Another note, did the shot right at the start of the two starfighters speeding across the face of the ship make anyone else feel quezy but in a good way.. that such a film could draw you in and make you feel like that?

And another.. anyone else notice that the CGI on Yoda looked almost puppet like the way ILM made him move, moreso than they could do for AOTC - I loved it.

I didn't get quezy, but I did have a huge grin on my face, it was unbelievable! I loved it how it was all quite until they got past the cruser and then you see and hear all hell breaking lose

Did anyone notice the bit where Anakin chokes Obi-Wan and as he pushes him to the floor, the saber Obi is holding switches between his and Anakin's?

So the Star Wars saga is finally complete. No more waiting for the next movie, no more anticipation, scouring the internet for spoilers...It's all over.

So as a hardcore Star Wars fan how did I like Revenge of The Sith? To be honest, I left the theatre feeling that it went by too quickly and something was definately missing. After thinking about what that something was, I'd say it was the feeling of wonder and excitement that I had from the previous two episodes. This is due to the fact that I went in to the movie knowing every single plot twist. I guess there is such thing as knowing too much. I also had this whole experience really built up in my mind and expected a lot more.

Now for my criticisms of the film.

In terms of acting, the movie was mediocre. I couldn't help but notice the stiff delivery of the lines by Hayden Christensen. That took away from the experience in a way. Towards the end of the movie, he knocked it up a few notches and it wasn't that bad. From reading the novel, his character became someone that I really wanted to believe in and empathise with. When I finally saw him on the screen doing his thing, I felt that I couldn't (except for when he was practically writhing in his 'hate').

Natalie Portman is another loser here. This isn't the amazing Natalie Portman from Garden State and Closer. Maybe it was the material, but I really didn't like what I saw from her in Sith. She is no longer the strong, determined character we saw in the pervious two movies. Maybe it's because she's pregnant that she gets quite emotional too easily (thanks a lot, George). Much to her credit though, she does deliver some cool, thoughtful lines when the Empire is formed.

With Ewan McGregor we get the classic, Alec Guiness performance we've been waiting for. He scores major points for the nostalgia factor here. From the classic lines like "hello there", to the way he strokes his sexy beard (not gay), it really shows the work he put into lining up his character with the one established by Guiness in 1977. Well done.

Now the real star of the film would be Ian McDiarmid as Palpatine/Darth Sidious. It is the moment where his character gets to come out of the shadows and become the evil Emperor we know from Return of The Jedi. He handles the material quite well. From being the loving uncle to Anakin, to blatantly manipulating him, to taking his place as the Emperor. It's quite amazing to see McDiarmid pull this all off. I was also really impressed by how he values facial expression when delivering his lines which were a crucial to the plot. There were also some parts he did that scared the shit out of me. Brilliant.

I'm not going too much into the other performances. Yoda was handled well by ILM and Frank Oz. Still no where near Gollum, but he still remained pretty convincing. Sam Jackson as Mace Windu had some pretty badass parts. I just wish he said "motherfucker" at least once.

Lucas' editing for this film was like a two edged sword. It was extremely tight and moved the plot along with stunning efficiency, but at the same time it made me feel like everything was happening too quickly which made it hard to absorb the gravity of some truly powerful moments. You could say he's too good at it for his own good.

Special effects. So good yet so bad. You get some really cool moments like the opening space battle that made me wanna cream my jeans. Then there's some stupid moments like the plasticy looking babies and doubles of Temura Morrison as the clone troops. Why couldn't they keep the quality consistent? Oh well. Perhaps that is a drawback of watching the film on a digital projector. The quality is so good, you see the stuff that you're not supposed to see. With that said, I won't be suprised if ILM gets an Oscar nomination for this badboy. The amount of digital work done to breathe life into the film was impressive by any standard.

The soundtrack was another impressive point of the film. It was nothing less than perfect in my humble opinion. This would be because John Williams is a musical genious. He effectively tied together themes from the original trilogy scores (that I love oh so much), with the equally impressive themes from the prequel trilogy. The music was almost like a character of its own, absorbing and enhancing the emotions that were being attempted by the other characters. It makes it an operatic experience. Without it, the movie would've been emotionaly flat.

Finally the plot. You have to look at these movies as one continuing story to fully appreciate it. In that sense, it masterfuly bridges the prequel trilogy to the original trilogy. More importantly, it enhances the significance of the original trilogy by adding depth and motivation to the Darth Vader character. On its own, it attempts to show what motivates people to sacrifice their morals and how dictatorships can be handed out by the ignorance of the masses.

In conclusion, I think that people who go into the film not knowing what will happen, will be pleasantly suprised and entertained. That would explain the amount of reviews praising the film. As for myself though, I'm glad in a sense that this is over and finally complete. Empire Strikes Back will always be my favourite of the six, but for now, this one will keep a much deserved second-place to that one.


3.5/5

I love this movie. After years of anticipation, it was almost bittersweet that SW is now, for all intensive purposes, over.

But this was definitely the film to end the series. I had few, if any problems with the dialogue. I was expecting it to be bad, but it was much better than I was expecting. The aspect I disliked the most were the voices of the Trade Federation droids and Neimodians. I realize that Lucas got some flack for their voices in Episode I, but I would have rather he kept them consistent than make them worse in this movie. But this is my worst complaint, so that ain't bad.

It finally felt like Anakin and Obi-Wan were true friends. The opening action sequences were great, but like the rest of the movie, they went by extremely fast. This movie really moves.

I was very impressed with Ewan's performance. Ian was good, but I don't think he owned this film like so many others do.

It will take some repeat viewings to determine how this ranks against the others, but as of right now.

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ANH
AOTC
TPM

Thanks for everything everybody. I really enjoyed sharing the anticipation of the prequels with all of you.

Did anyone else feel like the scene on Tantive IV where Bail gives Antilles the droids, braught them back to the OT? Just seemed like a moment from A New Hope to me.. loved it.

I was decidedly mixed on ROTS. Parts of it were great...parts of it weren't. All in all, I would say I'm dissapointed, but probably more because the series is over than anything.

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I'd say so. I think that's what's at the heart of all of the "disappointed" comments.

Overall, I liked it, but it could have been better. Typically, the first act (first 25 minutes or so) were terrific, but then it slowed down dreadfully. All action-type films have peaks and valleys of fast and slow points, but this one had peaks and chasms. The slow parts were slowwwwwwww. The film would have moved better if it was ten minutes shorter, clipping here and there throughout.

Anakin obviously is a passionate person, but even here he's still so incredibly immature and often plain stupid: "I'll join this evil guy who can teach me to save my wife's life so I can stop crying." Come on. And Padme's "you're breaking my heart." Weak. She's already proven how tough she is, should have slapped his face and screamed "Wake up! Look what you're doing!" The emotional investment is too minimum. I'm still finding a hard time caring about these characters. Vader's dialog was awful.

No problem with the action sequences. Great saber duels and chases (although I don't think the big AS/OWK duel outdid the three-sided TPM fight). The comedy relief was just enough quick jokes to support a scene without taking over. The acting was better all around. The whole thing looks and sounds fantastic.

And it was good to see the classic sabers on screen again.

I'm sure I'l like this movie much better in future viewings when I can just sit back and enjoy the ride.

I loved this movie! I wish, tho, that I had spent more time working and less time on MF.com

The Good:
I think that everything that needed to be covered was covered and wrapped up. I didn't really have the euphoric feeling watching it like I've had previously but I attribute that to being too damn tired when watching it. I thought Hayden did a fine job of showing his descent to the Dark Side and Ewan was Obi-Wan. I thought they played well together and against each other the entire movie. Obi-Wan has actually become one of my favorite characters thanks to Ewan's acting. Yoda was much improved over AOTC and ceased being a puppet/CG character and became just a character. Ian stole the show, which I think everyone agrees with. That smile just is smarmy as hell. General Grievous looked fantastic, I thought. The close-ups of his eyes looked very real.

There were so many great scenes. The opening space battle will be unparallelled unless they update the Death Star battles in the OT. The duels were great, although I wish the Dooku one would've been longer. The Order 66/Jedi Temple attack sequence, and everything from that point on really, was premium! Anakin striking down the Younglings when earlier had been telling Padme how excited he was about their baby(ies) is heart-wretching. And then watching him kill the woman he has loved pretty much his entire life was quite shocking. The Obi-Wan/Anakin duel was probably the best duel of the entire series with the possible exception of ROTJ. Watching Anakin start on fire was more disturbing that I thought and hearing him scream at Obi-Wan that he hates him was very eerie.

I liked the way the creation of Vader/birth of the twins was presented. Franken-Vader didn't bother me a bit and it was cool watching them put his limbs back on. The mask coming down, the look on Anakin's face as it is applied, and the first breathes will be with me for a long time.

My favorite shots are Yoda doing the flip-decapitations on the troopers trying to kill him and Yoda throwing his saber thru a trooper, jumping on his chest, pulling the saber out, and cutting another trooper down. That was fucking great!

The Bad:
Padme brushing her hair on the balcony. 'nuff said.

The Ugly:
The clone troopers without helmets looked off. Did the ILM stuff get mixed in with the Lucasarts projects or what? Come on George, hire 5 guys and make the costumes.

Everybody has 'em so here's mine. I would gladly trade the dream sequences for the Qui-Gon scene and Yoda's arrival on Dagobah. Wasn't Obi-Wan supposed to kill Cody? One cut I'm happy with is when Anakin is killing Gunray and he says how they were supposed to be left in peace, Anakin was supposed to say something about 'in pieces.' I hated that line and I'm glad it was out.

Awesome flick, can't wait to see it again Saturday.

Well I saw it. I thought overall it was great. Surprised at how well some of the clunky dialogue was pulled off. The only scene the people laughed at dialogue wise was the "I'm so beautiful because you love me" exchange. And it seems they did their best to minimize the damage on that one. I was impressed overall by the acting, and think it is easily on par if not better than anything else in the entire saga. I actually wasn't disappointed with Sam Jackson either, especially considering I thought he would be terrible based on all of the clips I saw of him beforehand.

For those that think Anakin's turn was rushed...I can't help but think they either don't pay attention or they just don't understand what's obviously right in front of their face. Couldn't be more clear to me.

My biggest complaint is the music. Totally butchered IMO. A lot of scenes didn't even have music and I could be wrong but my initial impression is that the Ep 3 cd has more music on it than what is contained in the actual film! Lots of reused stuff from 1 and 2 tracked in there. It's probably the worst of the three in terms of the music overall.

I have a feeling the box office take is going to drop off quickly on this one. I could be wrong but I don't think there are going to be many repeat viewings. It's not something that I think I would want to watch over and over really, just because the whole thing is by nature a big downer. On the way walking out I heard a woman say "But they don't have to SHOW it...that's just so sad!" No idea what she was talking about (probably anakin burning or the dead kids) but I have a feeling the general public isn't going to flock to this type of movie after word starts spreading.

One thing I was a little confused about was the separatist slaughter. I don't think I saw any of them besides Nute Gunray get killed. And I thought I saw Wat Tambor at the end of the conference table when Anakin's eyes are yellow. Am I wrong? That scene was so fast I just couldn't tell who was getting killed and when.

Last star wars movie ever...it's been an incredible 7 or 8 years and I know my presence on boards like this will die off pretty quickly now. I hope I was able to provide whatever I could to the spoiler fun while it lasted.

" not if anything to say about it, i have" yoda confronting darth sidious that was the line of the movie. Classic yoda

I just saw it here in Spain a few hours ago. Who would have known that the Tantive IV actually DOES have a small hanger! Some redraw that "incredible cross-section".......ah, i guess that would be too much work. Anyway, I don't consider the prequels canon.

My favorite part for sure was the "Order 66" scene. It was really dramatic music, and some of the best editing of ANY star wars movie. But that scene only lasts a few minutes, and I wasn't a big fan of the rest of the movie.

Ewan did a good job acting, but I was looking for a more dramatic reaction to watching those security tapes...I thought the script said he was going to "collapse."

The complaint I've read about the clones faces being messed up is true. They pasted his (Morrison's) face on the CG clones, and it looks very unnatural. I don't why they just didn't film him with the armor on...but it seems the they are so damn stubburn when it comes to using CG for EVERYTHING.

I still get chills when I think of that Jedi Master Long Head (i don't know his name) leading his troops in a epic battle on a massive bridge...with great music and everything....and then trying to defend himself against Order 66. That specific scene lasted about 10 seconds, but it was really memorable.

Damnit if that little kid jedi at the temple (in the scene with the NYPD Blue guy) didn't put up one of the most convincing fights in the movie. I'm series, that little kid kicked some ass and looked convincing doing it before he got mowed down by CG clones.

Overall, the best of the prequels, but still not that great.

I really thought Lucas did a great job with the hammy 1930s serial feel with this one. From Grevious to FrankenVader to the crazy ass space battle, he really hit it out of the park. Even the wipes seemed a little goofier than normal, in a good way.

One of my favorite scenes was when Sidious was talking to Grevious via hologram, and--I don't recall the dialogue-- the scene just screamed 'We're the bad guys!'. I don't know if anyone knows what I'm talking about, but I just loved the feel of this one. AOTC had some moments like this, too--certainly the title, the first Dooku/Obi-wan confrontation, Padme's torn shirt, Obi spearing that crab thing, but this one was just great.

Thanks, George!

yeah what happened to the delegation of 2,000 plus there were other parts cut to i thought the dual was short way to short

It was simply wonderful.

Perfect 10/10. My girlfriend winced and gasped throughout and now wants to watch the OT. Cant believe Vader was crying after all he'd done (on the Mustafar bridge). Poor Anakin. Well done GL.

What I liked about that Mustafar crying shot was that you don't see that he is until the light hits his face a certain way. So while he initially looks like he is just pissed off, when his head slightly turns you see he is in fact in emotional turmoil over what he's doing. Pretty well done I think.

Holy fuck! I just saw the film, and though I am still running on that "new star wars film adrenaline" I can safely say this is definatly the best of the PT.

There were however a few flaws, as with every (star wars) film.

First off, General Grievous was way underused. He dies before the first half of the film. Pity, but considering all the things that had to be done in the movie ít'll grow on me.

Then there is the music. So they used music from Eps I and II. At first I thought this was really going to get to me, but somehow it didn't bug me as much as it did in EpII. The only scene I felt the use of EpII music was unnessicary was the part where Vader and the clone troopers entered the temple. New music should have been used for this. Also, I felt the imperial march was way underused, but considering the theme is lost for an entire Episode, this will also grow on me. Rest of the music was fine.

One last bad thing: the NOOOO at the end. It was the only unintentionally funny part of the movie for me. The rest of that scene was good, but the NOOO sounds childish. I would have preferred a scream.

Good points. The entire movie is pretty much one good point. Humor (I don't see why many of you say there is hardly any humor in there, because there is plenty), romance, action... RotS has got it all! CGI was FANTASTIC! I was like "holy FUCK" when the camera panned down on the space battle.

The movie is a bit fast paced yes, but it didn't really draw from the overall experience imo. In fact, unlike SWII, I actually want to see this movie again asap!

My favorite scene remains that of order 66. Beautifully underscored by Williams, actually made me tear. Too bad Aayla didn't talk, but it was nice to see her

Okay on the the saber shit. Dooku/Anakin/Obi-Wan was kind of shorter than I expected. Mace/Sids wasn't bad. Short, but not bad. Dialogue nothing of much concern here, unlike others have stated. Sids/Yoda was way too short, yet Williams made a FUCKING WONDERFUL COMBACK with dotf, exactly as I imagined! Fuck yeah!

The ultimate duel, Vader/Obi-Wan was a bit short though. Or everything went so fast 10 minutes were over before you know it. At any rate, it was over way too soon, but what we were shown was badass.

Great visuals, less corny scenes than AotC (romance!), fantastic music and lots of good action rank this Star Wars movie high in my favorite movie list. Is it better than Empire? Well, Empire and RotS are two completely fucking different movies. You can't really compair them, so I guess they kind of rank equally in my list.

Big 10 out of 10. Thank you Lucas!

OH BY THE WAY: dark? Yes it is the darkest of the 6, but scary for kids? I don't fucking think so! I thought I was gonna shit my pants when Vader fell into the lava sand, but it wasn't nearly as creepy as I expected. My 6 year old nephew can watch this anytime.

Just a couple of things. If shown in a digital theatre, is it any different/added scenes.....and where in the movie is George? I saw the Falcon it stuck out like dogs balls.

thanks!

Whats the general consensus on Grievous? I absolutely loved him....he may not have had the best lines, but easily the best "bad-guy" action in the film was this guy....he's was just lovably wussy and cocky!

GL is standing to the far left, as Anakin runs in to see Palps at that Concert thing....he's pretty obvious, he's standning next the big ol' obese twilek, which I also believe is his daughter?...

How could you NOT like this film? Jesus....

I didn't hate it....I just don't think it is the best movie ever. It was kind of like a pyschological thriller that wasn't pulled off that well.

I have problems with ANY movie with plot holes galore.

Grievous was cool. His voice sucked a little, but fortunatly he didn't say all too much. His animation was considerably better than I expected, and the way he (a cg character) interacted with a human actor (in this case ewan ofcourse) was stunning.

We got another taste of that later on in the Yoda/Palps battle, which was nothing less than a huge improvement over Dooku/Yoda in AotC.

Grievous was cool to look at, but completely pointless in the film.

I was just walking outside to cut the hedges when something hit me, and I need to know what people think about this.

It took at LEAST 12 years to figure this whole Sith thing out. There's a line from Spaceballs that goes something like this:

"Evil will triumph because good is really, really dumb".

It seems like there's not one Jedi who could have figured this whole thing out in 12 years. Not one.

The only complaint I have about the movie is with the Emperor, and specifically the arrest/Mace vs. Sidious scene. Firstly, Kit Fisto, Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar...holy fuck. When they get cut down, it's pretty disturbing. There was some majorly obvious stunt doublage for Palpatine, but I guess the fight was cool and all...a little too much staring and standing around. But here's my big beef: the Emperor sucked. I found him to be ridiculously goofy. He's so much cooler in ROTJ. Come on:"No! No! No! YOU WILL DIEEEE!"

The hell was that?

That part was okay imo... After reading all the reviews about it here I thought I was in for a weak scene. Turned out to be okay after all. No, the worst line was definatly the "nooo" by vader at the end. A wordless scream would have been more fitting I think...

ETand elliot....You have to be kidding. Palps was amazing, transforming believably before our eyes from TPM chancellor to ROTJ cackling personification of evil...

I thought he saved the prequels singlehandedly.

Good points.

I dug it. I can't really rank it it overall in the series yet though. Need at least a couple more viewings before I can do that.

Stuff I Liked:

The opening space battle, although I felt it could of been a bit longer.

The Anakin/Obi friendship in the first quarter of the film.

The scenes between Anakin and Padme. I thought they worked. The scenes accomplished what they needed to without being uncomfortable. I also felt for Padme as a character which I haven't really done in any of the previous films.

Palpatine ruled. Enough said.

I enjoyed Dooku's taunting of Anakin during the fight.

I thought Hayden was great overall. I bought Anakin's turn, I didn't feel it was rushed at all.


Stuff I Disliked:

I thought Anakin's attack on the Jedi Temple should of been expanded.

I would of liked a couple more lines out of vader in the suit but really thats just a nitpick and it didn't really effect my enjoyment of the film.

Qui Gon/Ghost explanation. It worked in the sense that it plugged up a plot hole but in many ways it felt "thrown in." Either the scene should of been expanded or it should of been set up better (a fault that lies more in Episodes 1 & 2). I didn't hate the scene I just felt it could of been done a bit better. Pretty much a nitpick on my part.


I'm still on sensory overload. So thats my intitial reaction. I may do a more in depth review after I've seen it again.

I saw the movie last night and can safely say that it is by far the best of the prequels. I still haven't decided if I like it better than any of the OT, but I should be able to decide after I see it again this weekend. And no offense to Tern, but how can anyone possibly think TPM is better than ROTS. IMO, ROTS is better than TPM is every single way. I am just glad that my expectations were finally met for one of the PT movies. I intentionally lowered them for the last 3 movies, but this was the only one that actually went well above and beyond my expectations.

Well, I wrote a long critique of the film, but I lost it.

Preliminary rating: 8.5/10
Preliminary Rank in series: #4

1. ESB
2. ANH
2. AOTC
4. ROTS
5. ROTJ
6. TPM

I need to see the movie again before I make a final judgement. The sound was unusually bad last night, and the seat was incredibly uncomfortable, distracting me from the movie. Also, some of my favorite lines from the screenplay were cut, slightly ruining the Opening Space Battle.

One last thing: Thank you Rob Coleman and company. Yoda was awesome.

I would like to make a kickass review but that would require effort

I'll be back with an in depth review later; but, I just wanted to say:

"POWER! UNLIMITED POWER!!" - Palpatine/Sidious

Rocks my socks off.

ps - I really, really liked it.

I saw ROTS this morning at the Cinerama here in Seattle. I thought that it was fantastic, and only wish that time constraints hadn't kept some of the fight scenes from being more involved.

Has anyone seen the digital version yet? Any treats in it?

saw it twice today.. and will be seeing it again tomorrow... love any star wars movie, bad or good...

that said...

i felt like every scene leading up to and after the obi/vader fight was hurried and chopped to pieces.. vader being built should have been longer.. anikans seduction scenes could have been longer.. and to talk about qui-gon living in the force and not hearing or seeing him didn't seem right...

still best of the prequels... tons of action, more so than any other star wars flick... at times it seemed like two star wars movies running together in fast motion..

OK... my two cents.

viv

I liked it, was very good overall.

Best to worst in my opinion...

Empire
RotS
RotJ
ANH
TPM
AOTC

I walked out of the theater last night thinking ROTS was the best of all 6 films.

Multiple DVD viewings not withstanding of course.

I read these gushing, heart-felt reviews about how great and emotional RotS is and I feel like I'm on some other fucking planet. I know a lot of the prequel lovers are younger - the same demographic that's grown up listening to musicians who can't read or write music, play an instrument, or sing without digital pitch correction and time alignment in Pro Tools, but jesus...

As a director, I'm happy to hear the experience of going to movies and loving it is alive and well, but I honestly feel like all you have to do next time you take a shit is not flush and you can get a bunch of people to pay $8 bucks to see it, buy a T-shirt and call it a masterpiece. And mean it! RotS was okay, but I don't think people realize how simple, how indescribably easy - child's play - it would've been to make it an order of magnitude better. The mistakes are so basic. They're so... simple... I don't... I just don't fucking get it. We're talking Day One technical stuff here, to say nothing of some of the most atrocious directing I've seen. Can't we all just agree that not only is he not a good director, but it's not actually that charmng, in the end? I don't get it.

I don't get it.

I....


I don't know what has happened that we are calling stuff like this brilliant. Is the bar that low? Really? Are people so utterly devoid of exposure to good storytelling that they can't see it? That they think this is as good as it gets?

I don't blame the movie goers... I really don't.

Oh well. Glad those who liked it liked it. McDiarmid can fucking ACT can't he? GodDAMN.

_Mike

Saw it twice today. Overall it was good, maybe not great. Was abolutely chilled when Anakin was called Vader for the first time, and when the helmet went on.

Seems that maybe Lucas should have gone a little balls out and made more of a LOTR length film out of this one. I would have paid and stayed if it was 4 hours, as long as it flowed well and made sense. Some very important moments were rushed. Some of the action scenes moved so quickly that it was actually hard to follow the lead characters through the clutter on the screen. That may have been the point. But GL is the multi-jizzillionaire & I work for a living.

Was surprised at how much I found myself enjoying the work of Jimmy Smits. Thought he was just in the way in AOTC, but delivered some of the better work in ROTS. Perhaps he just ended up with better dialogue. I think it is tough to criticize an actor/actress for bad delivery on a line like "Get them!" or similar. Also thought GL's son did a pretty fair job as Jett Zukassa in the cut-down the kid jedi bit. Better than the daughters anyway.

An earlier post mentioned the helmetless clones looking "off". I assumed this was done to make them look like Jango clones in different stages of aging. Some of this comes up in the books/EU stuff. Didn't bother me.

Nice review Jedi Strider.

I respect that you didnt like it, but honestly...do you have to be so insulting to everyone that did like it? Its almost as if you are saying "You people like this? Well obviously you have no taste".

I mean seriously....did you think that there's a possibility that maybe your expectations were too high? Or perhaps you are far to critical? I mean maybe you aren't....maybe it is shit, but to just make the kneejerk reaction of "Well clearly these people are too young to realize a *real* good movie when they see it" is pretty insulting.

I'm sorry you didn't like it...I truly am. And I truly do respect that you don't like it, but come on dude......I think you can express your disdain for it without slamming the majority that *is* liking it.

-V

Just watched it again, wow, so much good stuff... but it still just hasnt felt right yet.

I think the main thing is editing, it goes too fast and the music feels mutilated at parts.

example: THe declaration of the empire, Everything is great, the music the cuts to Vader, perfect, then we go to the scene where Obi discovers anikans turn, and th emusic just dies, and the emotion of the scenes are lost.

The music of the same song pics back up when Obiwan goes to Padme, but its just been gone for too long. The scenes inbetween feel like they where just choped there.

Not to personally challenge your views on the film or anything, but you didn't FEEL the emotion of the final duel. I pointed out my criticisms a few pages back, but I think I said it was the most emotional of the six. I really wish that people could've had the same same incredible emotion that I felt during the duel. It was all just so fucking tragic.

Maybe it was, as some critics suggested, nothing to do with the actual movie making and more to do with the fact that for many fans the duel came with prepackaged emotion, but I refuse to buy into that, particualarly since compared to some of the fans on this site, I'm not quite that hardcore.

I'm sure you know more about movie-making than me, and maybe my mind has been warped from my generation's shitty MTV culture, but I do think the movie was very good. The bar is lower. I admit it, but that has nothing to do with my enjoyment of this movie. It's not a masterpiece, it has flaws, it has some key scenes that (I thought) should've been much, much better, but I don't think you can relate my enjoyment (and others) to a collective bar lowering, shoddy cultural programming or whatever.

I don't mean any of this personally, but the reason I liked this movie was because of the emotion--I honestly wish that you didn't feel like you "were on some other fucking planet."

But, hey, to each his own.

I could break it down into molecule sized chunks and provide paint-by-numbers solutions on how to fix what's wrong, but what's the point? It'd be 8 pages long. I'll just make my own movies and leave it at that. And for the dude who doesn't get that I don't view people with disdain for liking the movie, read my post until you understand it. I've got better things to do than babysit your selective-reading, fragile, defensive ass.

I've never tried telling people why they shouldn't like something. This would be stupid; it's like telling a guy who's laughing hysterically that it isn't funny. And how could I possibly articulate to people how much better RotS would be if it had nothing more than a better sound mix, than the inexcusable abortion that's up there now? I could tell people I've been hired to re-mix half a dozen features and a 26 episode television series just to fix the exact problem that the RotS mix has, but then they'd devalue me or my work, or call me an ego case, or make some limitless number of excuses to minimize what I'm trying to say, and my experience, or something else. This is no fun for me.

Remember the scoop I gave you on Williams and the score, and told you why I wouldn't post it. I think my reasons have been more than well borne out by this point, and this'd be no different. But if you really want to know, PM me and I'll break it down as I see it.

Oh Mike just always acts like he has something up his butt. Don't let it bother you (for those who commented).

Edit: Mike what movies have you directed? I really want to know.

Yeah I have. I see mostly promotional type stuff not really any films. Just wondering if I am missing something.

Most of the marquee stuff isn't even on the website, for legal reasons, like all the shit I did for Harry Potter. But that doesn't mean anything to a guy like Bass...

For what it's worth Bass, I'll put my credentials up against yours anyday.

Acutally, fuck this... this is not about me. This is about the movie - no more hijacking. PM me.

My main problem with this movie was that it went rather fast but, there is SO much to tell in these prequels that you can't slow down. I think the reason for Anakin's turn was a VERY interesting twist but I just wished it was played out a little better and more convincing. With any "complaint" that I have with the prequels, there's always a positive flipside.

Anyhow, I thought the movie itself was amazing. A lot of the complaints that people are making about THIS movie aren't making sense. Now, when Vader screams "Noooo!", I expected it to be much louder and intense so I was kind of disappointed with that. The dialogue and the acting is MUCH better in this movie. How was the scene with Anakin burning?! That was just heart-wrenching and the imagery was disturbing even.

Another major complaint is the omittance of Mon Mothma with and the discussion of forming the rebellion, and Qui-Gon Jinn. I feel that with something like Yoda explaining to Obi-Wan that he has been communicating with Qui-Gon in the netherworld, you need to SHOW that. It's like saying you've discovered something but you don't have the research to back it up.

Anyway, I give the film a 9 out of 10 as well. The thing we have to remember is that with the original trilogy, we were either just small children are not even born yet. So of course the films were going to blow us away. These days it's much harder because we're older now and we want to bring too much reality into everything, including entertainment. I tell myself that if I wanted these films to be better; I could go to film school, learn how to write a script and make a movie. I'm just not going to do that. I don't want to do that. :-D So I can not complain about someone ELSE's story. I just appreciate the hard work that he put into the movie and for sharing it with us.

Sure that's cool. I'm also quite a bit younger than you, and I have absolutely zero interest in working in Hollywood. It was an honest question, however. You also don't know who I am so you really don't know what I am doing or what I have accomplished.

Mike, you make it about yourself when you go off saying you can do everything better. Practically every dig you make centers on how great you are at the same stuff.

BTW your dig at the types of people who like the prequels and the music thing is quite hilarious if you ask me. I was listening to Charlie Parker at age 5 and could never stand pop music etc. I'm as much of a music snob as anyone can possibly be but give me a break.

10th edit: Mike I'm not trying to make it personal or anything. You're cool and all. Plus you gotta respect someone who can make a living doing what they like. I just don't understand all the negativity. Perhaps it's because I'm not involved with movies that I can just sit back and enjoy Star Wars despite it's goofiness sometimes. I can't do the same with music. I'm the first one to rip on the scores for Ep 1-3. But I just don't think that movies are so freakin important that I have to writhe in anger over details that bug me.