Ok I'm stupid...where does Grievous show up? I honestly can't tell in the video where he is. Can someone give some cues where to look?

The video quality leaves something to be desired, but I still got chills from it. Can't believe I'm going to see Robots tommorrow just for this....I'm such a dork.

BTW, where/when/how often does Sidious do that (fucking awsome) scream? In the teaser, it was a frontal shot of him with the hood on swinging his saber. In this trailer it was a behind-the-head shot. Not a big deal..just wondering.

Another thing.. does the Storm Troopers marching in the Temple remind anyone else of the Nazi's marching into Poland. The Nazi goose-stepping was used to sound frightening as they marched in the streets. That loud, echoing, Stormtrooper marching in unison sound just brought that to my mind.

[quote="Damon Hill"]In the immortal words of Frank Barone:

"Holy Crap!"



Also, the scene where Ankain and Obi are swinging away at each other in the dark halway and the sparks are flying, is VERY reminiscent of Luke going ape sh*t on Vader under the stairs in ROTJ. Sweet!


Anyone have a picture of that scene in ROTJ to compare to this one in the trailer?[/quote]

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You could have found that out at the IMDB. Of course this would have meant actively searching for answers yourself.

And a joker at the CHUD boards claims "My contacts in ILM say things aren´t looking good for this project...". Any insiders care to elaborate? Or is this just underpaid employees whining again?

As someone has already said, the picture quality is a lot to be desired....however as such it meant I was more inclined to listen to the dialogue than strain my eyes for visuals.
My thoughts after a few viewings is that the dialogue is absolutely excellent and said with feeling/emotion that perhaps has been missing at times in the first two movies....even Sam L Jackson sounds convincing and to be honest his lines haven't sounded that convincing to me in these movies yet...(awaits backlash!!)
ANyway, can't wait for the HD version. I also agree that I. McDiarmaid is going to own this movie alongside the always excellent E. McGregor.

That kind of behaviour belongs in Sarcasm City, CHUD.

I have a number of friends at ILM and this is exactly what I've been told as well, for what it's worth. Apparently, there's a tremendous amount of hand wringing going on... one went so far as to say that GL has openly solicited for "options".

Now, having produced tons of movie trailers over the years, I can tell you that for most of the studios, this trailer would be an indication of low confidence - it shows tons of money shots, which is usually a bad sign. But in the case of Star Wars, there's probably a billion more money shots, and since Lucas produces them in house, you have to let the typical rules slack a bit.

In the end, I have to agree that the trailer feels more like Star Wars than any other I've seen from Lucas, ever, and it makes the film look great. That's the point of a trailer... this one finally has some decent music (minus that horribly awkward final cue, they never get that right). In any case, we'll have to wait and see about the actual film, but personally, I'm always rooting for these movies.



_Mike

Damnit. I downloaded the latest copy of the trailer and it's corrupted after the "I feel so helpless" line. When it gets to that point, I just switch over to the Peruvian trailer. That sort of works; that pumped feeling keeps on flowing. The trailer really does turn into about the greatest thing I've ever seen when Palpatine attacks Mace and crew.

Wow... for the unspoiled... this sure gives quite a bit away... especially with Palps weilding the saber and going ape shit.

It will get people to the theater. The average Star Wars "fan" is the typical high school idiot who knows jack shit about anything Star Wars related. When that type sees the trailer, they'll freak and suddenly head off to school talking like the know shit. Everybody will be psyched.

I have a number of friends at ILM and this is exactly what I've been told as well, for what it's worth. Apparently, there's a tremendous amount of hand wringing going on... one went so far as to say that GL has openly solicited for "options".

Now, having produced tons of movie trailers over the years, I can tell you that for most of the studios, this trailer would be an indication of low confidence

I doubt every bit of this.

Options for what? If Jar Jar, bad dialogue, and bad acting in Ep1 didn't lead him to believe he needed to seek "options," this one isn't.

It's exactly what everyone wanted from Eps 1 and 2. It's what fans and non-fans thought the whole of the prequels would be.

Even if it still has bad acting and dialogue, he knows he's got a homerun, regardless of anything else.

At the end of the trailer, you can hear a heart beat and heart monitor or something. It's right after you see the suited Darth Vader during the credits. I haven't heard anyone point this out. I wonder if that's Padme or Vader's heart beating... Or I could just be hearing stuff. I didn't notice this on the first computer I watched it on.

LOL I know exactly what you mean, AnonyJones, back when TPM was out, all the way back in '99, I remember there were loads of kids in my high school class banging on about how Jake Lloyd was playing the young Luke Skywalker, and how Palp's new apprentice in Episode III would be Darth Vader. I just shook my head, cringing, thinking 'they know squat diddly'.



I thought about that, too. I doubt it's anything in the actual film, as medical equipment beeping on a star destroyer bridge isn't very Star Wars-ish, IMO, if you get what I mean. There's always the possibility it's the sound of a button being pressed on the actual camcorder, or somthing similar like a phone being turned off.

I caught this, too... my money's on it being related to Vader's life support or rebuilding or whatever...

_Mike

Which cue? The end of 'Clash of Lighsabers'?

I kinda wish they'd go back to using the end of The Rebel Fleet/End Title, which seemed like the de facto choice for SW trailers from ESB to TPM.

Yeah, you take all that stuff with a grain of sand. Just 'cause it comes from ILM doesn't make it gospel... Even though I know I can trust that they're telling me the truth, it's THEIR version of the truth, biased by wherever they are in the pipeline, etc.

In the end, logistically, it's too late to be making huge changes anyway, 'cause they have to get the foreign stuff ready, and that needs to be happening pretty soon. They can't be disassembling and re-editing the film this late in the game, so I'd say whatever's there is there.



_Mike

I don´t get it, when Lucas gets his way, it´s bad and he´s got yes-men kissing his ass constantly. When he wants help, this.... ...is also bad....

What was the rationalization for these complaints again?


On any SW film those scenes wouldn´t be considered money-shots.

Judging from the trailer in all it´murky glory, we see some ships, some vehicles, explosions, people arguing and starting to fight. I don´t call those "money-shots".


Yes, anyone who thinks we will see the best of the best in this trailer, is deluding himself.


The Wookie battle shots do seem very up-close and intimate, I think there will be some genuine emotional distress, when they get blasted out of the water, crushed by tanks etc.

With all due respect... anyone who thinks trailers don't have some of the best money shots from the film in them hasn't been paying much attention. It's a horrible downward trend, but studios gave up saving surprises long ago. The thinking amongst the marketing "creative" geniuses is, "What if we don't put that one cool shot in the trailer and not enough people show up to get us that staggering $1,400 per-screen average we want, so we can take out an ad in Hollywood Reporter and brag about it?"

Between the teaser and the trailer, you've got the Emperor with a lightsaber - okay that's definitely a money moment, and you've got at least two of those, and the Vader reveal, I'd say that qualifies. Threepio on the Tantive... And some of the full-on space battle shots... There are definitely some money shots in there....

And don't think for a second that just because it's Star Wars they're not trying to maximize the audience draw... they don't take that for granted, especially after Ep. 1 and 2. I mean, if partnering the trailer with The O.C. isn't proof enough for you of their attempts to recruit a wider audience, I don't know what would be. Truth is, you'd think that the real television event would be, "Tonight: The Star Wars Episode III trailer, with a special showing of random tv fodder, 'The O.C.', and not the other way round.

_Mike

I agree, although it depends on what money shot you're aiming for which demographics. These one's seemed to be for the non-fan.

I would definately have to agree with what mverta is saying there about LFL making as much effort as possible to give the film 'the big sell.' If that means throwing in a lot of the film's coolest stuff, then they'll do it. I mean, granted these 'money shot' moments are very short snippets, but the fact is they are also probably the best moments from the best shots from the best scenes in the film. It's not like back in the 80's when the SW films were among the very small number of high production value, effects-crammed films and had a more dominating presence over the box-office; these days there's at least seven or eight summer blockbusters competing against each other every year for the number 1 spot. So yes, I'd say there is a chance LFL is starting to feel the heat.

I't really wouldn't be much of an issue for me, but the reckless throwing away of the 'best bits' goes beyond effects shots and encompasses drama scenes; I'm concerned that we might be seeing the best bits of Ian McDiarmed's performance before they can even be put into context. It makes you wonder... if TESB was brought out this year, would Lucas give away the 'I am your father' line?

I'm probably getting all wound up about nothing. It's only a trailer in the end and when the film has been and gone at the end of the summer it'll all be forgotten. Still... food for thought.

The problem ISN'T that Lucas won't listen to other people NOR that he won't ask for advice.


The problem is when his mind is made up AND HE'S MADE A BAD DECISION, people like "yes-man" Ricky Mc won't step up and tell him, he's making a mistake.


A classic example: In AotC, Lucas meant for Anakin's nightmare to be an ominous thing. A moment of tension.

But Lucas filmed it so in cinemas, people were laughing because it looked like lil Ani was pleasuring himself.

Rick came out and said, "Yeah, we knew it looked like he was..."

AND YET THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO FIX IT!?!?!?!?!?

In this example, Lucas was actually destroying the ominous moment he meant to create. Just as in AotC, Lucas wanted the Ani-Amidala romance to be hearfelt, instead of terrible.

Other times, Lucas demands his digital team do things, despite the fact that he should do certain practical. So things don't look as good because no one is telling him 'NO."

Someone needs to tell him NO occassionally.



From what I've read the story of RotS is the best of the Prequels. But then the story of AotC was good, but the execution had some flaws.

If current ILM staff are worried about RotS, then I'm starting to worry about the execution.

indeed it's starting to get me worried

true - but most of em are coming out 2 wks prior so they can at least make some money before star wars comes out =P

I'm curious where so many people get this deluded idea from. You could argue that it's through LFL over using the Vader imagery in the marketing, or the fact that they did 'the return of Darth Vader' on the OT DVDs (which also featured a lot of footage of Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor's fight rehearsals), but nowhere has he even been seen duelling in the suit! Lucas has said millions of times already that Vader will make a cameo-esque appearance at the end and THAT'S IT!

It just shows how many people out there really do know jack about this film that they are getting hyped up about.

then how do you explain TPM's Darth Maul hell he even was in the toys packages

Over 200-300 people are working on this thing. That makes room for a LOT of opinions.


True enough. I guess it's not hard to find a guy on the assembly line at Ford that thinks the Explorer sucks balls.

I interpreted the comment about Lucas seeking "options" as "Lucas is unsatisfied."

I don't find it hard to believe he thinks it could be better -- after all, he's changed the OT a bazillion times. But, I have serious doubt he thinks it sucks to the point of wanting to make any significant changes. I don't really have any evidence to support that, though, so I guess I'm pissing in the wind.

Listen... it IS entirely out of the realm of possibility. As anyone who's been following the spoilers knows full well. It's a fact you're going to have to come to terms with before you get your hopes dashed when you watch the film.

Having Vader fighting in the suit is a childish idea that adds nothing to the story whatsoever, to do so would to be doing it for the sake of it, which is pretty pointless.

Learn to live with it!

agreed, but it'd be nice to at least see Vader switch on his lightsaber

Oh, you know... it's 'cause Vader's cool and people want to see it, that's all. Lightsaber coreography's come aways... I GET it, but it'll never happen.

From a drama standpoint, the Obi/Anakin fight has to be the last saber fight in the movie. Dramatically, you've totally blown your wad at that point. Vader just isn't going to pull out some more token fighting after that. The big fight leads to his transformation, and his transformation leads to Episode IV. Roll credits.

_Mike

To see Vader ignite his saber I usually watch TESB.

If the claim comes from an ILMer, then he could only be talking about the effects work. Perhaps an overambitious sequence they're not happy with. But people seem to be taking this to mean "omg the movie's gonna tank and Lucas doesn't know how to fix it!!!11!!!!" It's ridiculous.

I'm guessing that Fatboy Roberts and Mike have;Read the script, seen the movie and have talked to each and every ILM employee and artists? I didn't think so.

Just because you may know a few ILM people, that is only a few opinions. I would more than say that this movie is not some Gigli movie obviously.

My reaction:
Sidious is the fucking scariest villian I've seen in a long time and this trailer had the total feel of the OT.

Until he stops financing this himself and starts wasting money from the studios, I don´t think so. You see, he´s in the esquisite position of having his films financed on his own. He can pretty much do whatever he wants. If he didn´have that opportunity, I would agree with you, but as it is, then no.

If anyone of us would have that kind of money to make what we wanted, I´m pretty sure we would behave the same way if we really thought we knew what was best. His money, his decisions, and ultimately his responsibility.

Could someone post the quote where he says something like "The fans are very passionate about SW and know what they want, only problem is it´s my movie and I´m gonna do it my way."



To be fair, like others have said, they see bits and pieces that are very disconnected and disjointed, they work hard, they probably become frustrated as time goes on etc. It´s easy to blow a gasket and start badmouthing your boss (especially if he keeps coming up with new ideas while you´re working on other things).

Apologies for the following raw comments....


I'm just deleting the fucks who insist on having huge sized avatars, animated avatars that are more than a 1/2 mb big, and imbedding huge side scrolling pictures.

Wow...can we get a resize on those images so we don't have to scroll to read the thread.

On subject - I can't download this while at work...so hopefully it will still be up when I get home.

That's not true! I remember a clip with Yoda pulling his saber to his hand that was shown to promote AOTC. It's seared, SEARED into my memory!

Yeah, they had a TV spot spoofing SPIDER-MAN. They showed it at Celebration II (not that I was there, but the bootleg I saw was from there).

What's the deal with the two oustretched hands after the 'lightning-cam'?

just amazing....amazing..

this trailer gives me a ESB vibe...i fuckin love it. It also looks like ILM really really stepped up for the last SW movie...

i cannot wait anymore....

sorry about the Lumpy avatar. I didn't realize it was so big, and changed it to something more appropriate.


In general, I don't have problems with what Lucas wants... it just that he drops the ball when it comes to executing said things.

He wanted Jar Jar to be a cute comic relief character, nothing wrong with that... he just droped the ball.

He wanted Lil Ani's nightmare to be an unsettling moment, that's the right idea... but he staged it so poorly, people were laughing.

He wanted Anakin and Amidala's romance to be a homage to those classic romances of the 30s and 40s, nothing wrong with that... but the ham-handed dialogue killed it.

Now he wanted Yoda to really be able to act... and first through the puppet and later through the CG, and he got it.

I wish more of his team (and maybe they are, I really don't know) would stand up and say:

"You know, George, you want this nightmare to be a dark omen... but it looks like a kid playing with himself. I know you think it looks fine the way it is, but you HAVE to re-shoot."



BACK TO THE TRAILER

I think the shots look great (in this camcorder look), but it doesn't build to a giant explosive EPISODE III like I hoped it would.

True.


Yes. (But at least it was entertaining, if for all the wrong reasons.)


Some parts I did genuinely like, unfortunately not all scenes were that good and the result is very uneven. I didn´t like the cut family scenes that much (seemed to cliché to my taste), so I doubt they would have helped. Should have gotten a romance specialist for those scenes, he sure has enough money to afford it.


Then they should be able to do so on their own, unless he threatens anyone with being fired for speaking their mind. (Seems unlikely he´d actually do that. From the webdocs, at least.)

If they really have nothing to fear and if he´s really open to input, then it´s only their own stupid fault if they don´t act while they have a chance.

I´ve just see the full trailer on TV.. and.... i have no words to explain what i have feel

Jesus, do you really want yet another trailer that´s nothing but explosions, a choir getting louder and louder and Mr. Voice talking in the background?

"In a galaxy where justice was fading..."

We get too much from this trailer already, if people want more, they need to sit down and watch the other five. I´m sure they´ll be filled up on SW by the end of it.

im a lucky s.o.b. who just saw the trailer by accident in a UK cinema(see my post) and i gotta say the feeling of seeing this on the big screen was better than the 1st time i saw the TPM trailer and that was a big deal, the teaser really was just a tease this movie will be as good as we want it to be, even palps looked great dwelling in the shadows(palps makeup is my only fear for dissapointment in the movie!) if u get the chance see it on the big screen DO IT! cant wait for the frame by frame analysis!

It's gonna be March 11 in two hours. Still no trailer. I want my money back.

A History Lesson
By R.Alexander Farrell

In late 1996….
I was eleven years old and I had never seen any of the Star Wars films. Yes, I was aware of its engraving upon the collective unconscious of “popular culture” and probably at some point, placed my face two inches in front of a fan and listened to the distorted declaration “Luuuuke, I am uuuur faaaaathhhaa….”
My introduction to the Star Wars universe was rather simple. I had gone to my local theatre with my father, it seemed to be a weekend tradition; Saturday morning cartoons, followed by doughnuts, a late afternoon film and then a large dinner. I can’t remember what film we saw that day, but I remember a certain trailer I saw before the picture began (to think, in a time where there were no Coca-Cola advertisements or the 20enty). It was for the Special Edition re-release of the Star Wars Trilogy. I’m sure you’ve all seen it, I remember it was included on the VHS release of the Special Editions that would come some months (?) later. My Dad tapped me on the shoulder and asked “Have you seen those, buddy?” To which I replied, “Nope.” To which he replied, “Well I think you’d like them.”
In early 1997….
I was just walking out of A New Hope: Special Edition. And you know what? I loved it. Suddenly, it was all about Star Wars. I bought the books (thanks to Grandpa I was already reading Stephen King at 11, so why not The Thrawn Trilogy?), the toys, the videogames, the VHS copies. And in another month, my mind was blown away again. The revelation on Cloud City by Vader hit me (forgive me whilst I extend a cliché), like the proverbial ton of bricks even though I knew what he was about to utter through that pyramid mouthpiece of his. And the month after that, I was able to watch in a mixture of dread with a sort of amazement and tension as Luke dueled with Vader before the Emperor. I was able to cheer along with the Rebels on Endor.
The point is, the Special Edition Trilogy did exactly what they set out to do. They brought the magic of Star Wars to a new generation.
And I’ve been a fan ever since.
In late 1998 or early 1999….
New millennium? Who gives a fuck?
My best friend Erik and I are in front of his computer. Two seventh graders for the first time in front of a CRT and they’re not watching porn. We’re on some shitty fan-made site. And we’re looking at a little feature they have called “PhantomCast” (A name for which Erik has become immortal in my mind, as he often recited it while using a rather disturbing English accent that brings to mind an Brummie with Down’s Syndrome). Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor…cool, but we didn’t know who they were. They were in movies that Erik didn’t seem to care to see and I wasn’t allowed to watch. Movies like Schindler’s List and Trainspotting. Natalie Portman…now there’s something. My Dad sat down and watched Leon with me, so I’d run into her before. So had Erik. I think ‘Goddess’ was the only word we could come up with. And even in seventh grade we considered ourselves the Patricians out of little Middle School Rome. She was the kind of girl that made thirteen year old boys first think of the word ‘marriage’ in a positive light.
May 1999…..
Saw “The Phantom Menace” at 11:30am opening day with my friend Micah, who was a punk/emo kid who carried around a cane and cuffed up the legs of his jeans. Loved it.
May 2005….
Saw “Attack of the Clones.” I got out of swim practice an hour earlier to catch the 7:30pm opening day showing with some of my buddies from school. A guy named Jon (whose acne unfortunately made his face looks like Mustafar), and Perry. Loved it even more. Ewan is awesome.
In the time between The Phantom Menace, my Dad’s career as a Marine got us moved from Southern California, where I had lived for 15 blissful years, to Eastern North Carolina. It wasn’t that bad, I made good friends, and got good grades. Hell, I’m in college now. Anyways, I had so much going on with school and swimming and extracuriclar activities, I kinda got distracted. Episode II’s release caught me by surprise (a pleasant one, to say the least).
Winter 2004
I’m a Sophomore at the University of California, Santa Cruz. I’ve checked out every spoiler pic I can, downloading and reading every report and image, no matter how poor the quality. It’s the end, man.
What else was I gonna do?
Wednesday, May 9th, 2005…..
I just saw the trailer, thanks to Moiner007 and a handful of others. At first I was taken aback by the performance of Ian McDiarmid…Incredible acting. There’s nothing much left to say. But then I watched it again, and I noticed something else. Something more. I noticed that I was impressed. That I was very impressed. The dialogue and the delivery of it seems very somber, dramatically toned, and effective. It's not cheesy. And watching it reminded me of when I first watched the end of RotJ, when Luke was fighting the Emperor. It was a mixture of dread with a sort of amazement and tension as Obi-Wan and Anakin clashed cobalt blue lightsabers on Mustafar. The quality was poor, yes, but what you didn’t see in visuals was relayed tenfold in the dialogue and the atmosphere. I sent the trailer to my friend, William:

TheAnonBrit (11:18:59 PM): YES. YESS!!!!!
TheAnonBrit (11:19:06 PM): THANK CHRIST ALMIGHTY IT ACTUALLY LOOKS GOOD.
TheAnonBrit (11:21:16 PM): It looks like what star wars should be.

I was surprised to find that just watching the trailer, I had denigrated the former two prequels in my mind. They seemed corny, childlike, and superficial. They lacked in emotional depth and with a few keynote exceptions (Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor , Ian McDiarmid, and Christopher Lee), I could understand why fans had been disappointed. The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones were underwhelming and mediocre. Revenge of the Sith can be a classic surpassing even The Empire Strikes Back.

So I declare a toast, to George Lucas and to 20th Century Fox, and to all the actors, crew, post-production artists and effects-makers, both Prequel and Original, for making a classic set of films which have affected the lives of millions and will affect millions more in the future.

Here’s to one last time.

P.S.

May 18th, 2005….
Sitting in front of the Signature 9 Cinema in Santa Cruz, located on Pacific Street with Erik (who has driven 6 hours from Irvine to SC), my roommate Chris (who has taken the night off work), and my aforementioned friend William.
Only a few more hours to go….

indeed guys this is the end it will be amazing still Star Wars Rules ALL!!!

I heartily agree.

These movies captured my imagination at the age of seven and continue to do so at the age of 35.

Let's enjoy it because you only get to see it for the first time once.

BTW I'm happy to be here, I've been lurking for months but after much consideration I've finally decided to throw my hat and what's left of my hair in the ring.

Ok, who the fuck is taking up space on this site, making it go slow as hell and fucking up on me?

Goddamn TFN nubs, !

That said, I finally saw the American taped trailer and it kicked ass! Can´t wait for the actual, fullcolor one!