were messing things up from the very first few scenes? Sorry I don't want to get off track. That's the last I will say on that.

I think the movie gets better the more you watch it. The first time i saw it, i didn't really know what to make of it, but after a few viewings you begin to notice the subtleties, the detail and it plays much better for it. Couple of things -Portmans voice seems a liitle huskier, a little older in this film. Can't quite place it but she seems more a woman and less a girl this time round. The film is not better than empire. I have some gripes and i think the film could have been made better with some small changes. But overall very good.

Well first off the music reversal thing is insanely stupid. And to have the color so far off that things like lasers and lightsabers as well as entire scenes look obviously wrong (we're talking wrong colors here) is pretty shameful. There are just numerous problems. Ack, guess I lied in my last post.

I didn't expect to see bitching about the OT DVDs in a topic about Episode III.

I tend to agree with Mike,

I won't spew all the nitpicks, (already had my say) but by god this had a chance to really be much much better then it was.

And I didn't hate it, I just didn't love it.

Wow, that has to be one of the most depressing movies I have ever seen. I do think it was a good film, but not as great as I thought it would be. It is def the best of the PT, but I'm not sure if it's better than any of the OT. I will have to view the film many more times in order to determine it's place. The movie went by so fast I didn't get a chance to breathe.

I loved it and can't wait to see it again.
Like some I never was a big Yoda fan but with AOTC and now this film I must say that he is awesome.
I especially loved how he threw his saber into a clone and then jumped on him and pulled it out not to mention how he handled the guards.
My favorite Yoda line was when he says to Sidious "If so powerful you are, why do you run?" or something along them lines.
I wish the scene where Obi Wan carries him as if he were a baby Jedi were in there. I was actually looking for it.
I guess I'm one of the few that loved the Mace/Sidious duel.
I was hoping that Kit Fisto and the other Jedi with Mace would put up a better fight.
Loved the Yoda/Sidious duel and especially the shot of them coming out of the Senate floor.
About some of the so called cheesey love lines, maybe some have never been in love but I've used this kind of dialog before, mushy as it may be and find it very realistic and fitting for the situation between Padme and Anakin. I mean they hardly ever see each other so when they do they're lovey dovey.
I guess I'll go out on a limb and say this is my favorite SW film.
I actually like TPM and especially AOTC and have watched them countless times. Maybe I'm just easily entertained compared to some die hards but my philosophy for movies is simply "were you entertained?"
The answer for this movies is hell yes!! As far as the violence, we've always had dismemberments in SW, just multipy them a few times and add a barbecue in there.
I'm taking my five year old son to see it tomorrow!!!He loves Grevious.
I can't wait to get my hands on the DVD. Until then I'm gonna have to keep an eye peeled for one of those flea market bootlegs complete with crowd noise and people getting up to hit the restroom..
In short........IT ROCKED!!

Now after multiple viewings, I can say it is the best of the PT but doesn't scratch the OT. I think it's the best of the PT because there isn't any parts I want to skip over. In TPM, I always feel like skipping parts. In AOTC, the same. This though, I can watch through and through all the time. ESB will always be the best because it was the original dark movie. It had the potential to be better but fell flat IMO.

I went and saw the movie again today.

I can now precisely pin-point the part when the plot lost all credibility...

Just after Palps kills Mace and tries to lure Anakin to the dark side, Palps tells Anakin he doesn't know how to sustain life.

That one utterance from Palps mouth fucks up everything that made the fall plausible.

ha...also I liked the fact that when the window on the bridge of the cruiser was smashed open, Obi and Ani nearly got sucked out while the chancellor ducked behind a chair. Next moment, there is no wind, nothing...hahaha

Ternian, I could agree with that but we can't truly know what was going on in Anakin's head. I think the reasons for his believing Sidious went beyond what we saw in the film but was mentioned, him being a lifelong friend and mentor and someone he trusted.

Yeah, but the only reason Anakin went with Siddy was because he knew how to save Padme...if Palps cant save her, Anakin has no reason to turn.


EDIT: Actually, if Siddy doesn't know, then Anakin is better of trying with the Jedi

i thought that line made perfect sense. no where has it actually been proved that plageius or sidious EVER achieved that power. remember that lies and deciet are the way of the sith. palpatine took control of the entire galaxy with lies and deciet. palpatine told anakin EXACTLY what he wanted to hear. nothing wrong with that.

Ternian, ever watched the original trilogy? Remember how once you start down the dark path, forever does it dominate your destiny? Anakin started down the dark path when he slaughtered the sand people and it continued into ROTS. The moment he betrayed Mace, the final hooks were in. He had no choice but to obey his new master. Watch the near reluctance in his expression and inflection as he bows to Sidious.

Actually, everything about Padme in the movie goes against the character we have known during the last two movies. Remember her character arc?

There are things I cannot do.
I cannot judge those who are different to me.
I cannot sit when something must be done.
There are things I cannot do.
But there are certainly things I can do.

Well, the girl who never sits still sure does nothing as Palpatine welcomes in his Empire...and she doesn't do too much to look after her twins...

Meh.

Anakin's troubles over the whole Council debacle was also flawed. Anakin knew Palpatine was putting him in there just as advisor; so why was he pissed off he wasn't elected Master? He is NOT on the Council...he even admits this when Obi-Wan is talking to him in the Jedi hallway. So he's not on the council, why is he whinging about Master status??

Also, Anakin should have no problems spying on Palpatine. He doesn't represent Palpatine at all under he Jedihood. If anything, his gripes should have sent alarm bells ringing in Obi-Wan's head that Anakin no longer served the Jedi but the Chancellor.

I'm subscribing to the "well I just helped murder a Jedi Master, so fuck it." mentality. He was clinging to anything he could by then. When people fall, they rarely take baby steps and then right themselves--they speed full throttle into nadir.

I bought it just fine. Anakin came across massively torn and confused, and then in major denial of his actions.

By the way, I loved the flick. I will have to see it a few times, because it was so much damn movie to absorb, but it hit some very emotional notes. Can't wait to have a dvd of it to watch them all in order.

This was a big plot hole as well. How did they ever defeat the Sith in the first place if they can't kill??

um Tern, these aren't flaws in the story or some miraculous plot holes you've discovered...

....it's just that you weren't watching or you're distracting yourself looking for these things, in the meantime the movie is unravelling but you're not seeing it. Seriously, I scratching my head here trying to get around these nuances that concern you.

Help a brother out here....

It's not like Mace was happy with what he thought he had to do. He was seriously conflicted, hence his hesitation to strike quickly. Jedi kill in self defense. Like cops. They try to catch the bad guy, but if they have no other choice, they fire.

In most instances, a sith won't let you haul em off to jail.

Mace told him once more he was under arrest but he had to blast him with lightning. At that point, simply arresting him was out of the question. Like Palpatine told Anakin about Dooku, he was too dangerous to be kept alive (though in Dooku's case, I'm sure that wasn't true).

I really loved it. It had everything I had ever wanted...and it was the most emotional SW movie of them all. Yet i feel so sad...not disappointed but perhaps empty because its all over. ROTS was fulfilling, but I'm so sad there will be no more. Two things everyone I talked to (in person) agreed on: "Must see it again" and "I want to watch ANH right now."

Mace tried to arrest him twice. Once at the beginning and a second time after he beat him. Palpatine wouldn't give up. It was at this point Mace decided to kill him. It's not a plot hole.

I got a chuckle earlier on when I realised how Lucas trumped the majority of fans by not having Obi-Wan walking away as the final shot, but by having Owen and Beru looking out over the binary sunset.

Fucking sublime IMO.

Jen - my girlfriend refused to be spoiled for the movie so we went in as exact opposites in terms of what we knew etc. I told her after the movie about the Qui Gon scene and she said she thought it wasn't needed because she was surprised about it just like Obi Wan. So the audience gets to be surprised along with the character. I personally think it would be better with the scene in there since it ties up the entire series in many ways really, but that's just one more casual viewers reaction.

Also I heard my brother say towards the end of the movie "This is way better than the first two." Everyone I went with (girlfriend, brother and sister) really liked it.

These three films felt like they were written at the same time. Unlike the first ones. Notice, no incest mishaps in these ones. Hehehe. After seeing ROTS, the first two episodes feel like a setup for this one. Didn't feel that way about the OT. OT still better though. No one will argue that.

i think from reading his responses that Tern was way too "spoiled" as it were. he wasn't watchin the movie or the story, he was dissecting it. the OT's got just as many holes and just as much confusion about dialogue.

im suprised alot of people liked Grevious as much as they did, i didn't like the voice at all, the voice from Clone Wars was much cooler and fit the character better, and the coughing was kinda pointless....i mean with all this technology you can't give him some nyquil or somthing? give him an artificial lung? meh good movie.

he did go out like a bitch though, lucky he had so many hands.

I loved Ian during the whole entire Mace vs. Palpatine scene. I loved the way he acted. I didn't think he was over the top at all. I thought it was perfectly done. I loved the line, "No, no, no, YOU WILL DIE!" Don't forget, it's been a thousand years since the Sith ruled the galaxy, and now it has finally come. With greed and anger by your side, you may be a little over the top as well. At least that's the way I see it.

SLJ was okay. A couple lines had good delivery from him.

Ewan was the best in the movie, IMO. He looks like he has a lot more fun playing Obi-Wan.

Overall, the movie was just about what I had expected, and I am very pleased with it. There are some scenes that even surprised me. And the acting in some scenes was worth to note about.

It was faster than I thought. 140 minutes seemed like 90 mins. Maybe that's cause the movie's so good?

Maybe Lucas could've had the 2 scenes with Mon Mothma and the Senators discussing the Petition of the 2,000. That would've been cool to see the roots on the Rebel Alliance.

I wish it would've showed Yoda landing on Kashyyk. That would've been cool and nostalgic.

My only harsh gripe was no voiceover for Qui-Gon. WHY THE F*CK did Lucas cut this out?!?!?!?!?!?! It's the best part of the script in any Star Wars movie that has to do with the transcendance of the force. Damnit! WHY!?


BYW, I saw it twice already. I liked it better the 2nd time.
And, after watching the movie, Lucas did a good job with cutting out most of the scenes in the beginning half. A lot of it was redundant and would've had poor dialogue.

Liam was unavailable for filming

Huh? I thought his voice was already in there like in Ep II. I was under the impression that Lucas just cut it out.

about the kid naming thing... I didn't see this being unrealistic. You know women, they start thinking of names for their kids before they even reach puberty.



they're allowed to kill when nessicary, Anakin was just being a bitch. Had he stepped into the office like ten seconds earlier he would have seen Palpatine fighting with Mace and his opinion would have been different on the situation.

Actually, I went in WATCHING the movie...and as I have pointed out, Anakin's turn is not quite believable on screen, and I was with four other, unspoiled people who all thought the same thing.

At the end of the day, this isn't a bad movie, but those claiming it is; perfection, the best, academy award material...are seriously deluded.

I've seen it twice now and I just love this movie so much. It's by far the bets of all the six Star Wars films. It's the most emotional one and has the best acting. Especially Hayden was outstanding, totally brilliant. Empire Strikes back ranks 2nd on my list and AOTC 3rd.

wow! really? ok, everyone has their opinion... but I loved every second of Ian...



I absolutely agree.

Your anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything Ternian. I was with three other people who all thought it was great. Where does that leave things? Just off handedly saying that anyone who thinks its great is deluded is silly (who thinks its going to win an oscar? A pretty meaningless award anyway...) I seem to remember you saying the reasons for Anakins turn were awesome a few months back when you were withholding spoilers for a later date.

"Its really tragic. Anakin can't let go, he can't accept change...and once he starts on the path of the Dark Side, forever it dominates his destiny."

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I think hoarding spoilers for months on end and playing a bunch of freakin ridiculous mind games so you can get a bunch of TFN glory is what's deluded, not people who think this movie is good. What really gets me is you spend so much time on this crap and you apparently don't even like it. And you deride those who do. Yet you still let them practically worship you cuz you had the goods. Get over yourself and find something you DO like instead of telling those who do they're idiots.

I felt more for Anakin and Obi-Wan in the first half hour of Ep3 than I did in Ep1 and Ep2 combined. It was the first time that I saw a likeable side to Anakin. I totally disagree with your comment. One of the things I came out thinking after Ep3 was just how much of Ep1 and 2 were just wasted on shit. Jar Jar was unbearable - however, if there was a good reason for his existence then maybe that pain would not have been in vain. After Ep3, nope he was pointless. The Naboo 'officials' sitting on their asses talking like they have rods up their asses? Waste of time. Qui-Gon and Maul? Both excellent, but ultimately a waste of screen time that should have been spent developing Anakin and Obi-Wan or a consistant villain. Boss Nass? Don't even get me started. Anakin as a young child? This was his hugest mistake I think. It's that Ep1 and Ep2 were handled badly that led to some of the problems in Ep3 in my opinion - specifically Anakin's instant turn to the Dark Side.

But I actually started to like Anakin at the start of Ep3. Too little too late but it helped the film a lot.

well there's no such thing as a perfect movie. I don't think anyone has claimed it to be perfect. The best...? well that's certainly objective. Yes, I believe it's the best in the saga, but that is my personal opinion. Academy Award winning material it is, for sound and effects - yes, for acting or film or director - no.

the problem is that people wanted anakin to be likeable like luke was. truth be told anakin is not a likeable character. overly ambitious, chip on shoulder, and lusting for power. luke was reluctant to gain power. he didn't even want to help obi wan till owen and beru were killed. we're made to sympathize with luke and cheer for him and pity anakin cause we see how a genuinely good person can make mistakes and turn evil.

"Truth be told"? SW is a biography?

I was under the impression it was a work of fiction. And if you're going to have a trilogy center on a character it should be one you can empathise with, someone likeable. Doesn't mean they have to be nice. After all, some of the mean-bastard gangsters in Goodfellas are likeable. In fact Palpatine is a great example - he's the meanest asshole in the Galaxy and has more charisma than Anakin had in Ep1 or 2.

I saw ROTS yesterday, I can't explain with words how much I loved it. This was much more than I could ever hope or dream of. It's a perfect piece of movie history and an instant classic.

I loved absolutely everything about the movie, but here are the few things that I was less positive about:

-the re-use of some of the TPM-music (even if it was re-recorded for this or not) But that said, it worked out perfectly anyway, the only problem is that you strongly associate other things with the music that was used.

-some of the talking-scenes after they'd saved Palpatine. I know these scenes are gonna get more interesting in time, but I kind of lost attention at these scenes. Nevertheless, it plays a good part in building up the action Ep. IV-style.

That's about it. I also see why some people don't like Vader's "noo" at the end, but I read the spoiler about this last year or something, and Doc Ock in Spidey 2 had a similar "nooo" that didn't work at all, so I was kind of prepared for it not being the best thing ever. It didn't really bother me, and I'm sure I'm gonna get used to it.

What I really, really, really, really LOVED:

-Yoda - I was never a huge fan. I respected him for his wisdome, but now I finally know what a great Jedi he is. The point where order 66 is executed, and he jumps back and takes care of the clone troopers...it's *sooo* cool!! Every scene with him is totally great.

-Palpatine - I was never a huge fan of him either, but now HE is the master. I love his turn to the sith-look, totally crazy 70's style. Reminded me of old vampire movies. He looks so creepy and crazy, and the fight between him and Yoda is just the best. You kind of feel sorry for him at some points, like when Mace is about to finish him, and even if you know he's becoming the most vicious bastard ever, you don't want him to die.

-Hayden/Anakin - the perfect portrayal of the greatest movie character ever. I couldn't picture anybody but Hayden in the role, he's perfect, all the way through. He's the only new prequel actor I will always think "Star Wars" when I see, he's invested everything he got into the role, like Mark and Carrie did in the OT, and I think that's really respectable.

-Darth Vader (in the suit) - short but sweeeeet scenes. I love how he just asks about Padmé after he's rebuilt, it's so weird and personal, it kind of echoes the last scenes with him from ROTJ where all he cares about is Luke. Having him stumble is a nice touch, symbolises how Anakin has fallen and how a new sith lord has been born. As proven in AOTC with Anakin's mechanical arm, technology isn't perfect at this point, and it would be kind of weird if he started walking again like nothing had happened.

-Obi-Wan - Ewan is finally believable in the role of General Kenobi. You believe that he really cares about Anakin, and it makes the whole saga stronger. You kind of see now that he's not just after destroying him in the OT, but deep down inside he hopes Luke can turn him back.

-The reasons for Anakin's turn - I'm so happy that Georgie went with a different and more emotional take on why you should join the dark side, than what was done in the OT and what is usually done in SW games and books and such. It's great that Anakin had a real reason, and he didn't just turn for the hell of it.

-The death of the Jedi's - very sad to see all the great jedi's that you've learned to know over the past 6 years being killed. These were the most perfect scenes of the movie.

-The ending - from where they start rebuilding Vader and onwards, it's almost like watching a movie from the 70's, and I love every minute of it.

The rest was also oh so lovable. I can't wait to see it again!!

A *BIG* THANK YOU TO GEORGE LUCAS, for all the movies and all the years!! Cheers m8!!!

I think hoarding spoilers for months on end and playing a bunch of freakin ridiculous mind games so you can get a bunch of TFN glory is what's deluded, not people who think this movie is good.

Hahahahaha... you're a twat. I wasn't hoarding months of spoilers. You sound a bit jaded you didn't have the power you think I had...

What really gets me is you spend so much time on this crap and you apparently don't even like it. And you deride those who do. Yet you still let them practically worship you cuz you had the goods. Get over yourself and find something you DO like instead of telling those who do they're idiots.

Are you going through puberty or something? Just wondering...you've got a lot of pent up anger there...

I never said I didn't like it - I said I was disappointed with it and there were plot holes. You've obviously missed my post where I pointed out what I liked about it and the other posts where I explained my points.

Tern: I can now precisely pin-point the part when the plot lost all credibility...

Just after Palps kills Mace and tries to lure Anakin to the dark side, Palps tells Anakin he doesn't know how to sustain life.

That one utterance from Palps mouth fucks up everything that made the fall plausible.
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I didn't read Palps' line that way at all. The way he says "Working together, I'm sure we can discover the secret", in that mocking tone, just like "I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive", makes me think this statement is not a statement of fact - rather, it's a threat.

Now that Anakin has helped him to kill Mace, Palps is forcing Skywalker to fall the rest of the way to the dark side by threatening to take away the last thing he can cling to. The Jedi won't help him now that he's basically an accessory to Windu's murder. And now, Palpatine won't help him either unless he pledges alliegiance. It doesn't even matter whether Palpatine really has the power to save Padme, because Anakin (1) believes he does and (2) believes that Palpatine will deny him this power unless he goes along with Palps' plans.

I think this interpretation makes that scene a lot more satisfying.

Hey Tern... just wanted to back your take on the Anakin motivation flaws. I saw the film with 2 women who didn't know the story and a friend of mine who did. We briefed the girls about the basic plot, but that's it. In the end, they were quick to point out, as we were, that Anakin's dark side motivation, as clearly defined in the movie, is to save Padme from dying. (In case you were to miss it, I think Anakin says that 6000 times or so.)

But as soon as he decides that Padme is worth saving enough to chop off Mace's hand and Mace gets thrown through the window, then Palpatine admits it was bullshit.

So then Anakin says, WHAT?! I just KILLED a leading member of the council for nothing?! And now you want me to go hack up some children? And even THEN I won't be able to save Padme, because you were full of shit the whole time? Fuck you! And then there's this great battle between the Emperor and Anakin, and Anakin wins but has a lot of explaining to do.

Oh, wait...

No, that's not right. Here it is: Once he realizes that his one last hope for saving Padme is gone, he figures he better find something else to do, and why not get in some sword practice. It'll help him take his mind off how utterly fucked his wife is, and how fucked he is for helping kill Mace, and how generally fucked up his whole existence is since now he's blown everything. So he just goes ape-shit and kills everyone The End.


This movie was very confusing. There was some sort of conflict Anakin was having when he walked in on Mace and the Emperor, but I couldn't figure out what it was. I was afraid I was going to go to my grave not knowing, but then fortunately the Emperor shouted, "YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE!" I didn't know what he meant. But then the Goodyear Blimp floated by the window with the big sign on the side saying, HE HAS TO CHOOSE... and I was like, Huh? But then when the big subtitle came up on screen saying THIS IS AN IMPORTANT MOMENT. ANAKIN HAS TO CHOOSE BETWEEN HELPING MACE (GOOD) OR HELPING THE EMPEROR (BAD), I was like.. WHOA...That is some good storytelling.

And when the Emperor said Order 666. That was so amazing. It was like, they were Betrayed. They were totally Betrayed, like when Dad wouldn't let me take out the car that one time. You can't imagine how powerful that was. I was totally crying. My Dad totally doesn't understand me. Just like Anakin.. nobody understands him, you know? He's like.. totally conflicted. And Alone. He hurts, and nobody understands him. It's so powerful and deep. Ohmygod this is the most powerful movie they ever did made. Oh Shit mom says I have to get off the computerLOL

Saw it again last night. Throw me on the "better the second time" bandwagon, even though I really liked it opening night. I really think this film has a much more focused story unlike the last two, and again, I enjoyed the dialogue scenes AS MUCH as the action.

The arrest scene did get better for me, as did the "no," and I'd like to think it was the personal baggage I'd brought in, in hoping those scenes would be so fucking monumentally fantastic that I had to be let down.

Both times though, parts of the audience actually laughed at the "No, no, no," Sidious line. He is great in this movie, but I'd say the couple of off moments are also his as well.

And my buddy actually thought it was too dark: "Not as good as the first one (Hope), the last hour and a half was just so fucking depressing."

EDIT:

I thought the same thing when I first watched the arrest scene, and I still think it could've been handled better. It was the second half of the movie that cemented Anakin's thought process for me, particulary the scenes with Padme before and on Mustafar. It's there we realize his motivation more fully, understand how delusional he's become, all that jazz.

I do think it's odd how the second half of the film is required to understand THAT key moment more fully, and in that sense the scene does not work so well on first viewing.