Hall Of Fame • DarthFirst Original Trilogy 2004 DVD Edition Set Thread

DarthFirst · Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 85

The ROTJ Star Destroyer crash looks good to me - looks like it's been re-comped or something.

I've been getting PMs asking about changes made to the trilogy - go back through this strand and you'll see what they are, however, just to confirm:

- No, the Imperial March has NOT been added to A New Hope

- No, there are no new scenes.

- Yes, the sabers are inconsistent (often even within a scene) but overall there are probably only a dozen or so shots throughout the trilogy that have been redone badly (pink saber, Luke's white saber in a few shots etc)

- I have already posted loads of screencaps (look back over this thread) of practically every change noted, plus commentary clips

- No I haven't posted many Jedi pics because it's freely available everywhere, so what's the point. Likewise with pack shots.

- No, I'm not responsible for the ROTJ rip. That is from someone else.

I won't be responding to any more PMs that ask questions that have already been covered a number of times in this thread.

ForceFreak · Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 19 Location: West Coast

Hey Darthfirst just 2 little questions.

1. Battle of Yavin : Is R2 still B/W?

2. Did they fix the Audio-Delay in Empire ?
I'm talking about the shot where Luke runs out of the Wampas Lair und u can cleary hear that the Lightsaber turns off too early.

Thx

TiniTinyTony · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 451

The only thing I want to know is when the bitorrent links for IV and V are going to be up. Or maybe the digital artist is still hard at work.

Good idea: Naboo in ROTJ
Bad idea: Hayden in ROTJ

foxbatkllr · Joined: 24 Apr 1981 Posts: 600 Location: San Diego

The_SAGA · Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 2

I also wanna see pictures of the box and discs thats the only real way to prove it 1 way or the other. Cmon DF, show us the goods. And yes I do have the right to make this post so stfu in advance you flamers

smess · Joined: 04 Aug 2004 Posts: 2

There is an interesting picture at the following link (a John Williams fan site). Does anyone know if this picture of Vader's death scene is legit? Everything I have seen states that only the ghost of Anakin has changed in the DVD of ROTJ, but not the actual death scene. Does anyone know if this is a real screen capture or not??

http://jwfan.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=5194&start=350

The picture is about 3/4 of the way down the page.

Golic · Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Posts: 34

DarthFirst · Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 85

E_CHU_TA! · Joined: 04 Aug 2004 Posts: 283

For the record DF, I'm more dissatisfied with the lack of continuity in Vader's ROTS suit than I am about the white saber.

Still, it is annoying:

DarthFirst · Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 85

you are officially hilarious. i hope that wasn't a webcam pic.
by the way who gave me the box-set avatar?! i love it!

TiniTinyTony · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 451

DarthFirst avatar is the box set. All my doubts can finally be laid to rest.

DarthFirst · Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 85

... back covers are same style as Prequels; use menu pics
(ANH= Tatooine, ESB=Dabobah, ROJ= Jabba Palace)

in the top corners, summary of the film over main graphic
(ANH= X-Wings attack Death Star, ESB= When AT ATs Attack, ROJ = Falcon fleeing Death Star 2).

I'm sure these are all over the web. The cover design & spines nicely compliment the PTs when on the shelf together.

... I'm not taking them into work to scan them - not a good vibe me walking around with Star Wars DVDs months before they're out.

I really haven't got time to type out the movie summaries either - you know what happens in 'em anyway!

I'm sure the covers are out there - do a Google search.

seeya
DF

smess · Joined: 04 Aug 2004 Posts: 2

DarthFirst · Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 85

Hey all

I found the out-takes reel on the bonus disc last night - it's pretty cool, a compilation of out-takes along with DVD credits similar to the PT goof reels.

Footage of stormtroopers falling over as they board the Blockade Runner, Luke running from Giant Cardboard Rancor (!).

Also, Billy Dee unable to remember his lines aboard the Falcon, Luke confronting Vader on Endor and screwing up his lines, lots more.

Best of all is Vader picking up Palpatine and Palp's cosutume falling off.

pjvader · Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:53 am Post subject: Re: Found the out-takes

TheSessler · Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:30 pm Post subject:

Really? Is is a lengthy one, like 3 or 4 minutes?

DarthFirst · Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 85

It's around 4:30 (PAL) in duration, and it's awesome.

I have NO IDEA how to find it, I found it using DVD Shrink to unlock the files so I could find it, no luck on my normal DVD player!

Ziggy · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:02 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the description DarthFirst! :heavymetal:

All the others have been accessed by keying 1 1 3 8 in the options menu. Maybe tht'll help narrow your search.

dylan · Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 661

beckmen · Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 23

Are the 5.1 tracks as kick-ass as they are for TPM and AOTC? Or is it just basically matrixed 5.1 (essentially DPL, really) like a lot of older movies get...?

walker32 · Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 18

wow, that is definitely legit. I don't really like the inserts though.

TK432 · Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 89

by the time those would ship. it would be out in stores.

lol

pjvader · Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:16 pm Post subject:

invisiblehalo · Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 1

im from australia and i ordered a region 1 WS boxset, just cos Im a completist.
Got a call from the comic store today, its in already.

im gonna have a late night tonight...

beckmen · Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 23

The actor is the same, but they have enhanced it by re-coloring Shaw's (the actor who played Old Ani) eyes to match Hayden's and removing the catterpillar eyebrows.

andrew71 · Joined: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 4

This is my first post here but I've been lurking for quite a while...

I received the DVDs today. I'm in the UK and managed to get on an early shipment of the Region 1 boxset.

The blooper/credits reel is Title 38 on the bonus disc. I've not worked out how to actually access it through the menus yet, but went directly to it using PowerDVD. Presumably it is accessible using the 1 1 3 8 code mentioned above but I haven't worked out which menu it needs to be entered from yet...been too busy watching ANH... New Jabba - good but TPM looked better, maybe because of the very bright conditions. There's also a very obvious matte box around one of the TIEs during the attack on the Falcon, although I was viewing using a projector and blacks aren't perfect on it but it was very distracting.

Anyone concerned about Irvin Kershener's apparent inclusion on the commentaries for all three films (as seen in the leaked Dutch(?) covers) will be pleased to know that he is only listed on the commentary for TESB now.

And Vader's pink saber in certain shots in ROTJ is, I'm afraid to say, still pink. The clashing sabers shot in front of the Emporer is very poor, in my opinion.

DarthFirst · Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 85

No change in cantina and tauntauns subtly tweaked to smooth some of the stop-motion effect. cheers

Ziggy · Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:47 am Post subject:

Thanks for all the info you shared with us DarthFirst. :heavymetal:

Somehow I doubt any of the people who gave you grief will bother to apologise.

jamieiso · Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 16 Location: UK

Yep, that shot has definately been redone.

I just checked it against my SE copy. Not only is it a new model of 3PO, its a new landspeeder and a new coloration of the whole scene.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jamiebenning/3po.jpg

Faid · Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 445

I always thought the redone Tatooine shots were the worst in the Special Editon. Maybe it's a combo of the clarity and redone special effects but that doesn't look too bad.

What's with the blue engines though?

TiniTinyTony · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 451

Blue engines? Who knows. The artist's favorite color? Thank goodness Lucas fixed that scene. Those two seconds of film were REALLY bothering me. Wink

crs1022 · Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 6

Just a heads up, the OS just posted a story on the DVD producer Van Ling. On the last page of the story is a picture of Luke on the Millenium Falcon and he clearly has a blue lightsaber, not a white saber. I believe this may debunk the WIP denials. We'll se on the 21st! ;)

Ziggy · Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:24 pm Post subject:

The menus were produced seperately by Van Ling and co.

The sabre footage in the film is unchanged.

crs1022 · Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 6

"The menus were produced seperately by Van Ling and co."

That's a ridiculous claim. The menu's a completed using footage from the film. This photo is on the Official Site for christ's sake! Also, thedigitalbits.com has posted their review of the actual dvd and the changes, and they specificaly state that all of the lightsabers have been changed throughout the film.

"Anybody got a link to that Van Ling thing?"

This is at starwars.com on the front. click next at the bottom of the article until you get to the last page.

Mentasm · Joined: 04 Aug 2004 Posts: 55

And yet they make no mention of the inconsistency of the saber colours that we've already seen in various screen caps in these forums. The DVD producers could have easily touched up the shots for the menus. Hell, they added enough other stuff to the scene!

I particularly like this Van Ling quote though:

"Some character names have been different in some languages since the films were first released," says Ling. "In Italy, for example, Leia has always been Princess Lela. The question is 'This is what these people know. This is what they grew up with. Do you keep that or do you change that?'."

Good question! I think Lucas has already answerd it though Wink

Sardonicus · Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 8

crs1022 · Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 6

"Not sure what that has to do with Van Ling producing the menus. Van Ling did do the menus."

I'm not disputing that Van Ling did the menus, just that the image of Luke with a BLUE saber on the Falcon is from the restored film since it was used to create the dvd menu, and therefore the white saber is fixed in the final version of the movie.

On a side note, I seem to be having trouble quoting people's responses to my messages (ie: the gray boxes around responses). Can someone tell me what I might be doing wrong?

reala · Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 14

How about that scene in Dagobah when Luke fights Vader where you can CLEARLY see Yoda wanking off by a tree; surely that's been removed for the dvd?

TheKenobi · Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 21

I can't get over how impressive the saber duel between " The Kenobi " and Vader is now. Not only were the saber effects corrected, the sound has been altered and the sabers now sound more consistent with the other 5 films. I also love how if you notice very closely, they sped the framerate up during the duel to eliminate the unsightly pauses that were so indicative of the original. Now it TRULY appears as it always should have, the two greatest warriors in the universe going at it!

Star Wars owns you. :heavymetal:

Sardonicus · Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 8

Ziggy · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:47 pm Post subject:

The trampoline thing is an urban legend.

Think logically for a second.

Most sets are wood. Steam machines make noise. Fans blow stuff around. Sabers clashing are sticks hitting each other. Voices are drowned out by all this stuff.

99% of all sound in sci fi films, including dialogue, is recorded during post production.

Why would they add trampoline noise?

dylan · Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 661

Ziggy · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:35 pm Post subject:

Right. I'm not saying he didn't bounce, but there's no way they added a trampoline sound to specifically point out that error.

Jeordie · Joined: 19 May 2004 Posts: 70

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/feature/20040908/indexp3.html#8

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/feature/20040908/img/20040908_p3_2_bg.jpg

pjvader · Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:41 am Post subject: