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I'm glad the rebellion scenes aren't in the movie...they detract from the essential part of the story. there are some subtle things that i would have liked to stay in the film, such as seeds of distrust with the anakin/padme/obi-wan dynamic, but overall it isn't needed.

Only scene I want back in the film is the qui-gon scene with Yoda (RICK MCCALLUM IS FULL OF SHIT, IT WAS RECORDED), and the scene with Obi-Wan and Padme before Obi leaves to Utapau. I think it is a heartbreaking scene, and adds a little extra to the Obi/Padme relationship that is needed.


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This Qui-Gon Jinn shit really amuses me...

No one had a problem with what we saw in the Original Trilogy, Obi disappeared, Yoda disappeared; they both came back as corporeal ghosts and were joined by Anakin Skywalker at the climax of the saga.
People handled that for 15 years or so without having a frigging coronary.
Seems to me no one was complaining back in 1977, 1980 and 1983 when we made those three films one of the most successful and well-loved movie franchises ever.

Now, all of a sudden, it is absolutely essential that we have Qui-Gon Jinn explain all of this mystical shit for us.
Bollocks.
No one would have even given it any thought, it just so happens we were spoiled beforehand and were expecting this scene to be in the movie.
The facts are still clearly stated in the movies:

TPM - Qui-Gon Jinn is a maverick Jedi. He has a different approach to his Jedi peers and speaks of the living Force and the importance of listening to "what your heart tells you". He dies.
AOTC - Yoda is visibly shocked to make contact with a dead Jedi through meditation.
ROTS - Yoda reveals this to Obi-Wan, that QGJ has become one with the Force and has retained his identity. He vows to teach Obi how to commune with his former Master.

That is it.
We were never gonna be told HOW TO BECOME A FORCE GHOST, just like we have never actually been told "how" to generate Sith lightning.
Because *whispers* we don't know "how" to become a ghost, Lucas doesn't know "how".
If we knew how it worked, we would be able to do it ourselves.
All we were ever going to learn is "why" some Jedi disappear and some don't.
And the reason why is because QGJ was special - his approach was unique, his practices were unique - he learnt how to do this, and he came back to show Yoda and Obi how to be "better" Jedi.
It's all in the films, and now we watch ANH and see exactly what it is Obi has learned from QGJ over that 18 year period.


But I digress - the facts are that, for whatever reason, this scene was never realised.
It could never have been a deleted scene - it was never in the cut to be deleted in the first place!
Face the truth - the QGJ scene is history.


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I think with most everyone who has seen the OT before the Prequels, pretty much followed through with what Yoda was saying to Obi-Wan at the end of ROTS for his training. I didn't need no long ass explination for the reason why Qui-Gon managed to come back from the nether world of the force and how Yoda was able to talk to Qui-Gon.

Edit: Thanks to DarthFirst for sending the pics do DP. I am very looking forward to getting my copy of Episode III, November 1st.


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The thing I don't get is, you KNOW the explanation from the dropped QGJ scene, you know about the scene and you know exactly what was said in it.
So why are you bothered?
Do you suddenly forget this explanation when you come to watch the film?
How can it ruin the film for you?
Are you concerned about what these mysterious folk who are "watching episodes 1-6 for the first time" (TM) are going to think when they watch the films? Because personally I couldn't give a flying f**k about them, whoever they are... they certainly don't figure in my personal perception of the film.

(But for what it's worth, Yoda seems to succinctly convey the exact same message that the QGJ gave in his dialogue anyway, so I don't see the difference.)


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I get the sense that the "by the way" feeling of Yodas delivery on Qui-Gon to Obi-Wan was intentional. Played out as a whole scene between Yoda and Qui-Gon would have disrupted the main plot and focus (Anakins turn to the dark side). The plotline didnt need the heavier emphasis. It would have made the storytelling scale tip the wrong way.

To me, the choice that Lucas made in this instance shows him at his most professional.


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