No, I could totally get behind the idea of Hayden Christensen experiencing shards of glass and thumbtacks getting "everywhere".

ISOS are out. YEAH BABY!



Btw, might be sooner then I think. Already at 6% on all 3. All 3 combined going at about 600-700kb, so 120gb. Do the math.

How big are they? Are they filling out the BD50. LFL said they wanted to put the bits into the video, surprised to see three language versions on one disc (plus two commentary tracks). The Amazon descriptions have typically mentioned only one language per region/country.


Here's that LFL quote:

Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope 1977 1080p Blu-ray AVC DTS-HD MA 6 1-HDChina = 38.30 GB
Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back 1980 1080p Blu-ray AVC DTS-ES 6 1-HDChina = 40.15 GB
Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi 1983 1080p Blu-ray AVC DTS-HD MA 6 1-HDChina = 37.84 GB

So to state the obvious. Lucas is full of shit.

The languages are just for this region of disc. Don't expect the bit-rate on a US release thoe to increase any higher. And I say this because what usually happens on different region discs is the audio tracks are filled in and the disc is usually larger. Being that there are very few small tracks attached to this region. The US will not increase in size. Its always nice to see manufacture's NOT taking advantage of the full bluray size.

Indeed.


ANH: MPEG-4 AVC Video 33502 kbps - Total bitrate: 41,92 Mbps
TESB: MPEG-4 AVC Video 32330 kbps - Total bitrate: 42.86 Mbps
ROTJ: MPEG-4 AVC Video 30589 kbps - Total bitrate: 39.27 Mbps



Then in comparision (I just chose few first ISOs I saw):

Breakfast at Tiffany's 1961 50th Anniversary Edition 1080p Blu-ray AVC DTS-HD MA 5.1-HDRoad
MPEG-4 AVC Video 31883 kbps - Total Bitrate: 40.69 Mbps

John Tucker Must Die 2006 1080p CEE Blu-ray 2-in-1 AVC DTS-HD MA 5.1-HDCLUB
MPEG-4 AVC Video 29912 kbps - Total Bitrate: 45,81 Mbps

Coral Sea Dreaming: Awaken 2010 Blu-Ray 1080p AVC DTS-HD MA 5.1
MPEG-4 AVC Video 27998 kbps - Total Bitrate: 38.54 Mbps



So I can certainly see how they "wanted to put the bits into the video".

They put a certain amount into the bluray untill its deemed no improvement can be made. Costs I bet.

i'm going to show my dumbassity here but just how close are blurays to actually watching it in the theaters? Could a person take a bluray and a projector with a wall big enough and get as clear a picture as if you had gone to the theater yourself? or are we no where near that level of resolution yet?

Depends how good your eyesight/spectacles is/are I guess...

Well as I understand it BDs have 1080 lines of vertical resolution while 35mm film has about 4000-5000 lines of vertical resolution so you would probably see a difference were you to throw a Blu-ray up on a traditional movie theater screen. Most theaters that project digitally do so with projectors that display at 4000 lines of vertical resolution.

EDIT: Here's a breakdown of what I mean by vertical resolution, by the way:

PC Mag: Vertical Resolution Definition

well the digital cinema wiki says "Digital projectors capable of 2K resolution began deploying in 2005, and since 2006, the pace has accelerated (2K refers to images with 2,048 pixels of horizontal resolution)."

So a BD is roughly half the resolution that is on display at a digital theater. thanks for the though

What sucks is that the transfers were actually done at only 1080p (I've heard 2k, too) even though it was already common practice to transfer movies at 4k at the time.

It's just so sad that the people and the companies involved here are supposed to be the ones that everyone goes to for the BEST in exhibition and sound.

AOTC and ROTS were shot digitally using CineAlta camera. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CineAlta) Which is 24fps at 1920x1080. This is part of the reason why when the OT and TPM were scanned they were scanned to 2k resolution. (2048x1556)


You switched horizontal and vertical. Blu-Ray is the resolution at which AOTC and ROTS were shown in digital theaters.

Film (OT and TPM) when scanned can go higher. 2k, 4k, etc. These Blu-Rays are just below 2k. SW was shot on 35mm, so the 4k-6k range might be where a scan might not gain any more information. (yes SW did have a 70mm version but it was an upscale.)

If you'd like to see one frame at 4k resolution: http://www.starwarslegacy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33

For those who have seen and heard, what's the audio like? Does Empire still have those alternate dialogue takes used since 1997 ("you were lucky to get out of there", muppet-sounding stormtrooper that shoots 3PO, etc.)? Does Luke's saber in the freeze chamber still make the Jedi ignition sound? Does Chewie's rifle still sound like an AT-AT? Does dialogue in Star Wars still sound garbled and fucked up?

The soundtracks were reassembled and are now allegedly closer to how they originally sounded, whatever that means.

Yes same old same old. ANH dialogue sounds a little better, but the mix is still uneven, buring dialogue or music at key moments. It's essentially all the same, which has led some to speculate that instead of the "complete forensic" reconstruction Matt Wood claims he did, they actually based a great deal of the work off the existing DVD mix, down to "replicating" such screw-ups as laser shots coming from reversed channels.

So in essence, the accusation is that Lucasfilm only fixed the one or two key audio bits that they showcased to the press, and cut and pasted the rest from the existing messed up material. But I don't believe it for a second; that sounds nothing at all like what the rest of this set is like.


For another thought I wanted to express -

The thing about the old scans of the OT- I think it's become really clear that the limited dynamic range presented in the DVDs and the BRs is actually all that is in the 10 year old scans. Resolution aside, the exact same cut-off in detail and compression of the dynamic range of the video suggests to me that the only way to get any improvement at this point is for LFL to go back to the negs and rescan on something better than a consumer-grade flatbed scanner.

Unitl we see that advertised ("all new HD scan, as 4k scanning technology just wasn't available in 2011 or 2006 or 2004"), I suspect that there is no reason to expect any version of these films to look any better than they do in currently available releases.

What amazes me is that, if you go over to OT.com and look at the thread for the 70mm transfer of ESB, even in the uncorrected samples from consumer-level equipment there is a huge amount of detail and subtlety which isn't present in the official scans. Well, that amazes me and the fact that the damn the OUT has better detail in the highlight and shadow regions.

Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope 1977 1080p BluRay DTS x264-DON.mkv 16.35 GB is now available.

Interesting the rip I just saw had a jacket JPG. It's just the OT box set, not the full saga that seems to be the source of all the current leaks. I thought I'd read someone on Bluiray.com was watching TPM. Wonder what's holding up that set?

If anyone gets this release - the AUDIO 2 and perhaps even AUDIO 3 commentary tracks are "needed" in mp3 format