fair enough

for me it was the farting rumour

nothing is worse than that

Maybe they took this out to make room for the fart scene...

Dogg.

If anything, I was worried about this scene.. Dagobah wasn't a real place they could film at again like Tatooine.. it was a huge set that they would never recreate for 3 or 4 little shots.. it was gonna be digital or a miniature, or really tight shots.. and I really doubted that they could make it look anything other than annoyingly incongrous with the ESB Dagobah.. It just would never have the right feel.. I wonder if that was a consideration in cutting it.

There's some sort of philosophical discussion to be had about being spoiled on scenes that end up getting cut and whether or not, having been cut from the movie, those scenes ever existed in the first place.

...If you're into those kinds of discussions.

You're right. That stuff messes you up. When one watches the film, they won't see it as it is, they'll be thinking about it as they first knew it, as it was. Or whatever.

You people are far more logical than the crap I'm used to at TFN, and I applaud you. I want the Dagobah scene in just because it'll make me happy, and I want the Padme funeral scene out just because it'll bore me. You're all right though. I've talked immense amounts of shit about Lucas, and I'll probably continue. I think the guy actually is an efficient filmmaker. If you listen to his commentaries, you hear he cut shit(like Padme's parents house) out because the themes in it showed up later in the film. The audience can sense Anakin and Padme's feelings in other parts of the film. The man is simply rediculously efficient. To hell with character devlopment and lingering shots! Wipe to Tatooine! Wipe to Kamino! Wipe to Courscant! This sounds like a complaint, but it is meant to be a compliment with light critical elements. I give little praise to the man, and it feels good to give him some now. Sometimes stupid, useless shit like the Han and Jabba scene is left in, but usually everything non-essential is chopped out. Some people like it, but I'm just not down with the man's premium, fat-free, bare-minimum cuts; maybe someday I will be.

Don't forget about Artoo hitting a Destroyer Droid in its imaginary testicles. And Artoo's scene is still in.

That's right up there with the fart. At least Yoda has an asshole with which to fart. Since when do droids have reproductive organs?

It's that Lucas humor which only he seems to find funny.

Did JarJar have testicles? Is actual anatomical informaton that important in that type of joke? It sounds mildly funny to me. I think a lot of people read a lot of EU and want scientific explanations to things that were never meant to have them in a universe where there is sound and fire in space..

I don’t read EU. It is an abomination.

As to the scene, there is no reason for it. Not only will it not be funny, it will end up being majestic in its stupidity.

We should be praying for it to be cut.

I could care less about seeing Yoda on Dagobah. I mean, it's not like I don't know that he ends up there.

Welcome to where the conversation was yesterday

Personally, I couldn't care less if and where R2 kicks a droideka... it couldn't be much sillier than the name "droideka", for one thing.. It's funnier BECAUSE it doesn't make sense.. the humor is in the fact that it's ridiculous and makes no sense.. That's what people don't get about Star Wars.. there is always a big amount of absurdity... they want it either deathly serious, or flippant ironic Han Solo humor.. as Lucas phrased it, they want the Matrix, and that's not what it is.. even the first episode had that cheap joke with Chewie scaring the mouse droid.. but for some reason that one is considered classic now..

I personally cherish every moment R2 extends his arm and zaps some creature: my own namesake, the wrestle with Yoda too.

Whilst very funny it illustrates his hard-nosed practical edge!

And the frog getting licked outside Jabba's palace. That is classic Star Wars too. The farting stuff comes way outside of that range: its simply purile, which is I assume why it's cut (hopefully) for Yoda in ROTS.

*comes out of lurk mode*

ok, i've been lurking around this place for a really long time, never found a good enough reason to post... until now.

to throw my two bits in on the side of the minority, i admit i'm quite dissapointed that the Dagobah scene got cut, to me that was important, give's you an indication of what happens to the character, specially one as important as Yoda. showing Yoda descending on Dagobah shows that he didnt die like the rest of the Jedi, that he may have lost this battle but not the war, and thusly this character ends on a note of hope, just as Padme's death on screen gives that character a sense of closure (even if the timing is a little off continuity wise).

apologies to be a day late, but i had speak out about what many here seem to be missing. there is more to ROTS than the bang up lightsaber duels. this may actually be the star wars tale we've all been waiting for some 20+ years.

ps. those who've been knockin' LOTR's end.... you've obviously have not read the book.

For some reason, the establishing matte painting of Luke´s crash site in ESB never really gelled with the rest of the Dagobah-scenes in ESB for me. It just looked "too big" compared to the rest of the scenes, which take place in small, enclosed spaces.

And Yoda is a secondary character, if they absolutely had to cut one scene from the end, it would be this. (Besides, Dagobah´s just a swamp with some lizards from the zoo, not the most imaginative environment in SW. )

I don't even think it's because they HAD to cut a scene for time.. it's for impact.. you have 4 scenes, 3 very important and one not so important.. even if it's good on its own, the lesser one is gonna look weak by comparison, and having a weak part in the middle of a strong montage will bring down the montage as a whole.. it's like a boring part in the middle of a dance song.. it's a matter of cutting the fat to give maximum impact.

The DVD is the place for it.. mainly cause I'm curious as to how well they can pull of Dagobah.. heh.

i dont think its gonna get as graphic as that, whether or not the scene is gonna get cut.

chances are what Lucas meant by cutting the Dagobah scene would be Yoda's escape pod descending on the planet or Yoda fading into the murky fogginess of the swamp (or both), chances are it wouldnt even take more than 5 seconds. that isnt so bad. what i'm afraid Lucas is doing is by trying to save up on time he cuts out the "non-money" shots -- which half the time are the character/ story driven scenes. remember Padme's family in AOTC? had that been there it would give a bit more background that Padme isnt such a cold hearted wench that she appeared to be for most of AOTC.

we know Yoda's alive, but what's the last shot of him in ROTS? him nodding his grave little head in the medical facility? what's our last shot of Obi-Wan? he's on Tatooine, with an infant Luke in his hand and a possible fade into the twin sunsets. that's a better way to leave our heroes until the next installment. Yoda deserves something a little bit better than to have his last scene of the film in an environment that's so..... sterile.

"Many of the truths we cling to depends greatly on our own point of view"....

oh and book is better

forgive me, i forgot the winky---> (of course i knew you were joking)


the Padme family scene is only an example of scenes that give value to the story and should not have gotten shafted but did. none money shots that would have given more value story-wise. my point is not to sacrifice scenes that would give more value to the story, may it be character development or great cinematic pieces (those "picture paints a thousand words" shots).

Re-size your fucking avatar.

God.. Does having a Big Avatar get you Off?
or are you compensating for something?

hes probably a sock for that palestine flag dude.

I don't think he understands... Maybe we need to say it this way:


jungo u need 2 mak ur pic smllr dude!111 rolfllol

And yet, ladies and gentlemen, ROTS will out do the OT, if for 1 reason only. The special effects. The ability to do the "action" scenes that Lucas has always wanted. We hope as admirers, that he works the characters. Adds dimension to them. Polish up those rough spots, that we have all cringed at. Obi-1 riding/walking off into the sunset, naah. Yoda on Dagobah, naah. Funeral of Padmé, naah. End the film on the medical ship with the planers, Yoda, Obi-1 and Bail making the decisions about what to do. Some sort of good-by scene and a pledge to watch...

Yes, it would satisfy that within himself - to complete the story. To put an end on this episode, as he has done with each one. Unfortunately, this episode doesn't need that "happy" ending. Because the films are out of order, most have seen (or I hope) the OT and know how...the rest of the story goes. The point being, he is so focused - so adamant about staying within a certain time frame for the film, that this tralala happy end can be washed and more dimension to the characters, or scenes could be put in - things that time would not permit. But, we are audience members only....

i think it needs a semihopeful ending, otherwise the ending credits music doesn't fit. maybe he'll change the ending credits, but probably not.

The hope is already there - the children...

but that needs to be the last scene before the credits, not Vader and Palps basking in all their sith smugness. Even TESB ended with the shot of the galaxy and the MF leaving to get Han.

ROTS will end hopeful. It doesn't mean it's a happy ending....

We don't have to see a "hope" scene. We know it's there, we will see the children. And that not implied. We know about the OT. Use that time spent on ensure the audience that everything is going to work out - on something more definitive within the context of the film. You know that there are places in EP III where the ball is going to get dropped. I say halt with the sapy end (we already know how the whole thing ends) and double check those places where cutting was used and reconfigure.

you can say and think and hope for what the ending will be all you'd like.

But the ending will be hopefull.

Ok... and back at ya.

I thought that everything was supposed to be "ruined" at the end of ROTS.
If we have a hopeful bit somewhere near the end, but then the last shot is Vader, Sidious, etc, then I don't think any spirit of the series will be hurt. It just makes it a scary cliffhanger before we leap into the more hopeful "A New Hope."

I haven't heard that music yet, but you're probably right.

Just about 2 1/2 months left to find out!

Well lets see, TPM: Galactic partying & Padme smiling at lil Anakin

AOTC: Anakin & Padme getting married.
ANH: Medal ceremony
ESB: Luke & Leia holding eachother watching the falcon fly away to go after Han.
ROTJ: Luke seeing Force ghosts of Anakin, Yoda & Ben then joining the festivities.

All in all it seems that they have each ended with some small hopeful moment.