Guess he wanted the focus to be on Yoda.

And that blue-dressed Jedi chick. (Can´t remember her name.) She doesn´make it out alive, though.

She´s either Barris Offee or Luminara Unduli, the two blue-dressed Jedi from the Ilum-conflict in the CW cartoon. They were also in the background in the Chancellor´s office and in the Geonosis Arena in AOTC.

EDIT: Aayla´s on Felucia, not Kashyyyk.

That´s where the EU is a bit fun for me, when you find out certain Jedi did make it out alive. They just lost hope, went into hiding and stopped being Jedi. And it doesn´t conflict with the movies either, since Obi-Wan said he was once a Jedi Knight, implying he no longer held that status. (Not that anyone would admit to being it in Imperial presence anyway )

Hell, even that failed-Padawan-turned-bounty hunter Aurra Sing (pod-race viewer from TPM) lives to work in the OT.

Yeah, either she would become one of the Emperor´s Dark Side-agents or she´d be killed. I guess she chose door nr. 3 and kept a low profile.

Must be a hobby among Jedi-Killers.

What I'm asking myself for quite some time now, did Vader ever figure out that the whole galactic conflict was a Palpious scam and that it is not Anakin who's to blame for the death of Padme and the downfall of the Jedi, but Palpious, who after all seduced Anakin? And if yes, did he ever try to resist and destroy his master after his own downfall? Or did he have to wait for his adult son to help him overthrow Palpious after being reduced to a cyborg (lost limbs = lower midichlorian count)?

And no, I'm not a TFN user, I found MF through the Virtual Edition board (a quality forum IMO) a long time ago.

Hello there!

Of course Anakin made the wrong decisions where, in juxtapostion, Luke made the right ones (that wasn't my point).



That's my question exactly!

In fact he burned every bridge to his life as Anakin, but why
"I must obey my master" ?

To clarify, I don't want to discuss potential plot holes or nitpick or anything, I want to discuss Vader's psychology and the inner workings of his relationship to his master.

Yeah OK. I never dug deeper into Vader's potential "force-healing" abilities (pressure chamber in his SD and all) and i am absolutely not into EU (I've read the Zahn trilogy but that's it).

I really love the fact that many scenes of the OT will be much deeper and will have a much bigger impact after watching ROTS, especially the Sith "rule of two" and the parallels between Anakin and Luke...

Distractors and sheep can bitch and moan all they want; I think the PT and especially ROTS will be an essential enrichment of the saga.

And as far as holochrons are concerned: who needs them (as mentioned above, EU sucks for the most part)?

Save any holochron/crystal stuff for this:

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/tomatoe ... alRoom.jpg

Holocrons are some of the more neat parts of the EU, they´re just holographic memorybanks with a mystical air about them. You should see their photos in the AOTC VD, they really look well-made, two of shining crystal (Jedi Holocrons) and one with black sides and dull, brown edges (a Sith Holocron, very rare).

Okay, forgive me for being in the dark on this one -- oh, and also forgive me for being "new." Been a lurker for awhile, posted a few times, nothing much. I promise I'm well-behaved and not an ass.

That said, the "Mustafar massacre" and "disguise scene" are both new to me. Do we have any information about them, other than they are 'controversial'?

Cheers.

I agree with you Big Lou, it has to be some part of the force that keeps Vader from outright killing Palps. Maybe its the Emperor's will that does it.

It also could be that since he is the dark master of the force, that could be one of things that go along with the power of the dark side. You know, power over others or some sort of thing like that.

Okay...Vader kills palpatine. Then what? Everyone else in the galaxy just accepts him as the new emperor? You don't think Palpatine dying won't throw the galaxy back into civil war?

No, its more like: Vader kills Palpatine & he seduces Luke to the dark side. He has him become his new apprentice. Did you watch ESB?

"Luke, join me & together we will end this destructive conflict & rule the galaxy as father & son!"

I think Vader had what it takes to become the new emperor. It could be just that simple, kill Palps & saying "I'm in charge now, you gotta problem wit dat?"

I don't think he was serious about that. But then again, what do I know.

Interesting report. I wonder how much of that dialogue will actually make it into the film, though. A lot of it sounds like EU page-filler material(holocrons, Vader "The Greatest Sith"...). Lines like these don't really give any more depth to the story of Anakin's fall or Obiwan's reaction to it. All we really have to see in the movie is the holorecording of Anakin bowing to Sidious without any dialogue whatsoever for us as an audience to feel Obiwan's reaction. If they mention holocrons, then I'll pity Lucas for ruining a great scene with unneeded dialogue.

I can't believe some of you still believe Pablo and McCallum. Have you not been around for TPM and AOTC spoilers? Anything they say can change five seconds after they say it and most of the time they say things to mess with our heads and throw us off. I learned the hard way by believing them for the last time before AOTC. I embarrassed myself by telling all my friends the cool things I read McCallum say and then finding out nothing he said was true or even in the movie.

It's pointless to determine the truth from anything answered by McCallum or Pablo. I'm sorry, but I just can never trust them again.

I'm sure they're good people. They just aren't truthful all the time.

So, there's a good chance holocron will make it into the movie and a good chance that dialogue is a complete lie.

Just some things I've learned from reading spoiler reports.

Man, I sound bitter...

Why couldnt he be serious? If the Plageuis story turns out to be in the movie arent we supposed to take that as cannon? Now in that story the apprentice kills his master after learning the power of avoiding or stopping death. If so, then we see a pattern of Sith not only plotting against the galaxy they want to rule, but also against eachother.

Their "lying" to us is like foreplay before sex - it gets you all worked up before the climax of it all - which is May 19th

Remember when he told us Dooku was pronounced Doh-koo and then in AOTC it was Doo-koo?

That's two lies. For someone there during the filming of AOTC, I find it hard to believe they changed the pronunciation a month before the film reached theatres.

I don't hate the guy, I just will never believe him, and I'm sure it's more he's messing with us or he's just forgetful, like during the interview on the out-takes for AOTC. "I'm sorry, what was the question again?"

My point was serious, and it was basically this. Vader can't kill palpatine "outright". to do so would be stupid. He needs Luke, he needs to solidify his position, etc...right after ROTS, he's in no shape in anyway to kill Palps outright. There is nothing to be gained and alot to be lost. Once Luke comes around, the galaxy is more stable (used to the idea of a dictatorship (if one can have such a thing)) and will more "willingly" follow Vader.

I don't think there's anything about the force that is connecting Palps and Vader. I think he dies in ROTJ because the lightning fucks him up. He's mechanical/electrical. Force lightening fucked his mechanical ass all up.

As for Pablo and Rick...I'd take what they say to the bank. Dick us around, sure. But lie? no.

As for this scene...perhaps the need to secure the jedi archives also has something to do with Sifo-dyas. Just a random thought.

I do think Vader's line "I must obey my master" has something to do with him giving himself over to the dark side of the force.. I refer to the line "You mean (the force) controls your actions?", "Partially, but it also obeys your commands".. I think that once you give yourself over to it, the dark side to an extent controls you, and in this case that was making Anakin do Palpatine's will.. Not in a mind-control kind of way, but in a much more ambiguous way.. his whole soul was corrupted, and he had allowed to dark side so deep inside himself that it was dictating his actions somewhat.. if that makes sense. I also refer to the whole concept of Luke becoming Palpatine's servant if he kills Vader out of hate.. well, why would his hate for the Sith make him inclined to become one after he kills Vader? It doesn't make much sense.. unless you look at it in terms of him giving himself to the dark side and then becoming subject to its whims.. again, to an extent.. I don't meant that the characters are being mind controlled.. they're just being led by the will of the force, or something like that.. they CAN reject it, and they are in control of their own actions, but it takes massive will power, and that takes a huge motivator.. like, say, watching your son get electrocuted before your eyes. That was Vader's last straw.

I think so...


As far as I remember, one of the "major" plot points in the movie novelization that wasn't in the film was the attempted destruction of Endor via Death Star, Yavin style; but I don't remember any Vader breathing problems prior Siodious' force lightning attack. EU I guess!?

The last report "do what must be done" appears to take place after the massacre in the Temple.

I'd like to know if Anakin bow before Palpatine and becomes Vader at this moment or does he become Vader before the massacre (just after killing Mace) ?

Roughly:

Scene 99 - Mace dies
Scene 100 onwards - Obi on Utapau/Yoda on Kashyyyk/Ani pledges his alliegance to the Sith and is named Darth Vader/Order 66 given/Montage of clones turning across the galaxy (appoximate order of events)
Scene 110 (approx) - The raid on the temple begins
Scene 111 - Shaak Ti murdered in her quarters
Scene 112/113 - Bail sees a pillar of smoke rising from the Jedi temple and lands to investigate. He sees a Padawan gunned down by a Trooper and rushes to contact Yoda...
Scene 116 - Ani's last meeting with Padmé before he heads off to Mustafar.
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This report, I'm guessing, takes place at approximately scene 130 (give or take a few - the Senate scenes have been moved, if I recall correctly).
But, yeah - the footage that Obi and Yoda view is from after the raid.
Vader and Palps' exchange would have fallen around scene 114/115, I expect - while Bail is rushing to collect Yoda and Obi in the Tantive...