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Post Posted: May 10th 2005 8:40 pm
 

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Sorry, that just doesn't make any sense. The whole ideology of the Jedi *is* based on absolutes. Their whole existence revolves around a "code." A dogma. That is living by absolutes.


Yes, but my whole point is that Obi Wan is brought up within this code. He lives, breathes, eats, and shits this code. He is speaking from his point of view at that time.


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There's always a bigger fish?


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feel the love.


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Jesus, did we somehow switch over to the TFN servers or something? :roll:


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fit for the jedi archive.


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youre about 10 hours late, however, and in the wrong forum. And apparenlty youre a glue-eater

If Im late, maybe its because i dont waste all my day sticking to my computer and looking for star wars news like u do.

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If im in the wrong forum , maybe its because u shutted down the other thread

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And what the fuck does the word glue-eater mean ? No thx, I prefer pizza.
Get a life asshole


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Jesus, did we somehow switch over to the TFN servers or something? :roll:


Sounds more to me like some previously banned shitheads returning under new names.


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If im in the wrong forum , maybe its because u shutted down the other thread


I feel something else is going to get shutted down soon...


Post Posted: May 10th 2005 9:09 pm
 

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oops, i made my quote last too long.
Anyway, do u seriusly think i was serious with the fish insult ? I mean, u really think i would use that in a conversation ?

And start really defending ur point instead of repliying to my stupid insults I made especially on purpose


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IT MEANS YOU SOUND LIKE YOU EAT GLUE YOU FUCKING MONGOLOID...blablabla


How wow, the insult, I guess its even better than my fish one

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I did not shutted down the other thread because Im not an admin or mod here dont u no?


No, I dont know cuz I dont spend my days on this website im just visiting a few times a week so I dont know really much about those forums. I was just visiting because I had fun reading the q&a about ROTS but now thx to u its all over.


Post Posted: May 10th 2005 9:22 pm
 

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Guys , with all these press screenings,any chances of bootlegs?

im a Sw fan,i will watch it a dozen times in e cinemas,but the wait till november for the dvd is hell for me.......


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For the record, Lucas could have simply been using the cycle of governments as outlined by Aristotle, in which democracies invariably (according to Aristotle) became dictatorships, and dictatorships (with many stops in between) became democracies.

Little history lesson to hopefully help towards mutual understanding.


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Can someone answer my lame question please?


Post Posted: May 10th 2005 11:30 pm
 

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Can anyone that has seen the film credits confirm whether or not his casting is official?


Neither I, nor the guy I went with remember seeing JEJ's name in the credits.


Post Posted: May 10th 2005 11:42 pm
 
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Christ people, he did the voice. Can we move on?


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OK. posting this for a friend who saw the film but is having trouble logging into th esite.. here goes:

I was wondering if you could do me a small favour? I was wondering if you
could post my review on my behalf on MF? I can't log in and it does seem
that my account is blocked, even though they have just alloed me to re-
register again!

Many thanks. :-X
Ash


Here is my Review:


TITLE: StarWars 3 Review - 'The Death of Liberty'

Star Wars - Episode III : The Revenge of the Sith

A long time ago in a cinema, far away...I saw Star Wars Episode 4. Now,
almost 30 years later I was lucky enough to be among the first people to
see this concluding chapter of the saga, Star Wars Episode 3: The
Revenge of the Sith
. This has been one movie that I have wanted to see
for a very long time. Although I knew the basic story, the many facets of
the plot were still a mystery to me. A mystery until I got a hold of the
script last week! I read it just before I went to see the film and it did
not spoil it for me one bit, in fact it enhanced my viewing pleasure as
there is so much on-screen action and dialogue at any one time, you would
be forgiven for easily missing it.

Other than the obvious, the story is more about how an obsessive love for
one woman can destroy you, all those around you and in the case of the
movie, an entire galaxy! Throughout the movie we see a naive young Anakin
Skywalker being deceived and having to make difficult choices, each choice
having catastrophic consequences. His descent in to the dark side was not
an easy one but was something that was pre-planned perhaps hundreds of
years ago. -It was indeed his destiny.

The film played well with view points, suggesting to the audience to look
at "good" from the "evil's" perspective, when one does that, the "good"
appears as "evil". At many times in movies, such as "The Phantom of the
Opera" for example, we have all sympathised with the villain, so it's easy
to see why weak minded but power hungry people are easily turned to the
"dark side". The submissive young Skywalker is no exception.

On a personal note, I have to say I was a little disappointed with the
movie since I had read the final script just before watching it. Almost 40
minutes of the movie was cut from it. I can see why it had to be done, to
keep the action flowing and so forth. However, this final movie was made
for the original fans and I know they all would have appreciated the
additional scenes. I hope the DVD release contains the entire full
director's cut.

The movie concludes by tying all the loose ends, linking this episode to
episode 4, "A New Hope". You can really see that this movie has been
30 years in the making. I remember when I saw Episode 4 "A New Hope",
I understood the title immediately, where we see a young boy rising to
the challenge, defeating the evil and becoming the hero. However, I don't
think I understood it better than I do now. Episode 3 is very grim. Very,
very grim! We see all the Jedi killed off, we see the death of liberty and
how a dictatorship rises from it "...with thunderous applause..." as
put by Padme. The movie ends with Padme dieing during child birth and we
feel the harrowing screams when Anakin (now dawning his Vader mask) learns
of his beloved's death. As we know, the two twins are separated for their
own protection. Leia is adopted by Queen Organa of Alderan and Luke is
taken to Tatooine by Obi-Wan. In the grim darkness there is still hope...

Here is George Lucas's last footnote from the script:
Obi-Wan rides up to a moisture farm homestead on Tatooine. He dismounts,
takes Luke Skywalker out of a papoose on his back, and walks toward Aunt
Beru, who walks over to greet him. They talk for a moment, and Obi-Wan
turns the baby over to the young homesteader. Aunt Beru walks to Uncle Owen
who is standing on the ridge near the homestead. Obi-Wan leaves as Owen,
Beru, and Luke watch the twin suns set.
* IRIS OUT * END TITLES * QUE
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I hope the DVD release contains the entire full
director's cut.


Don't people understand that it's not like the studio forced cuts on Lucas, he basically has free reign, so the theatrical release IS the director's cut. Lucas made all those cuts, sillies.


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Hi I`m new her!

I was just wondering if somebody who had seen the movie could describe how the Dooku duel plays out on screen


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Hi I`m new her!


Congrats on your sex change. :whatevaho:


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oops :whateva:

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aBa wrote:
Duchess wrote:
I hope the DVD release contains the entire full
director's cut.


Don't people understand that it's not like the studio forced cuts on Lucas, he basically has free reign, so the theatrical release IS the director's cut. Lucas made all those cuts, sillies.

sort of, not really.. an extra 40 minutes on a DVD is just an extra 40 minutes someone will be in front of their TV watching it. an extra 40 minutes in the theater is 2 less showings PER SCREEN of the movie. Multiply those two showings times 200-300 tickets sales and then by 2-10 screens, and THEN by the ticket price of each showing.... and considering almost 50% of that money goes directly into George's pocket, that is some pretty serious money that 40 minutes is costing him.


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and a throwaway sequence with an Air-Taxi in TPM.


I gotta disagree with you here. I think the part where Qui-Gon speaks about things becomig more serious/important, and then Anakin whips his head around and thorws Qui-Gon a look.

There's a lot of something behind that look, and it's a scene that shouldn't have been cut IMO.


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f this were true he wouldn't have added stuff back in to the first two DVDs, now would he have. ;)

I don´t call 3 minutes combined added back to two films "alot of stuff". 3 minutes is one thing, 40 minutes is quite different.

And I was glad to see the air taxi scene put back in again, it was a nice touch. :)


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i just hope since there is a scene that has to be emotional i hope lucas didnt kill the whole padmes death scene/giving birth, it has to be at least "tear jerker" ya know what i mean?


You have nothing to worry about in that regard.


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I just got home from the DC charity premier. I'm wiped out, but my summary review at this point is "The movie was phenomenal". As a totally spoiled fan, it was all I had hoped for, and more. My friend, who's a long-time fan also but who knew *nothing* going in beyond the trailer scenes, had this to say when the credits rolled: "Oh my fucking God!".

Everyone was rivited during the entire movie as far as I could tell (We sure were). The crowd was great, and there was cheering everytime anything from the OT was seen, even the mouse droids.

More later if anyone cares at this point. I'm sure more charity viewers from the various screenings will be chiming in soon, so there will be plenty of new reviewes. I'm off to bed & to dream of sith lords & sexy astromech droids. Or something.


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I volunteered today at the charity premiere in Denver and was fortunate enough to see the film. Even as completely spoiled as I was and knowing pretty much everything before it happened, I was still completely blown away by Revenge of the Sith.

A few things that stuck out at me about the film (sorry if these have been said already):

- After the crawl, the soundtrack goes quiet for the pan down just like the rest of the films. It's not like the CD.

- Dooku's "do not assume just because there are two of you that you have the advantage" line is cut.

- When Anakin is about to decapitate Dooku and Palpy says to kill him, Dooku's line is cut. He just gives Palpy the look.

- Yoda's bug isn't in the film. He does climb up on top of Chewie for a while though.

- As Mace is deflecting the lightning back at Palpy's face and it begins to change, his voice gets all weird as well. For the rest of the scene including Anakin kneeling and pledging allegiance, Palpy's voice sounds like it's going through some sort of psycho-dark side puberty.

- The scene with Mon Mothma and the Rebel Alliance is cut. There is no mention of the Rebel Alliance or any plot against the Emperor. In fact the senate cheers during Palpy's new empire speech.

- Obi-Wan's lizard makes a really annoying squaking chirp sound.

- Anakin doesn't throw Padme against the wall after the choke, she just falls to the floor.

- After we got out of the movie, my friend asked me what I thought of "whooping cough boy" to which I immediately thought she was talking about Grievous. Turns out she was referring to a kid sitting behind her who coughed through all but 15 minutes of the film. Grievous wasn't much different.

More as it comes back to me.



The audience went crazy as the film began, and there were many a teary eye at the end as the credits rolled. Everything in between was simply amazing and I can't quite put into words how I feel right now. If anything I guess I'm a little pissed. I have to wait a whole week to see the damn movie again.

:heavymetal:


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I was just wondering if somebody who had seen the movie could describe how the Dooku duel plays out on screen.....pleassss :)


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I just got back from a press screening in Dublin, Ireland. I wasn't expecting to go this morning but a friend called me at 9am to tell me that he had a sprare ticket for the 11am screening.

How do I feel? Relieved. I am glad that I have seen it because I have been building to this moment for sooooooo long. The late notice caught me off guard so I didn't have time to "prepare". As it is, I have 4 screenings pre- booked already for later this week.

I am a MEGA Star Wars fan and have been since I was 4 (when I saw A New Hope with my father) and I also enjoyed TPM and AOTC a great deal. I'm not an aplologist and I can recognize the "flaws" of the movies. I love them all.

So, how did this one measure up?

Well, to be honest, I have spoiled myself to bits over the past year or so and that really didn't help. I felt I had seen half the film already and thought I knew what bits of the soundtrack would be playing over what scenes.

I was wrong.

Some of it worked VERY well and some of it was quite flat.

Did I enjoy it?

Yes.

Will I be going again?

Yes, many times.

But I can't help this feeling of.......can't describe it.

I have seen it now. It 's only a movie. Time to get on with my life.

I'll be here for a while if anyone has any questions.

Go easy on me, I'm in a weird mood right now.

Oh and Asharak, the Dooku duel is good but very, very short. It's almost over before it has begun.


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How short? Same length as Anakin vs Dooku in episode 2?

What is Obi-wans part in the Dual?

Does it look like Anakin is the superior swordsman to Dooku?

Thanks in advance.


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1. Possibly shorter to be honest - felt like it anyway.

2. Obi-Wan doesn't last that long at all. He gets force-pushed out of the way near the beginning and then re-engages after taking out a couple of super battle droids. He then gets force-lifted into the air by Dooku and thrown away like a rag doll just before Dooku brings a walkway down on top of him, knocking him out.

3. Anakin looks faster and stronger, yes.

And the head replacement is top-notch. Looks like Lee the whole time.


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"And the head replacement is top-notch. Looks like Lee the whole time."

wow, that sounds great.


What do you think of the Mace vs Palpatine dual?


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Hmmmmmm. I'm sorry to say that I felt that this was one of the weakest scenes in the film. I was looking forward to it a great deal, but I felt it didn't deliver.

The three Jedi who go with Mace to arrest Palpatine are dipatched so quickly that if you blink you'll miss it. The following duel between Mace and Palps seemed a little clunky and poorly executed to me. I couldn't put my finger on it, but something just didn't click. It's short too.

My overall impression at this stage is positive, don't get me wrong. I just regret having spoiled myself silly. I am looking forward to seeing in at midnight on Wednesday night/Thursday morning with an appreciative, relatively unspoiled audience. I'm still suffereing from first-viewing jitters and honestly can't believe that I have seen it and I am now the one answering questions.

Bizzare.


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Do Obi wan or Anakin use any new skills at any point in the movie.


No. Not unless you consider Obi-Wan using a blaster a new skill.


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I have to agree with a lot of what the other folks have said about the fights being over fast. But then, the entire movie moves very fast, especially at the beginning. It throws so much at you it's hard to absorb it all, and I got the feeling that Lucas *really* had to pull it in tight. It works though since everything is about Anakin & the Emperor. I think his removing the other sub-plots worked well.

At the end of the movie, even being totally spoiled, I felt a little overwhelmed. Frankly, I was too busy watching it to really analyze it. My friend was just blown away.

I suspect as I see it more times (I plan on 3 or 4 more in-theatre screenings minimum) I'll get a better handle on how everything works. I actually did not mind being spoiled (I wasn't for the last two) because I was able to sort of fill-in what was missing. I think it helped that I wasn't trying to follow the story too much, just the bits I didn't know. I could really absorb the visuals, which were amazing.

My advice when you see it - just sit back, let it flow over you and enjoy the sensation. Enjoy the atmosphere & crowd reactions. Wait for the DVD to start nitpicking, because this is it.

Oh, and don't blink ;)


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Funnily enough, even though the movie is running at 2 hours and 20 minutes, I felt it could have been longer. Some scenes felt very rushed to me and before they had the chance to make an impact they were over.

My favourite 3 bits -

The first 20 minutes or so, right up until the crash landing - stunning.

The Order 66 sequence - incredibly powerful and moving. Perhaps one of the most emotional scenes of the saga.

The end of The Duel - Anakin screaming at Obi-Wan and bursting into flames - amazing.


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Have patience, you must.

Afterthought - Of course, that's easy for me to say NOW.


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Nothing that will suprise you. Anakin force chokes Padme with his glove hand and Obi-Wan shoots Grievous with a blaster in the absense of his lightsaber (to which he immediately tosses it on the ground and says something like "how primitive"). Other than that you've got Dooku lifting Obi-Wan into the air and throwing him across the room which hasn't really been seen yet.

I have to agree with the others in here. The film moves pretty fast, and some might be a bit dissapointed at how short some of these scenes are, but they get the job done and move the plot along. A lot was crammed into this film, and you don't have much time to take a breath until the credits roll at the end. My only hope is that we'll get a lot of extended scenes on the DVD. But for now, I'm going to have to see this thing a couple more times to digest it all.


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"How uncivilized," actually -- which is even more delicious.


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i dont know if this has been asked already but the secne in the trailer with bail hiding behind his speeder with destruction around him is that the secne with the young jedi (lucus's kid?) killing the clones then getting killed or another scene?


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Yeah that's it. Bail exchanges a few words with the clones, who are on the verge of becoming hostile. That's when the kid jumps out to save the day and ends up getting killed. Bail escapes in his speeder amidst all the blaster fire right after the shot you see in the trailer.


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I saw the movie Thursday night, I still can't stop thinking about it. Before I watched it, I watched Episodes I & II.

It not only makes those two movies better, it makes IV-VI better.

At the end of Jedi, where Anakin appears and now it's Hayden as Anakin, I hated that change before. Now after watching Episode III I'm so thankful that the change was made. The movie makes you want to see Anakin good again, it makes you understand why he thinks turning to the dark side is the only choice he has. The whole time, even though you know it's going to happen you're still hoping it doesn't. So when you see him good again at the end of Jedi, and Obi-Wan turns to smile at him the scene becomes so much more emotional. Holy crap, I can't wait to see it again. It was so good.


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To Jim you listen. :heavymetal:


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I don't see how it can make Episodes 1 and 2 better. After watching ROTS I'll probably be so blown away that I'll feel ripped off that Lucas didn't bother to make those two any good.


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Alls I have is one question:

How long do Obi-Wan and Grievous fight once the General ignites all four of his lightsabers?


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I think all these questions about how long fights are by the second and what not, are getting quite rediculous. As if I or anyone else who has and will see the movie will check their watch, just for future reference.

Grievous cracks out four sabers pretty close to the start, but loses two quickly, the lightsaber fight isn't very long itself, it's followed by hand to hand combat.


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Grievous cracks out four sabers pretty close to the start, but loses two quickly, the lightsaber fight isn't very long itself, it's followed by hand to hand combat.


After Obi-Wan smashes a group of droids by pulling a giant metal thing on top of them from the ceiling, Grievous calls the rest of them off and says he'll deal with him himself. Obi quickly gets rid of two sabers and there's a bit of two on one action. Then Grievous runs off to his bike and tries to run Obi over with it (you've seen this shot). After a chase sequence we get to the non-saber combat.


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Thanks Cog and Zion. :)


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I'd like to say that while all of the individual saber fights do seem short excpet the final Obi-wan vs. Anakin fight, I left the theatre feeling like there was more lightsaber usage that the rest of the movies put together. That's probably not true, but it felt like it because they use them a lot outside of the marquee combats.


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God! Just got my tickets for wednesday nights screening.. can´t believe it..

I´m just so excited!!! :chewbacca:

Ps sorry I just had to unload this ..


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Though I haven't seen the movie, I'm assuming that all the lightsaber fights except one are so short because they aren't intercut with anything. As far as I know the Dooku duel, Grievous fight, and Mace/Palpatine fight are not intercut with anything, which would make them seem shorter. If you just skip over all the running around in the palace and the nonsense space battle and Gungan battle in TPM, you see that that duel is actually pretty short. I'm assuming the ROTS fights are short because they are either not intercut with much or not intercut with anything else at all, though, as I said, I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know how everything is cut.


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