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Post Posted: March 28th 2005 4:30 pm
 

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Soryr to raise what is considered and old issue, but has anyone who has seen the movie (or read the transcript) ascertained if GL does state the reasons why Ben, Yoda, Darthy etc disappear and/or appear in ghost form? Include in that Qui Gonn voice as well too.

The reason I ask was that there was a good thread posted here or on TFN which appeared to give an explanation i.e. an association with the choosen one and times of great stress or upheaval when they would appear to Luke.

Although a minor issue that got me thinking as to why Ben did not appear after Luke has his hand cut off in ESB and he was hanging of the radio antennea at Bespin. Then again Ben is unlikely to appear mid air and he did comment that we would not be there for Luke if he went after Vader.

Moreso, I just wanted to ascertain if GL (if true to his word) does give an explanation why.


Post Posted: March 28th 2005 5:02 pm
 
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This came from earlier in the year, but it is from the movie... which confirms, and should end all the speculation conversation, that Qui gon teaches yoda the ghost trick...

http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/v ... 6459#46459

And here is the talkback...
http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/v ... php?t=2773


Post Posted: March 28th 2005 8:11 pm
 

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This is from the Episode III novel (which can be found in the episode III forum)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:41 pm Post subject: Twinner's ROTS Novel Scans Transcriptions Reply with quote
I OCRed the scanned images. This is all of the text.

Chapter 21
A New Order

A Naboo skiff reverted to realspace and flashed toward an alien medical installation in the asteroid belt of Polis Massa.

Tantive IV reentered reality only moments behind.

And on Mustafar, below the red thunder of a volcano, a Sith Lord had already snatched from sand of black glass the charred torso and head of what once had been a man, and had already leapt for the cliffbank above with effortless strength, and had already roared to his clones to bring the medical capsule immediately!

The Sith Lord lowered the limbless man tenderly to the cool ground above, and laid his hand across the cracked and blackened mess that once had been his brow, and he set his will upon him.

Live, Lord Vader. Live, mv apprentice.

Live.

----------------------

Beyond the transparent crystal of the observation dome on the airless crags of Polis Massa, the galaxy wheeled in a spray of hard, cold pinpricks through the veil of infinite night.

Beneath that dome sat Yoda. He did not look at the stars.

He sat a very long time.

Even after nearly nine hundred years, the road to self-knowledge was rugged enough to leave him bruised and bleeding.

He spoke softly, but not to himself.

Though no one was with him, he was not alone.

"My failure, this was. Failed the Jedi, I did."

He spoke to the Force.

And the Force answered him. Do not blame yourself, my old friend.

As it sometimes had these past thirteen years, when the Force spoke to him, it spoke in the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn,

"Too old I was," Yoda said. "Too rigid. Too arrogant to see that the old way is not the only way. These Jedi, 1 trained to become the Jedi who had trained me, long centuries ago—but those ancient Jedi, of a different time they were. Changed, has the galaxy. Changed, the Order did not—because let it change, I did not."

More easily said than done, my friend.

"An infinite mystery is the Force." Yoda lifted his head and turned his gaze out into the wheel of stars. "Much to learn, there still is."

And you will have time to learn it.

"Infinite knowledge . . ." Yoda shook his head. "Infinite time, does that require."

With my help, you can learn to join with the Force, yet retain consciousness. You can join your light to it forever. Perhaps, in time, even your physical self.

Yoda did not move. "Eternal life . . ."

The ultimate goal of the Sith, yet they can never achieve it; it comes only by the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the darkness.

"Become one with the Force, yet influence still to have . . ." Yoda mused. "A power greater than all, it is."

It cannot be granted; it can only be taught. It is yours to learn, if you wish it.

Slowly, Yoda nodded. "A very great Jedi Master you have become, Qui-Gon Jinn. A very great Jedi Master you always were, but too blind I was to see it."

He rose, and folded his hands before him, and inclined his head in the Jedi bow of respect.

The bow of the student, in the presence of the Master.

"Your apprentice, I gratefully become."


Post Posted: March 29th 2005 3:48 am
 

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Sorry to be an absolute pisshead on the topic, but when did Yoda teach Ben and Anakin/Darth then?

The assumption is that Qui Gonn taught Yoda, surely this is then passed on?

Unless Yoda teaches Ben to communicate with the force.


Post Posted: March 29th 2005 7:58 am
 
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chrissara wrote:
...but when did Yoda teach Ben and Anakin/Darth then?


Sometime between Episodes 3 and 4.

:monocle:

Not Vader, though. Just Ben.


Post Posted: March 29th 2005 12:05 pm
 

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chrissara wrote:
Sorry to be an absolute pisshead on the topic, but when did Yoda teach Ben and Anakin/Darth then?

The assumption is that Qui Gonn taught Yoda, surely this is then passed on?

Unless Yoda teaches Ben to communicate with the force.


Are you one of those people that needs to see every stupid little thing on screen? :roll: I mean, with Yoda learning the trick, I find it easy to believe that Yoda could pass his lessons on to Obi-Wan remotely from Dagobah or perhaps Qui-Gon could appear to Obi-Wan just like he did with Yoda. There's a twenty year gap between Episode III and Episode IV and it's not like Obi-Wan had anything better to do out there in the desert.


Post Posted: March 29th 2005 5:21 pm
 

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Given that the Jedi disappearing issue etc is a fundamental part of the Star Wras Saga, I owuld have thought GL woul have made sure it was explained.

Then again, perhaps he does not want to - being a mythical/spiritual thing, he might want us to go away and make our own minds up.

I suppose it is those that like to analyise the movies that would like some explanation even minor without having to assume a lot.


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