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Hokusai
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I think David went a bit off script with that call. There is always the weaponization aspect of Weyland and maybe he thought some sort of frozen alien for the trip would be interesting to the company. I dont think it turned out the way he thought it might.
doesnt the mural (gieger) on the wall prove that the engineers have seen some sort of "alien" before? |
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E_CHU_TA!
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe. I think the mural is largely meant to be a recognizable image for the audience's behalf. It says "warning bad Alien-type stuff is about to happen." Regardless, it’s a wonderfully ironic image: the destroyer and surrogate for selfishness posing like the Christian savior who sacrificed himself for humanity. It really gets to the heart of what the film is about.
My biggest question on gender isn’t related to “Deacon.” If humanity is derived from the Engineers, where are the female Engineers?
Regarding David and the poisoning, I think he was trying to speed things along at Weyland’s behest. Holloway was a guinea pig to see if the black syrup netted positive (not negative) side effects. |
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Topeka
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Who created the Engineers? 
It's great that this film has people thinking. |
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bearvomit
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Fifield, what he was originally suppose to look like as well as the Xeno and squid thing.
Creature design artwork above.
Also, here's a pic from a deleted scene.
There were originally 3 Engineers at the beginning sacrifice. Notice one is much older.
Here's storyboards of that extended scene:
 
Here are some production set photos of the Engineers and their suits in detail: dropbox.com
They're apparently bio-mechanical. Like the Borg but religious.
The BluRay is suppose to have the original script where it more directly linked to Alien, as well as 20 minutes of deleted scenes including a longer take on Shaw's fight at the end. She originally fought and worked over the Engineer with that axe but Ridley thought it made him seem too weak so the whole fight was cut! |
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CoGro
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Look at :23 of the video.
VIDEO
That looks like an egg to me. |
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Bandersnatch
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:03 am Post subject: |
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A friend of mine told me tonight that he has always found the "biology of Alien to be rather far-fetched and hard to believe."
So I showed him this:
VIDEO
There are real-life things on our own planet that are far more fucked up than what appears in these movies.
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Longtime_Sunshine
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| That "Deacon" ending looks like something David Fincher would shoot (ironically). It is so different stylistically than the rest of the movie |
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TroyObliX
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Bandersnatch wrote: | | There are real-life things on our own planet that are far more fucked up than what appears in these movies. |
Nice video. I like the one about the interuterine canibalism of tiger sharks. There is a heartless genius to biomechanics. Rawr.
Thanks for sharing! |
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bearvomit
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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try at least 9 Engineers at the opening sacrifice! they need a lightsaber in their hands and we'll have something worth watching
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Hokusai
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Or wands... that one dude looks like Volde... you know who. |
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Thundercracker
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| bearvomit wrote: | try at least 9 Engineers at the opening sacrifice! they need a lightsaber in their hands and we'll have something worth watching
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I wonder why they cut out the other Engineers from the opening?
I find the contrast of appearance between the Engineer at the beginning and those later in the film interesting. The one in the beginning (and those in the deleted shots) with their pristine robes seem like they could have a religious and spiritual nature. The act of the Engineer drinking the liquid seemed very ceremonial and like a right of passage (even more so in the deleted shots and storyboards).
The Engineers in the holograms and the one awakened from cryo-sleep appeared very militaristic in nature with their armor-like exo-suits, bio weapon machinations and malevolent behavior. The ship in the opening was also a more classical saucer shape design as opposed to the derelict.
Could there possibly more than one sect of Engineers? Those that perhaps want to seed life throughout the universe through self sacrifice and those who want to eradicate life using biological warfare. Probably just reading to much into it.  |
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The_Somnambulist
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| That's not too incredible at all. You don't have to look too far to see this sort of dichotomy elsewhere. |
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Bandersnatch
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Just found this gif of part of the cut Shaw/Engineer fight:
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Bandersnatch
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Really cool American Cinematographer article:
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Zaius
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Bandersnatch
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Alternate and deleted scenes revealed:
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/search/?searchwhere=db&q=Prometheus
ALTERNATE AND DELETED SCENES: [34:54]
* ARRIVAL OF THE ENGINEERS [2:31]
* TIS THE SEASON [0:58]
* OUR FIRST ALIEN [0:42]
* SKIN [0:42]
* WE’RE NOT ALONE ANYMORE [1:22]
* STRANGE BEDFELLOWS [2:57]
* HOLLOWAY HUNGOVER [1:25]
* DAVID’S OBJECTIVE [0:23]
* JANEK FILLS VICKERS IN [3:27]
* A KING HAS HIS REIGN [3:40]
* FIFIELD ATTACKS [2:01]
* THE ENGINEER SPEAKS [4:06]
* FINAL BATTLE [5:30]
* PARADISE [5:05]
| Quote: | | * JANEK FILLS VICKERS IN [3:27] |
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Zaius
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Bandersnatch
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Bandersnatch
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Shaw vs. Engineer, doggie-style:
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bearvomit
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:50 am Post subject: |
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I've seen the above fight. that's an axe that she's just burried into his side. She really messes him up good with a few chops to the calf and side, blood squirting everywhere.
also saw the full scene where he talks as he's getting out of the coffin and kills David. I'm left to wonder why Scott took all of these scenes out because they, along with others, really add to the movie. |
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Bandersnatch
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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I saw that and most of the other deleted scenes, too. Cool stuff.
I don't know if that whole fight scene was necessary, but the moment when she downed some vodka and shot up some more pain killers might have assuaged the idiots who couldn't understand how she seemed to not feel much pain in the last act. |
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Zaius
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bearvomit
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:16 am Post subject: |
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deleted scenes can be viewed here:
http://www.sockshare.com/file/B0B569A1F19AF2DB#
this includes the new opening with several Engineers, discovering their first mini-snake alien in the tunnel, the alternate designed "alien Fiefeld" attack, and a new ending where she retrieves the android's head and decides to go to "Paradise".
the editing decisions in this movie confound me. why did they cut so many interesting scenes out of this film?? |
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The_Somnambulist
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree. Peter Weyland's final words for the awoken engineer is very insightful and thematically rich. Shame it was cut. |
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Bandersnatch
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Wow! The Fifield attack scene is a million times better and creepier in the cut scene. And the line "our first alien" is awesome. I don't get why that was cut. That extra scene of finding a growing worm would have only added about a minute to the film.
Some of the cuts made in Prometheus truly have me stumped. |
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bearvomit
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I've read that people are already working on cuts of the film with these scenes added back. It will be interesting to see how this plays through a complete viewing with the new Fifield scene, talking Engineer, Engineer attack and extended ending.
It's beginning to look like it was less the writer's fault as it was the editor and Scott himself that ruined this film! |
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Treadwell
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Thundercracker wrote: | I wonder why they cut out the other Engineers from the opening?
I find the contrast of appearance between the Engineer at the beginning and those later in the film interesting. The one in the beginning (and those in the deleted shots) with their pristine robes seem like they could have a religious and spiritual nature. The act of the Engineer drinking the liquid seemed very ceremonial and like a right of passage (even more so in the deleted shots and storyboards).
The Engineers in the holograms and the one awakened from cryo-sleep appeared very militaristic in nature with their armor-like exo-suits, bio weapon machinations and malevolent behavior. The ship in the opening was also a more classical saucer shape design as opposed to the derelict.
Could there possibly more than one sect of Engineers? Those that perhaps want to seed life throughout the universe through self sacrifice and those who want to eradicate life using biological warfare. Probably just reading to much into it. |
I haven't seen this film yet - completely forgot about it until I read through this thread the other day to be honest - but I'm quite looking forward to the blu-ray now.
Thundercracker has touched upon the most interesting aspect of this for me - by holding back on what we actually learn about the Engineers for the final cut, the onus is on us to decide why it is the people that created us might also want to destroy us.
And the instinct is to presume humans didn't turn out as planned/have f**ked up/have done something to piss the Engineers off etc... to presume it is all about our point of view.
But the truth is - if we have changed over time, so might they. For me (again, without having actually seen the film) its inviting us to look at where we came from, and where we are at now as a race... and then imagine, do the Engineers really need any kind of motive instigated by us to have changed their beliefs so drastically over time? Do they/should they necessarily all think alike and act alike anyway? |
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Bandersnatch
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Treadwell wrote: | | Do they/should they necessarily all think alike and act alike anyway? |
Fantastic point. I hope some of the commentary or interviews on the Blu Ray, or maybe the sequel, will shed some light on this.
| bearvomit wrote: |
It's beginning to look like it was less the writer's fault as it was the editor and Scott himself that ruined this film! |
I agree to a certain extent, but I don't think it was "ruined," I just don't agree with some of the cuts that were made. |
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CoGro
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