I thought it would be interesting to see people's list post-TROS. I know my list will be very controversial; I grew up with the OT, but felt a deeper connection with the PT (and not because I was involved in the spoiler scene etc.; I just identified with Anakin more.) And re-watching it multiple times, Attack of the Clones REALLY grows on you. It's not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. My order is always in flux but this is my list today haha. Of course, for me, I'm not a hater, but, THe Disney Trilogy was a disaster. Lacks cohesion and outside of TFA, the second two are atrocious.

1. Revenge of the Sith
2. Return of the Jedi
3. A New Hope
4. Attack of the Clones
5. The Empire Strikes Back
6. The Phantom Menace
7. The Force Awakens
8. The Rise of Skywalker
9. The Last Jedi

So refreshing to see praise for Attack of the Clones.


1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Revenge of the Sith
3. Return of the Jedi
4. A New Hope
5. Solo
6. Attack of the Clones
7. Rogue One
8. The Phantom Menace
9. Rise of Skywalker
10. The Last Jedi
11. The Force Awakens

1. Attack of the Clones. - Prelude to War / Anti-cheese Edit only
2. Empire
3. ANH
4. Last Jedi
5. Force Awakens
6. TPM
7. ROJ
8. Solo
9. Rogue
10. Revenge
11. Clone wars
12. Rise of skywalker

1. Star Wars
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. The Phantom Menace
6. Attack of the Clones
7. The Rise of Skywalker
8. The Force Awakens
9. The Last Jedi

1. Attack of the Clones
2. The Phantom Menace
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. Return of the Jedi
5. A New Hope
6. The Empire Strikes Back
7. The Last Jedi
8. The Force Awakens
9. The Rise of Skywalker (#8 were it the Abrams cut)

For some context, the prequels dominated my adolescence.

ESB
ANH
-----> timeless classics
ROTJ
TFA
TLJ
-----> well made, but flawed Star Wars films
ROTS
TPM
-----> coherent, well-told stories but flawed filmmaking
TROS
AOTC
-----> incoherent storytelling, flawed filmmaking

1. A New Hope
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Phantom Menace
6. Attack of the Clones
7. Rogue One
8. Solo
9. Rise of Skywalker
10. The Force Awakens
11. The Last Jedi - I still maintain that this movie broke the franchise, but it was set up to do so by TFA. ROS was just stuck in a corner with no way out.

1 - Empire Strikes Back
2 - A New Hope
3 - The Phantom Menace
4 - Return Of The Jedi
5 - Rogue One
6 - Revenge Of The Sith
7 - Attack Of The Clones
8 - The Force Awakens
9 - Rise Of Skywalker
10 - Last Jedi
11 - Solo

I grew up with Star Wars through the games in the 90s, actually. Rebel Assault, X-Wing, Tie Fighter, Rogue Squadron... Then the Special Editions got released and I was hooked (as the only familiy member, really). I was age 14 when The Phantom Menace released.

The reason I rank Phantom Menace so high is because it just shows the boundless imagination of Lucas (podracing, droid armies). It still gave me the adventurous feeling of a 80s-90s movie but with previously unseen visual spectacle.
The sequels don't do much for me, though I like some of the characters. Last Jedi had way too much subverting expectations regarding Luke, Snoke, Rey... I don't mind a good twist, but it felt like they saw every theory video on Youtube and did the exact same opposite.
Solo was atrocious to watch. And I mean that literally. I have a hard time seeing through that dull, washed out grey drab to be excited.

TPM gets a bad rap. It sets the foundation for six films which is an almost impossible job yet it did a fantastic job. For me, half the time, I put it above Empire. I personally think Empire is very overrated, and Empire was the first SW film I ever saw.

I'm convinced TESB isn't even a Star Wars film on account of its differing style and tone. I mean, why is this one film so often cast as the defining film of the franchise when it's so different from the majority of the original six entries? It feels like so many are in denial about what this franchise actually is when they insist so adamantly on TESB as the golden boy.

I'm about to get thrashed, aren't I?

I haven't done a ranking yet because I felt that it wouldn't be fair to you all if I did one without going to see TROS yet.

But I will tell you this. Some of you know I always have defended the Prequels during the PT Era. And some of you did bash me for it.

I liked TPM. It did what it was designed to do, set up the entire saga. There are some things I could have lived without for example, Jar Jar stepping on Bantha shit or kept Maul until AOTC. But as a whole, the film delivered on the setup, and the buildup to the next two movies. Unlike most people I was a fan of the OT, but I understood that the PT was set in a different time and era hence it wouldn't look like the OT that we all love and know. So, I went in to see TPM with low expectations. And guess what? I thoroughly enjoyed it.

AOTC had an interesting premise but the story did need more polish. Anakin going back to Tatooine and his whining didnt bother me because I was a lot like that when I was a teenager all the way into college. At the end of the movie, it was very cool that Palpatine basically manipulated the entire galaxy into starting another war.. it was an echo of what was happening in our real lives (the War in Iraq based on lies and by extension, what is about to happen with Iran.) To me, Palpatine was basically Bush misleading the galaxy on a bunch of lies. But the difference? Palpatine was pure evil because he was following the Sith playbook.

ROTS...I really, really loved this film. The journey from Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader (both before and after the suit) was really intriguing. You know he wasn't really evil as he explains why he needed to go bad in order to save his wife (and by extension, his unborn twin children.) He thought he needed Palpatine to save them but he was misled by Palpatine. So I can only empathize with Anakin because we understand what his motivations was and why he did this or there. The other part that really stood out for me was how the Old Republic morphed into the Galactic Empire and how Palpatine seized full control over the government. Afterwards, the group of senators that really represented the old core values of the Old Republic was suddenly blindsided by this and was like, "Fuck, now we need to organize a Rebellion to combat the new Emperor cause he's killing off the Jedi." I loved how that Padme was one of the founding members of this new Rebellion and that 20 years later, Leia would follow in her mother's footsteps. And the ending with Owen, Beru holding Baby Luke in their arms with the twin suns... PERFECTION. The reveal of the first Death Star even if it was just a skeleton at this point in time was really well done too.

As for Empire, Different is good because it was sad, more somber and more grander in scale compared to ANH yet... it retained that SW DNA. It respected what came before it and expanded on it. Yoda really did drive the entire movie because it made us all believe that a puppet was a living breathing alien who was once a Jedi Master for so many hundred years only to be defeated by The Emperor and Vader. The parts where Vader was chasing the Millennium Falcon because he wanted to find Luke was really well made. It made me believe that there was serious shit happening in space. The Vader/Luke duel? Perfection.

Now, compare Empire to The Last Jedi... Yes, TLJ tried to be different, but it ended up being TOO DIFFERENT and insulted our intelligence as a fandom in the process. Yes, the visuals are gorgeous, but that's about it. What Disney did to all the characters including Luke was insulting. I mean, have Luke do some kind of projecting then... dies. That was horrible. Even Luke hating on the Jedi and throwing his ANH/Empire Saber away felt completely out of character. If Lucas had directed this, he would have had Luke train Rey the whole movie then save him for IX. TLJ is no Empire but it did try too hard to be Empire and it backfired.

Disclaimer: My first real experience with SW post-OT was through the Super Star Wars SNES Trilogy. (Great SNES trilogy, really hard but fun to play through.) Then Rebel Assault 1-2, Yoda's Stories, Shadows of the Empire, and Rogue Squadron N64 followed after that. That was my real exposure to SW after years of watching the OT on VHS.. (I saw the CBS/Fox VHS set, a countless number of TV marathons before finally moving on to the 1995 THX VHS set.)

TL;DR
1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. The Phantom Menace
3. Return of the Jedi
4. A New Hope
5. The Rise of Skywalker
6. The Last Jedi
7. The Force Awakens
8. Revenge of the Sith
9. Attack of the Clones


Now before your criticize, this is all 100% scientific ranking after re-watching all films in order.

TESB is obviously no-brainer, plus I'm biased since that walker battle was dope af when I first saw it as a kid. But Empire has the best character development and story out of all the movies.

TPM is second, period. It is pure STAR WARS, straight out of George's mind without any influence of negative internet fan-bashing.

ROTJ, why the hell would you not love those stormtrooper devouring ewoks!? Plus we got Luke being a total badass embracing some darksides... he's wearing black and force chokes the guards in Jabba's palace.

ANH was always a little boorish to me... the desert, the sand.... I hate sand. But once we get to Mos Eisley and hop on the Death Star, hellz yeah!

TROS was schlocky as hell and I loved it. Out of the ST its the most fun, why the hell weren't Rey, Finn, Poe more together all the time!? UNLIMITED POWAAAAAH!

TLJ has grown on me. The Reylo stuff is good and I can dig dark Luke. It still reeks of Disney though, especially that 30 second Disney Parks ending with Broom Boy and shooting star.

TFA never did much for me. It better shot than EP2 and EP3, thank god for film, but man... why more of the same?? X-Wings, TIEs, New Han, Lady Luke, Teen Vader? This is a new era, show me something different.

ROTS is... a film. The last time the saga ended I was completely checked out. Yay, we're gonna wrap up all these threads into a Star Wars! Oooh, a 45min lightsaber swinging contest on lava!

AOTC is G. Lucas trolling us, right? This is all reaction to the fan backlash. Soo you want more lightsabers, okay Geonosis arena. Oh you want more stuff you've seen before, Yoda fights now! And we'll do it on digital and make it look flat as a soap opera!

ctr-control,

I like your enthusiasm, and back when I posted as a teenager on ep-x, here, and at TF.n, I would say my opinion wasn't subjective but objective fact. I still think my view of the films (the ranking is meaningless; all the films are so close besides the shitty DT) are correct from a filmmaking standpoint. I mean ROTS and AOTC last is like...you're joking right?

To be fair, AOTC was at the bottom for me not long ago of the first six. I watched it again and realized why I loved it as a teenager. Anakin's corny dialogue, like the fireplace scene, is EXACTLY how an awkward teenager would talk. I thought the pacing was okay.

TPM I originally had in the top 3 (I keep saying, my order changes all the time.) Structurally I think it's the best SW film, it has the difficult job of setting the foundation for six films, and it does so masterfully.

While ROTS is still my favorite, I'll say everything in ROTJ with Vader, Luke, and The Emperor is perfection.

I won't speak on the DT, but the one disagreement I really have with you is ESB. which is okay. to me that movie is good, just not elite. And just to prove to you, this is my list today:

1. Revenge of the Sith
2. Return of the Jedi
3. Attack of the Clones
4. The Phantom Menace
5. A New Hope
6. The Empire Strikes Back
7. The Force Awakens
8. The Rise of Skywalker
9. The Last Jedi

Like I said, my ranking was 100% scientific.

I hate to list the Disney movies ahead of OG G.Lucasfilm, but, the Disney movies are better crafted films than ROTS and AOTC. ROTS and AOTC have some interesting story threads, but man are they not well made. Heck, Dennis Murran took a backseat on ATOC and straight up quit when it came time to do ROTS. I believe that really hurt the VFX. There are terrible shots in ROTS that look unfinished. ATOC is the worst offender with nearly every frame looking sooooo flat.

So here's the real question, how are you ranking these films? What's the criteria? Is it just your opinion or is there some criteria?

It can't be scientific because as much as I hate to admit it these films are subjective, not objective. Objective is scientific. Film and art are not objective, they are subjective.

I have to agree with Ki Adi. Lucas has always said that the first six films was purely based on art. PT is based on 50s Art deco and OT is based on 70's art. Both trilogies even follows that kind of art both in story and filmmaking.

ST? There's no art in these films. No real style.. It was just basically Disney pressing ctrl+C then pasted into their movies from the OT.

There is art in the sequel trilogy, its just art you don't agree with or like. It has a style its just lacking a bit in substance, that being planned out story arcs and character development. But the prequels have that same problem, lack of character development. 2 & 3, Lucas wasn't even shooting scenes anymore. He started shooting elements that he could just edit in post. That's a huge flaw.

My criteria for ranking these movies:

1. Story - things happen for reasons
2. Character Development - being invested in the main characters and their growth
3. Newness Factor - seeing something we haven't before
4. Technical - acting, cinematography, continuity
5. Visual Effects - mind blowing awesomeness

TPM does very good in all of this, and the ST's do great in a few of these and fall flat in others. EP2 & EP3 just fall short in all of this. The biggest detriment is Anakin. The Obi/Qui Gon buddy cop team up of TPM is great, and unfortunately we don't get anything that investing in the next two. Obi-Wan and Anakins relationship sucks and is not entertaining. Plus the story is too concerned with hitting plot points we know vs telling a natural progressing story.

Yes I don't like TLJ and I think TROS is simply poorly put together, but, you're missing the point. Art is subjective. There is no scientific process (coming from someone who worked in social research) to this at all. Every single "criteria" you listed is subjective.

To be scientific it would need to be objective. And even your descriptions lack objectivity. sorry kthxbye

There is nothing subjective about the ST - They were made and rushed out so the Disney executives could go back to their shareholders and say, "look, we made back the $4 billions plus more that we paid out to Old Man Lucas for this shit."

The Sequel Trilogy is basically Jurassic Park in a sense - Executives took advantage of an old man and turned something so beloved into something that makes people wanna scream and cry.

in fact, the Sequel Trilogy should be known as the Profit Trilogy because that's what it was designed to do, maximize profits for Disney.

Art is not purely subjective. There are qualitative aspects of art to which they can be judged. Such as technique.

If I were to subjectively rank these movies, it would be something like TESB, ROTJ, TPM, ANH, ROTS, AOTC, TROS, TFA, TLJ. But one should strive to understand what and why you feel that way and subject these movies to this criteria and see if you get the same result. So I'm sticking with my objective ranking.

Your ranking isn't objective. Just look at your "criteria." Objective=scientific. I'm well educated enough to know this. and DP I'm sorry if I'm coming off a bit strong but this is total bullshit.



"things happen for reasons" - subjective and everything happens for a reason. this is an oxymoron.

"being interested in the main characters and their growth" - this is subjective because everyone has different reasons for identifying with certain characters based on their own experiences in life and their personalities. For instance, I identify most with Anakin due to my life experiences and my personality. Others will identify with Luke, or Rey, or Han for different reasons. This doesn't make their OPINIONS less valid. Again, subjective.

"seeing something we haven't before" somewhat objective but you're not specific. you could point to so many things and say "oh we haven't seen that before" and it can be the smallest thing. this is subjective because you're not being specific in your measurement of what something different is; it's not defined.

"acting, cinematography, continuity" - again, subjective. there are different styles of acting. I think Hayden did an amazing job with the prequels. Some don't. I think Adam Driver does not do a good job in the ST. I think Mark Hamill is only good in ROTJ. If you look at continuity the ST has issues all over the place. Opinions on cinematography are subjective. None of this is objective and merely conjecture and opinion.

"mind blowing awesomeness" - this is the most ridiculous criteria of the bunch. The visual effects vary from OT to PT to ST. the PT has the best special effects in the Saga, but, Lucas was very smart. The space battle in ROTS in the beginning was meant to be fundamentally different than the battle at the end of ANH so it didn't take away from the magic of the first Death Star battle. You can't really compare the two; the technology wasn't as advanced and the battles are completely different. The lightsaber battles in the OT and PT are very different, mostly on purpose, but the OT lightsaber battles are still great. I prefer the battles in the PT but that is my PREFERENCE. It's not objective, it's subjective.

Basically your criteria is bullshit and I can respect your opinion if you were to say that hey, this is my ranking, it may be different than yours but that's cool. But to say that yours is 100% scientific and more correct than the rest of the posters here, who have posted here and other boards together for the better part of 20 years? gtfo. you joined like yesterday.

Obviously someone doesn't understand sarcasm. 100% scientific wasn't meant to be purely scientific, but was meant sarcastically that I at least used some sort of rubric to order these films. Its based off the criteria I have presented, and when I threw all of these films up against that criteria, that is the ranking that I am left with. Like it or not.

If you are asking people to rank these films, I thought it would be fun to at least throw some criteria against this and see how they would compare in my book, not just based on gut feeling. Give a little weight to the ranking.

But obviously y'all just want people to disagree with.

I mean, come on. Aren't you being a bit objective here... "films aren't objective".

What's your criteria. How is your ranking correct from a filmmaking standpoint? What are you basing that off of?

My point was everyone thinks they are right, myself included. That's what makes this all subjective.

I just think your criteria is BS. All of it is purely subjective. I have my criteria, but I'm not saying that it's objective because we all view things differently.

I may have come off as harsh but to say your rankings are objective and scientific, coming from someone who has done scientific research, is kinda BS man. that's all. I respect your rankings though. I disagree, completely, but hey we all come from a different perspective and I respect that.

A plot twist I never saw coming was an appreciation of the PT in light of the ST. The rankings listed so far, albeit a small sample size, seem to reflect more respect for the PT than I could have anticipated. Encouraging.

I realize this isn't very concrete, but the ST is lacking a George Lucas "soul" to it. I can't come up with a better term, but there's something uniquely Lucas about his films that distinguish them from anything else. Is it because I know he wasn't central in their story or production? A fun thought experiment would be to try to watch the ST without knowing who was responsible for the story, screenplay, direction, production, etc. of those films and ask yourself how much Lucas had to do with their making.

This, for me, ultimately comes down to the question of "Was the ST necessary to fully realize the Skywalker Saga?" My answer to that is a definitive "no." However, I am glad they exist. There's entertainment value there, and there are some amazing musical moments. A good ST exists out there, somewhere. But it has to fully address Ben Solo's turn, corruption at the hands of Snoke, and ultimate fall. That the story began well after that severely limited its potential from the get-go. According to the Art of The Force Awakens, Rick Carter set out to ask his group "How strong is the Force?" That was the guiding question in the concept phase of that film. Which for me, begs the question - Why is a production designer/art director laying down the story path for this part of the saga? That's a writer's/director's job.

There is non-Lucas content like Rebels, Jedi Fallen Order, The Mandalorian and some (but not all) Marvel comics content that prove in my mind, others can incorporate that Lucas soul into the stories. I give all credit to Dave Filoni for that. If I sat in Bob Iger's chair for a day, I would redefine Kathy Kennedy's job title and restructure Lucasfilm so that Dave Filoni is the creative content director for the Star Wars brand. He sets the guardrails by which all other writers/directors must follow, across all mediums (comics, novels, features, TV, video games). If a Hollywood director doesn't like that, too fucking bad. He'll find someone else.

Star Wars is far from dead. The discourse surrounding TLJ and TROS show that people still care, deeply. A death knell for the franchise isn't hate or anger, it's indifference. I lived through the "dark years" of 1984-91, when Star Wars was fairly irrelevant. I'm thankful we aren't there yet, and I hope we never will be.

I would rather have the dark years again than to sit through another trilogy of Disney horseshit.

Good list DP. I have the prequels a bit higher but honestly I was 13 when TPM came out so while I grew up with the OT the PT was probably more prevalent for me.

01. ESB
02. ANH
03. ROTS
04. TFA
05. ROTJ
06. AOTC
07. TPM
08. TROS
09. SOLO
10. R1
11. TLJ


Only thing that hurts the prequels for me is Ep. II & III we're shot digital and not on film. They look like video and are a visual disconnect from the rest. I can easily make the visual connect of I to IV thru XI.

I think ep. VII and IX actually have the best dialogue hands down.

TLJ and R1 are completely tone deaf to the established tone and style of these films and this hurt Solo.

I want the JJ Cut.

The PT is more tonally inconsistent with the OT than any of the other films.

There are definitely periodic tonal shifts in TLJ (off-beat comedy, political grandstanding, etc) and I do agree that the style of filmmaking is different in the ST than the OT or PT (use of flashbacks, over-reliance on mystery-based storytelling, etc).

01. A New Hope
02. The Empire Strikes Back
03. Revenge of the Sith
04. Attack of the Clones
05. Return of the Jedi
06. The Phantom Menace
07. The Last Jedi
08. The Rise of Skywalker
09. The Force Awakens

Oddly enough, whilst writing this, I’ve only just released that all the titles of the ST start with ‘The’. Even that annoys me.

Bugs me too.

About to see TROS in few minutes. Will report back to share my thoughts and finally compile my ranking of the films.

This is our most desperate hour. Help us, Freezus. Your finalized ranking of the films is our only hope.

1. Revenge of the Sith (if the Lucas Star Wars films are my favorite films of all time... you're looking at my single most cherished movie ever right here)
2. A New Hope
3. The Phantom Menace (still the purest version of Star Wars ever committed to film)
4. Empire
5. Attack of the Clones
6. Return of the Jedi

...Yep, whole saga is accounted for there in that list.

I'd say The Last Jedi is the best of the Disney movies but I don't have any desire to revisit it outside of the throne room scene with Rey, Kylo and the Praetorian guards. The cross cutting between the different story threads during that scene is really effective and very good filmmaking, I just can't be bothered to care about any of the characters in the Disney movies.

I do an annual rewatch of the films and each time I do, I find myself more and more impressed by the prequels. There's so much I love about those movies.

1. ROTS
2. TESB
3. ANH
4. ROTJ
5. TPM
6. TFA
7. TROS
8. AOTC
9. TLJ

That’s my final ranking of the whole saga.

My review will come next.

https://imgur.com/a/4oMl1BC

In case anyone doesn’t believe me going to see TROS.. that’s a captioning box.