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Post Posted: March 11th 2005 8:51 am
 

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That beating at the very end of the trailer - I wonder if thats the audio from when Anakin / Vader is born - being sustained? It's creepy - has a robotic sound to it....

As for the trailer - HOLY CRAP! IT WAS AMAZING! I don't know where to begin other than Papaltine will rule this movie! I think my favorite shot so far is when he lunges at Mace and co. and attacks - that will be such an amazing sequence!!!! :heavymetal: :heavymetal:


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Anakin entering the temple is one of my favourite shots of this trailer - amazing.


mine's the shot in the senate where sidious is hurling pods and yoda *w00t*

I love the whole tone of the trailer, esp when the heavy drum beat kicks in :mrgreen:


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Caught it at the end of OC,

Not bad, I thought the Sidious shots were pretty good (standing in the shadows, shooting lighting) I didn't care for some of the CG camera work done with Yoda just magnifies that he looks CG (closeup on face).

Some of the sets/environments looked fantastic, and others reminded me of the AOTC sets I didn't like at all.

I didn't care for the stiff Palpatine dialogue at the beginning, but the Sidious stuff sounded good when he was commanding Anakin, and when he was confronted by Mace.

The Invisible hand lightsaber duel looks visually stunning, as does the Wookie planet.

Good enough to hold me over for now.


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Oh I thought Yoda looked pretty excellent. Yeah, he's CG but he looks good. My only problem with Yoda in the trailer for me was one of my main issues with him in Ep2 - when they light him in blue. I'm not sure what it is but he seems to me to look so much more CG when they do that. There's something off with the lighting there. It was the same on his image on one of the promo stills for Ep2. Aside from that I think he looks pretty cool.

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I've never been a big fan of Mace's character, but what is cool about it is that he's always acted like an arrogant bastard, treating both Qui-Gon and Anakin, and probably a lot of other Jedi, like bantha-crap. And now, at the point where he is attacked by Palpatine, it's the first time we've seen him slightly worried. It's actually rather pleasing to see. We might actually end up getting sympathy for him.

I agree that we should drop the negative analysis of both the trailer and the movie. I learned a long time ago that it's not healthy or constructive to have a sceptical view on things you love.


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Analysis is what this thread is about. If you don't want to read it you don't have to but don't tell us we can only post if we're saying something postive.

Jeez, it's like being at the wedding of Ming the Merciless of something.

Dogg.


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My girlfriend, who was watching the trailer with me after," The OC," offered these 3 unsolicited comments:

1) "Well, it makes the film look beautiful..." (Beautiful? ok...)

2) "Darth Vader looked really lame at the end, though, when he was crossing his arms. I hope that's not the way it is in the movie."

3) "Well, whatever, I'm not waiting in line for it..."


She loved ANH, but doesn't really remember ESB or Jedi that clearly; she tends to mash them together into one movie in her memory. But she thinks Ep. 1 and 2 are unwatchable piles.

Always nice to hear from those outside the "sure thing" demographic we have here...

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The dogs bollocks. That peruvian bootleg, Nigel 5000's cleanup and the camcorder English version do no justice when sat next to the HD-TV trailer. The sheer level of detail is staggering. The hairs on the back of my neck were standing up and shivers were running down my spine. I'm really hoping that this movie delivers everything this trailer promises.


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Yeah, my wife loves them, especially the prequels. I'm a lucky man to have a woman who knows who Kit Fisto is. :heavymetal:

Anyway, fucking amazing trailer. Ian McDiarmid owns this one.


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What exactly, by the way, is supposed to be the implication of all these 'hand-wringing' low-level ILMers? Are they trying to suggest that the movie is just flat out not good, that the effects aren't good, that the effects won't get done, what? Because while admittedly you can't take, say, the public statements of Rick McC at face value, everything coming out of this so far as been really positive. What's the substance of this concern?


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I liked the quote from PALPATINE when he put the blame on the Jedi. This was of no surprise, but to actually hear him say it was cool...Anakin reminds me so much of DARTH MAUL - the angry glare; the similar cloak, the sense of angry purpose in the way in which both characters walk...I'm glad the trailer did not show PADME's death scene, or even hint at it. This still gives me something to look forward to in May...Excellent trailer! It had me spellbound for the entire two minutes...


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Yeah, I was a little worried (ok, a LOT worried) about the clonetroopers being CG, but they didn't look TOO bad...

does anyone else think that was the sound of Luke and Leia's sonogram at the end?


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Indeed I too am fortunate to have a wife who enjoys the 'Wars' and has always supported and encourged my obsession :heavymetal:

When I go to the midnight showing opening day she'll be right beside me.

Just like last time. :mrgreen:

Oh and if watching the trailer 30+ times in your office is a wrong thing, i don't want to be right.


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The one scene that looks very CG is the Vader scene. But hey, I shouldn't be complaining, I love the trailer, I watched it about 20 times before I went to sleep.

How does that look CG? I thought it was a real set... Anyway, I thought the trailer was fantastic. ILM really has come a long way since TPM, not to diminish the quality of the effects in that film. The clonetroopers look amazing.


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Indeed I too am fortunate to have a wife who enjoys the 'Wars' and has always supported and encourged my obsession :heavymetal:

When I go to the midnight showing opening day she'll be right beside me.

Just like last time. :mrgreen:

Oh and if watching the trailer 30+ times in your office is a wrong thing, i don't want to be right.


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The trailer was truly great. I loved the "lightning cam" and the scenes with Palpy. The movie has a complicated and dark plot, which will contribute to the success of the film. Of course ROTS will be more "OT"...AOTC and especially TPM were much more 'detached' from the OT...


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I find it amazing how one can say "too Cgi" about a scene, that nearly doesn't have any. This is the result of this horrible cgi-bashing followed by the even more horrible cgi-paranoia, where people see cgi, where there is none. That's just sad, but well it's cool to diss Star Wars-Computer-effects, even though it shows, that mostly people do not have any idea, what they are talking about.


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IMO, only that one scene with Vader I thought the background looked CG. Everything else from the trailer looks great, and I am certain the whole movie is going to be visually stunning. I am not dissing Star Wars computer generated images/effects, I am amazed at how realistic the images can be.

I'm not attacking you don't get me wrong. I'm just curious as to what makes you think the background is CGI. The stars are, but you can't really screw up stars.


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Yeah, I was a little worried (ok, a LOT worried) about the clonetroopers being CG, but they didn't look TOO bad...


you do realize they were mostly if not all CG in AOTC, right?


Yeah, I didn't think they did a great job with the clonetroopers in AOTC... their movements just looked so unnatural


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Fantastic trailer! I have one question though. When Anikan and Obi-Wan and swinging at each other on cables on Mustafar, why does Obi-Wan not have a beard and does not even look like Ewan McGregor?


Stuntmen?

Anyway, I was amazed at the trailer. Computer graphics have reached a new high, that is for sure.


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Fantastic trailer! Couldn't have asked for a better "tease". Looking to gage your film - you got my vote. Trailer, rough? Nope! Did it's job - I want more!

Chills:

Palps - saying - "...not as a Jedi.."
Anakin's "What?" when Mace says he's not going to be a Master; Obi-1 's face after that statement.
Palps calling Anakin - "....son..."

Anakin leading the stormtroopers - both scenes were awesome
Obi-1 screaming, "You are the Chosen One"


Whew
I'm going to go watch it again. Nice job ILM and Lucas!


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I cried when I saw this. Tears of Joy.


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flay wrote:
What exactly, by the way, is supposed to be the implication of all these 'hand-wringing' low-level ILMers?


What we concluded is that once you work hard on a movie project, you come to hate it. .


Well let's clear up the misconception that they're "low-level". They're not. And there's no implication to make; their word to me was that the movie had problems, and not little ones. They didn't know first hand the full extent of what those problems were, but one speculated that it was an issue of the film being disjointed. That's as much as I know, and as much as I can offer.

The second thing is: the only people who have "concluded" anything from this little smattering of information are people who don't like the whole idea of it having problems and want to put the whole thing to bed as quickly as possible. For everyone else, it is a legitimate piece of information not from a devalued source, but an honest-to-goodness member of the production team with no particular axe to grind, but no real specifics either. So just relax about it, file it away and find out on May 19th.

You know, none if this is that amazing; people who work on films, even in the post pipeline DO talk to each other, up and down the chain, and have an idea of how their project's going. And they talk to their friends outside the project, too. And it's not like people haven't been burned by the prequels, so more than a little skepticism is warranted.

In the end, instead of freaking about it, and attacking the source, and shooting the messenger and frothing at the mouth, take it at face value and chill the fuck out. We'll see soon enough. Just go watch the trailer a thousand more times and masturbate or whatever.

_Mike


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If I may offer my humble opinion, the problem the member of ILM is having is likely something that might come up at this stage of the process. They're editing the movie right now - continuity and narration are what they are concerned about. If it's bad enough that Lucas is searching for "options" it means he is aware of it and he's looking to solve it. Frankly, with all that has to be accomplished, it isn't a surprise they might have a problem producing a logical flow. They have two months and a great many talented people working on it. They'll figure something out to eliminate the problem, or reduce it as much as they can, hopefully. It isn't worth worrying about.

Now, if someone came out and complained about the movie being disjoined on May 18th....


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Wow guys, all I can say is that this is going to be one of those movies that just has "it" this year. I looked and looked yesterday morning for 3 hours for an HD-TV version, and I must say that everything looks great for the moment. I can't wait to see it on the big screen in May. Did anyone else get cold chills when Anakin was marching his army of clonetroopers(stormtroopers) into the Jedi Temple? The Fall and Betrayal of Anakin Skywalker will soon be complete. Out of all of the trilogies that have surfaced in the past 4 years...(Lord of the Rings, The Matrix, Star Wars) this is without a shadow of a doubt the most excited that I have been to watch a film for some time. Can you believe they showed Nute Gunray, after dealing with the Sith for some time, get sliced open by Anakin? This movie is going to be DARK!! I think this is what Star Wars fans have come to expect from these movies ever since Empire. This will be a film for people to relate to and to get that feeling of an experience when they watched Empire for the first time.


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I don't care what some "ILM insider" says (like we should believe that shit), this movie is going to rock my world. The trailer was simply amazing. I haven't been this excited for a movie since November 98 when the teaser for TPM came out.


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I agree with MTH. This movie will rock the world of many die-hard Star Wars fans everywhere. We shouldn't listen to people who want to put this movie down. People who like to think of themselves as smart fans. Just remember what it was like to enjoy Star Wars when you first saw the films. Take that into consideration and enjoy this experience, because we may not get the chance to have another Star Wars movie again.


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We are at war, Anakin.


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I love when Sidious "Play" in the Senate with all the pods ;)
And Yoda's the target!
Ian McDiarmid owns the PT!


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Yoda looked like he was caugtht quite off-guard by Sidious' lightning. The next scene is probably the one where he's lying on the floor.


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I showed the Hi Def trailer to some pals last night.

One fan, two casual fans and a skeptic.

What followed was stunned silence and a request for the trailer to be played again.

Four more viewings and they were sold on Ep III.

A clever move by GL to show the Palp/Sid narrative.(now the non fan knows what the score is)

Out of all the scenes shown, the 'are you threatening me Master Jedi?' is the favourite.Knowing spoilers is one thing but seeing a scene played out is something else.

Sidious revealed,a sense of quiet violence in the dialogue and then boom a quick cut and a need to know what happens next.

It's all good stuff what was shown.

Darth Vader (both versions)

EM channeling the Guinness vibe in the JC snippet.

and NP emoting to say the least.


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This looks like it could be McDiarmad's best performance since Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.

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mverta wrote:
maxman6446 wrote:
flay wrote:
What exactly, by the way, is supposed to be the implication of all these 'hand-wringing' low-level ILMers?


What we concluded is that once you work hard on a movie project, you come to hate it. .


Well let's clear up the misconception that they're "low-level". They're not. And there's no implication to make; their word to me was that the movie had problems, and not little ones. They didn't know first hand the full extent of what those problems were, but one speculated that it was an issue of the film being disjointed. That's as much as I know, and as much as I can offer.

The second thing is: the only people who have "concluded" anything from this little smattering of information are people who don't like the whole idea of it having problems and want to put the whole thing to bed as quickly as possible. For everyone else, it is a legitimate piece of information not from a devalued source, but an honest-to-goodness member of the production team with no particular axe to grind, but no real specifics either. So just relax about it, file it away and find out on May 19th.

You know, none if this is that amazing; people who work on films, even in the post pipeline DO talk to each other, up and down the chain, and have an idea of how their project's going. And they talk to their friends outside the project, too. And it's not like people haven't been burned by the prequels, so more than a little skepticism is warranted.

In the end, instead of freaking about it, and attacking the source, and shooting the messenger and frothing at the mouth, take it at face value and chill the fuck out. We'll see soon enough. Just go watch the trailer a thousand more times and masturbate or whatever.

_Mike


Well, no disrespect to you, mverta, but didn't your original post speak of "Lucas openly asking for options"? Now your source doesn't really know just WHAT is wrong with the film, but he "speculates" that it's editing-related.

Sorry, man. It's just too vague, and too oddly reminiscent of the "AOTC has ILM worried, mass resignations are rumored" gossip that made the rounds right around this time three years ago.

I don't doubt that you're reporting what you were told, I just doubt your source's motives.


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Or reminiscent of the rumours that ILM felt that the effects in The Mummy Returns were crap because they were rushed.

Which they were.

Who knows. People, whether they work for ILM or not, are entitled to their opinions but bear in mind that, even if this is true, they are only opinions.

Dogg.


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The HD version of the trailer is simply fantastic. Thanks to everyone for sharing! :)


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I think the acting looks much better here...

I mean Anakin is supposed to be this rather naive kid who gets seduced to make a pack with the devil...and Ian? i mean how much of a better bad guy can u play? Every line in the trailer sounded perfect to me.

My favorite part has to be Anakin marching with the troopers. "do what must be done"...i mean holy fuckin shit...i get gooseb everytime. It just looks so perfect...


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Carl Cunningham over at CHUD had this to say about this "rumor":

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Huge exaggeration. Lucas has been tweaking the middle Act of the film (most specifically, the stuff on Kashyyyk with the Wookiees, et al as well as other intercut sequences) basically since the beginning. "Disjointed" is not the term I would use at all, but I'll humor whoever is making these claims by saying that this is because there might need to be about 5 minutes or so trimmed from that middle act. We all know how Lucas takes his editing deadly serious, so I'm sure this is something that he's been working furiously almost every day now and has not quite locked down. "Hand-wringing"? Sure... if that floats your boat. But, trust me... it's not as big a deal as this makes it out to be.

If anything, I think Lucas has come to discover that he may have packed too much stuff into this film, which is something he has to live with for devoting the entire first film in the trilogy to something that could have been told in the Opening Crawl.

Also, keep in mind that we're not talking about "the good stuff" here at all. All of the Anakin/Palpatine and Anakin/Obi-Wan and Jedi stuff (which, let's face it, is the majority of the film and what everyone cares about the most) has been golden for months now. Lucas is just working to find a way to get the stuff in the middle of the film to come together in a way that doesn't mess up the flow or tone of the entire picture. It does need to be smoothed out a bit there, but it's nothing that can't or won't be fixed. And there is plenty of time for that, even if it required some minor additional shooting (which I doubt).

I'm sure Lucas will give pals like De Palma and Spielberg a look at the latest cut and seek their advice. And, of course word of that will get out and it will be "The Sky is Falling!" again... even though he did the very same thing with pretty much all of his films. Contrary to belief, he DOES seek help and input from peers when he feels he may need another pair of eyes or a critical artistic opinion on something.

In short, I'm not sweating this at all... and I have my reasons. I remain much more concerned about an 11th hour edit that guts the brutal stuff out, cuts down The Duel, and/or adds unwanted and out of place bathroom/slapstick humor. Because that is quite frankly much more realistic than these latest rumors.


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Well sounds like good news all around, I'd say! Reports of problems are exaggerated, or made by people with grudges or liars. So the majority opinion rules, and evidently RotS is going to rock. Get in line now!

Seriously, go. Right now.



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mverta wrote:
Well sounds like good news all around, I'd say! Reports of problems are exaggerated, or made by people with grudges or liars. So the majority opinion rules, and evidently RotS is going to rock. Get in line now!

Seriously, go. Right now.



_Mike


I would understand this reaction if people were still accusing you of being a fake. But they aren't, so I don't. Pick your wedgie and let it go. Jesus.


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So, if I understand this correctly, ROTS may be "disjointed." What does that mean, exactly? Clunky story flow? Confusing editing at times? Too many subplots and not enough getting to the point? Gee, wouldn't that make it...EXACTLY LIKE THE OTHER FIVE FUCKING MOVIES?

Sorry, but the trailer had me at "Are you threatening me, Master Jedi?" I could sit through two hours of that looped over and over. So I guess I'll still be there in line on opening day regardless of all the helpful warnings. And if it turns out to be a bust, well, I've wasted $10 on more ridiculous things.


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Lucas takes his editing very seriously? I wouldn't dispute that but it doesn't mean anything to me after that Obi-Wan/Jango conversation in AotC. He may have been very serious about that too but it was still pants.

However, what could be very encouraging is the idea that he is seeking help. I mean, getting a dialog coach could have been taken in the same light but I reckon if he is realising that he should get the best man (or woman) for each job then he will get the best possible movie. The team aspect of SW is something that came across in almost every interview about the OT. It hasn't in the PT unless you consider Lucas and McCallum a 'team'. So this, to me, could be a very good thing.

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mverta wrote:
Well sounds like good news all around, I'd say! Reports of problems are exaggerated, or made by people with grudges or liars. So the majority opinion rules, and evidently RotS is going to rock. Get in line now!

Seriously, go. Right now.

Thank you professor, for telling us what to think. :gb2tfn: and start a shitstorm, will ya? I trust Carl Cunningham more than an ILM lackey who´s overworked and underpaid. :whateva:


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They squeal like little girls.

Its more of an animal screech than an actual scream though.

Funny all the same... heheh pokes fun at those in the business world, how they go out like punks.


Sounds like some sort of game bird to me. . .


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We could create a seperate thread for this, but I'll just add $.02.


Disjointed is a natural problem that could come up from this story if Lucas isn't careful.

Anakin's emotions are being pulled back and forth through the middle of the movie. One minute, he's Obi-Wan's good friend, the next minute he's Palpy's confidant, then he's trying to kill Palpy, then he's defending Palpy.

Lucas has to show those transitions within Anakin, naturally.


Remembering AotC, one minute Amidala is pulling away from a kiss with Anakin... the next time we see her, she's flirting with Anakin on a picnic.


Here's to Lucas making sure the film doesn't have that choppy editing feel that AotC had.


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That's one of my favorite scenes in AOTC...there's an awful lot of sizing up between the two and it plays perfectly with all those venomous pauses. Can't understand why you hate it so.


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Trailer is online at the OS for free now...

this QT version has a wider aspect ratio than my DivX copy :|


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Some thoughts on the trailer:

- What’s with the Tantive IV’s aqua-blue lighting as it flies by the camera? This is either an inconsistency with ANH, or it’s not the Tantive IV

- Utapau looks amazing (reminds me of something Ralph McQuarrie would have done in his work on the OT… love that “classic” space fantasy art look)

- Ian McDiarmid’s as the Emperor looks incredible; it totally blends in with his appearance in ROTJ (the scene in question occurs when he says “Every single Jedi is now an enemy of the Republic”). I was very happy to see this, as most of the Sidious shots I’ve seen thus far, while very scary and cool, didn’t look very much like Palpatine from ROTJ (to me at least)

- the “aqua ballet” (or whatever it is Palpatine is watching) strikes me as one of those overly CGI-looking moments. Maybe it will look fine in the finished film, but I can’t help feeling it will have that same unnatural look that the Gungan City bubbles had in TPM when characters and objects passed through them

- Despite what some have said, the planet the Tantive IV approaches appears to be Coruscant, not Tattooine (look at the circular landscapes, indicative of Coruscant)

- Love the scene with the clonetrooper raising his blaster right after the camera cuts from Ki-Adi-Mundi (does not look CG at all, and the lighting is very ominous/cold… love it)

- Love the quick clip of Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting in the “A-shaped” hallway… very reminiscent of Luke and Vader in Cloud City in ESB

- Lastly, although some have attacked Christensen’s delivery of his lines in the trailer, I’m wondering if he’s not deliberately trying to sound like Darth Vader (mechanized, the tone and pacing of his speech would sound quite similar to Vader’s)

Overall, I loved the trailer, and I've already had a few friends who are not PT lovers say they thought it looked great and were very anxious to see it come May 19th. If the movie retains any of the flavour of that trailer, it's gonna rock. :heavymetal:


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- What’s with the Tantive IV’s aqua-blue lighting as it flies by the camera? This is either an inconsistency with ANH, or it’s not the Tantive IV
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- Love the quick clip of Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting in the “A-shaped” hallway… very reminiscent of Luke and Vader in Cloud City in ESB


I was also worried about the blue lighting on the Tantive, but I think it's safe to say that was the Tantive IV, so I'm going with inconsistency which is a shame...

I love that shot of Anakin and Obi Wan, yes, very reminiscent of ESB :mrgreen:


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Some thoughts on the trailer:

- What’s with the Tantive IV’s aqua-blue lighting as it flies by the camera? This is either an inconsistency with ANH, or it’s not the Tantive IV


Well, it is twenty years between movies. Maybe it gets an upgrade? Or a downgrade.

After all, the ISD's got an upgrade between ANH and ESB and that was only three years or so.


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Well, it is twenty years between movies. Maybe it gets an upgrade? Or a downgrade.

After all, the ISD's got an upgrade between ANH and ESB and that was only three years or so.



Ah, thank you very much. Things change inbetween a timespan of 20 years.

Talking about changes: I already discussed this question on another board, but it still kind of bugs me that the weapons system technology in the PT in some aspects looks much more advanced than in the OT (especially the droid technology). I understand that with the emergence of the Empire a paradigm shift in technology happened (clones regarded to be superior to droids), and maybe a lack of technological resources during the time of civil war played into it, too.

But still, some weapons of the PT seem to be a little overdone in the special effects department IMO.


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